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User currently offlineUal747-600 From United States of America, joined Sep 1999, 577 posts, RR: 0
Posted (13 years 9 months 1 week 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 2849 times:

This order is finally placed. Others to follow soon I'm sure.

UAL747-600

From Bloomberg:

Boeing Wins $2 Bln, Air France Order for 10 Boeing 777-300s
By Andrea Rothman

Paris, Oct. 4 (Bloomberg) -- Boeing Co. won an order from Air France worth about $2 billion for 10 longer range 777-300 passenger jets. The airline also took options for 10 more of the new planes.

The order was announced in a statement put out by Boeing's German public relations agency, Grossbongardt Kommunikation. A spokesman at Grossbongardt confirmed that the announcement came from Boeing.

The standard 777 versions list for as much as $192.5 million. A list price for the longer-range versions wasn't immediately available.

In February, Boeing's board approved production of the new 777s, which will let airlines carry as many as 360 people on trans- Pacific routes deep into Asia. Executives said in March that the company already had at least 30 orders for the aircraft when it was launched. It's not clear whether the orders announced today are part of those original 30 whose customers weren't specified.

An Air France spokeswoman confirmed that Air France had placed the order. She said she had no further information.


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User currently offlineVarig md-11 From France, joined Jul 2000, 1583 posts, RR: 8
Reply 1, posted (13 years 9 months 1 week 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 2593 times:

hi
so where are the guys who swear euro airlines are paid to buy 'buses???? oh maybe AF is an american airlines!  



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User currently offlineAF-A319 From France, joined Oct 1999, 603 posts, RR: 4
Reply 2, posted (13 years 9 months 1 week 5 days ago) and read 2568 times:

Hello

I have searched, but I havn't found this press release. Are you sure of your source ?


User currently offlineLHMark From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 7255 posts, RR: 47
Reply 3, posted (13 years 9 months 1 week 5 days ago) and read 2529 times:

If this is true, wouldn't that make AF the first non-Asian carrier to operate the -300?


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User currently offlineDeltaAir From United States of America, joined May 1999, 1094 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (13 years 9 months 1 week 5 days ago) and read 2533 times:

(Bloomberg) Boeing Co. said it won an order from Air France worth about $2 billion for 10 longer range 777-300 passenger jets. The airline also took options for 10 more of the new planes.

The new 777s, approved for construction by Boeing's board in February, can carry as many as 360 people on trans-Pacific routes deep into Asia. Boeing said then it had at least 30 orders for the plane, without naming the customers. It's not clear whether the Air France order is part of those original 30.

``It's good news for Boeing,'' said Paul Nisbet, an analyst at JSA Research in Newport, Rhode Island. ``There seems to be emerging a preference for the long-range 777 over Airbus's competing long-range A340-500.''

Airbus began offering the long-range A340-500 for sale in late 1997, while Boeing only started with the long-range 777 this year. The Airbus model will go into service by 2002 while Boeing's two new 777 models will enter service in September 2003.

The standard 777 versions list for as much as $192.5 million. A list price for the longer-range versions wasn't immediately available.

An Air France spokeswoman confirmed that Air France had placed the order. She said she had no further information.

Boeing said in a statement released in Germany that the 777- 300 long-range model ordered by Air France seats 348 passengers, giving the plane room for 78 more seats and 50 percent more freight capacity than the 777-200ER -- or extended range -- version.

The plane is powered by GE90 engines from General Electric Co. No other engine is available for the aircraft..

Boeing also said that with this latest purchase, it has received firm orders this year for 487 planes, already far surpassing the 390 received for all of last year. It has received orders this year so far for 62 of various versions of the 777.


User currently offlineUal747-600 From United States of America, joined Sep 1999, 577 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (13 years 9 months 1 week 5 days ago) and read 2514 times:

Check the Bloomberg site. Search BA and then click on news.

UAL747-600


User currently offlineMEL From Canada, joined Oct 1999, 1098 posts, RR: 13
Reply 6, posted (13 years 9 months 1 week 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 2491 times:

Emirates operates the 777-300 as a non-Asian company.


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User currently offlineAF-A319 From France, joined Oct 1999, 603 posts, RR: 4
Reply 7, posted (13 years 9 months 1 week 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 2488 times:

Hi

Thanks UAL747-600 for this piece of information. I would like to just say one thing : this major order proves that Air France is fully independant, and that this company acts for its customers and share holders.
I look forward to flying in Air France's future fleet :

-A318/A319/A320/A321
-A330-200/A340-300
-A3XX

-B747-400F
-B777-200ER/B777-300ER


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User currently offlineWorldTraveller From Germany, joined Jun 1999, 624 posts, RR: 5
Reply 8, posted (13 years 9 months 1 week 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 2466 times:

Well, now it's official what everyone suspected.

I really look forward on flying with one of these AF birds.
Does anyone knows on what routes AF will put the B777-300ER? I guess they'll replace the B747-200 at AF.

I strongly question this statement, however:
"There seems to be emerging a preference for the long-range 777 over Airbus's competing long-range A340-500.''

With carriers like Air Canada, Swissair, Singapore Airlines, Lufthansa, Emirates, the A340-500/600 won pretty important carriers, don't you think?

Regards
the WorldTraveller


User currently offlineAF-A319 From France, joined Oct 1999, 603 posts, RR: 4
Reply 9, posted (13 years 9 months 1 week 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 2440 times:

Hello

I guess that the 777-300ERs will replace the 747-400s. These 744 will replace the 742s and 743s on the flights to the leisure markets (French West Indies and Indian Ocean).
I think that ATL, JFK, NRT, SIN, HKG, LAX could be the first routes flown by the 773s.


User currently offlineWorldTraveller From Germany, joined Jun 1999, 624 posts, RR: 5
Reply 10, posted (13 years 9 months 1 week 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 2439 times:

Will AF get the B777-300ER first, I mean before JAL or EVA Air?

Regards
the WorldTraveller


User currently offlineKaitak From Ireland, joined Aug 1999, 12395 posts, RR: 37
Reply 11, posted (13 years 9 months 1 week 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 2396 times:

I assume EVA and JAL will be the first operators of the -300ER. I would dispute whether AF would replace its 744s with 773s; there are still more than a few older 747s in great need of being put out to grass and I would see more 773s being required as well. The 744s should be with the AF fleet for a good many years to come.

On another front, AF is to begin a nonstop 772 service to Santiago de Chile, which will be a 14h20 stretch outbound.

Finally, I'm wondering if this is the first of a number of upcoming 773/777LR orders. Following Rod Eddington's announcement, I'm expecting BA to order the type (although I'm wondering if they'll want extended range 773s with RR engines, rather than the GE powered aircraft). Also, I expect KLM to go for the 777LR and 773ER, to replace its 743s and M11s.


User currently offlineWorldTraveller From Germany, joined Jun 1999, 624 posts, RR: 5
Reply 12, posted (13 years 9 months 1 week 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 2380 times:

Kaitak, what do you mean with "following Rod Eddington's announcement"? Did he say something in favor of the B773 recently?

I think BA's decision is a tricky one, they might not need the capacity of the B773 at all. Remember they are replacing B747's with the B772 and some B744's probably with the A3XX in the future.

KLM is a good bet I think, would match perfectly for this airline.
I also think Korean Air, Cathay, Malaysian could opt for the B773ER.

The Qantas decision will largely depend on their VLA decision. I heard their pilots favor 4-engined aircraft for transpacific operations, however.

Well, we'll see.

Regards
the WorldTraveller


User currently offlineF4N From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (13 years 9 months 1 week 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 2367 times:


WorldTraveller: I take it from the article that the reference to "an emerging preference for the long range 777's over the competing A/B models" reflects the number of 777's ordered since the ER/LR program was launched in comparison to the number of orders announced for the A345/6 during the same time frame. I'm not sure that this means anything, either.

Best regards,

F4N


User currently offlineWorldTraveller From Germany, joined Jun 1999, 624 posts, RR: 5
Reply 14, posted (13 years 9 months 1 week 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 2354 times:

F4N, a little off topic, but where do you go fishing...Finger Lakes?

I visited a friend in NY state recently and we took a trip from Syracuse. I found NY to be a very beatiful place in winter.

Anyway...

Regards
the WorldTraveller


User currently offlineNavion From United States of America, joined May 1999, 1010 posts, RR: 1
Reply 15, posted (13 years 9 months 1 week 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 2364 times:

I read an interesting article on the newswire today regarding this Air France 777-300LR order. They said since the 777X program was launched in February, there have been quite a few 777LR orders and letters of intent, but more importantly, no A345/6 orders. Kind of interesting huh?!! I hadn't really thought about it.

User currently offlineWorldTraveller From Germany, joined Jun 1999, 624 posts, RR: 5
Reply 16, posted (13 years 9 months 1 week 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 2356 times:

That's right Navion.

But I think the problem for Boeing is that they've already lost some important customers to the A340-500/600 (SQ, Emirates, Virgin, Air Canada).

The same might be the case with the A3XX/B747X, I mean if Boeing chooses to bring the B747X freighter out first (has been rumored).

Regards
the WorldTraveller


User currently offlineF4N From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 17, posted (13 years 9 months 1 week 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 2301 times:

WorldTraveller: It will be interesting to see what, if anything, SQ does with the A345's they have on order considering the ongoing phase-out of their A343 fleet and the continuing additions to the 777 fleet.

I strongly suspect that Boeing will launch the 747XF first. It appears from various discussions over at the orders group that there is strong interest in that variant. I still have to believe that the 747X (not necessarily the stretch) will be of use in overseas routes for some carriers. Not every route can justify A3XX(I wish Airbus would give it a designation).

Insofar as your fishing question is concerned, I usually fish in Lake Erie and Lake Ontario, as both are within an hour of my home. Also, as an ex-sailor of US flag, Great Lakes ore freighters, I like seeing them out there will dropping a line. I usually fish the Finger Lakes and Onieda Lake near Syracuse during the winter. Public access to these areas is limited because of extensive lakefront property ownership, so walking out on the ice is easier(sorry about getting this far OT).

Best regards,

F4N


User currently offlineWorldTraveller From Germany, joined Jun 1999, 624 posts, RR: 5
Reply 18, posted (13 years 9 months 1 week 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 2282 times:

Thanks for the info F4N!  

I strongly believe the B747X will have its orders, mainly the proposed B747-400X though. I believe the A3XX (you're right, this thing is in bad need of a real name) is just too large for carriers like Alitalia, Air India, South African, Air New Zealand etc. I also think the A3XX has only a very slim chance in Japan, since all carriers there are pretty loyal Boeing customers. ANA might go for the A3XX, if they want to "top" JAL.

Regards
the WorldTraveller


User currently offlineMegatop747-412 From New Zealand, joined Sep 2000, 261 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (13 years 9 months 1 week 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 2278 times:

AF-A319:
I believe you may have already found the source regarding this order... Anyway, here's a link from CNET reporting the news too (which was quoted from Bloomberg) : http://www.cnetinvestor.com/newsitem-bloomberg.asp?symbol=103896900&Ticker=BA

F4N:
Re SQ's deployment of the A345s and phasing out of A343s, well, SQ's long-standing "stance" has been that they prefer 4 engines to fly ultra long-haul than 2 engines, for reason than when 1 engine fails, you'll lose only approx 25% power on a 4 engine compared to 50% on a 2 engine (this of course is only assuming you don't adjust the thrust up of all remaining engines etc...) Hence, they opted for the A345s in 1997/8 over the then-proposed 777Xs... As I know, they'll plan to introduce the A345s on non-stop SIN-SFO/LAX routes, and then perhaps in 2006 supplement them with A3xx with a stop either via TPE or NRT. As for the decision to phase out A343s in favour on 772ERs, I'm no too sure about this now - could want to use it for their thinner European long-haul routes - but this could represent a change in mindset about their opinion on 2 engines on long hauls as mentioned earlier. What I do suspect tho, another reason why SQ is not sticking with the 777LRs, could be engine choice. SQ has been a long-time user of only PW engines for all their plane, and until recently when they took the A343s they were "forced" to use CFM and now with their B772s it's RRs. I believe they could be reluctant to introduce yet another type on engine in the GE90 with the 777LRs. At least with phasing out of A343s with 777ERs and acquiring the A345s, they're getting rid of the CFM engines althogether (remember A345s were powered by RRs exclusively too). So, my opinion is that the A345s order could still stay and you'll guys could be seeing them in LAx/SFO come 2002... And perhaps by 2006, you'll maybe only fir Airbuses to LAX/SFO once they started their A3xx... Could be sad for Boeing then, do you think??




User currently offlineLH423 From Canada, joined exactly 15 years ago today! , 6501 posts, RR: 54
Reply 20, posted (13 years 9 months 1 week 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 2260 times:

MEL, despite being classified as a "Middle East" airline, it is technically on the Asian continent, therefore LHMark is right in his claim as Air France being the first non-Asian carrier of the 777-300.

This is great news for Air France and Boeing.

LH423



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User currently offlineFly-By-Pilot From United States of America, joined Sep 2000, 209 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (13 years 9 months 1 week 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 2257 times:

Pretty sweet!!

Like I said before the 777 is too good to pass up.


User currently offlineUSAFHummer From United States of America, joined May 2000, 10685 posts, RR: 53
Reply 22, posted (13 years 9 months 1 week 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 2204 times:

Comment about whoever said that

"Emirates operates the 777-300 as a non-Asian company"

Emirates is based out of Dubai-tell me, if Dubai is not in Asia, then what continent is it on?

G.R.





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User currently offlineUSAFHummer From United States of America, joined May 2000, 10685 posts, RR: 53
Reply 23, posted (13 years 9 months 1 week 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 2198 times:

The only Middle Eastern country in Europe is Turkey, and even in that case, only a fraction of the country (the part west of the Bosporus Strait e.g. Istanbul) is technically in Europe, the vast majority is in Asia-This message was designed to prevent future errors or disagreements.

G.R.



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User currently offlineRayChuang From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 7965 posts, RR: 5
Reply 24, posted (13 years 9 months 1 week 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 2191 times:

I'm not surprised that AF is ordering the 777-300 "Longer Range."

People forget that SNECMA is a major subcontractor to GE, and in fact builds many of the components for the GE90 engine. Besides, AF -loves- the 777, because it has very long range and more space for premium seating in First and Business Class.

My guess is that AF will primarily use the 777-300 LR on their routes to Asia, with the exception of HKG, NRT and a few other east Asian cities, which will be served by the A3XX-100 when that becomes available in the spring of 2006.

As for SQ's A345's, I have my doubts they'll use them for non-stop SIN-SFO/LAX flights. After all, their non-stop flights from HKG and TPE to SFO/LAX are some of THE most popular flights on SQ's network.


25 TEDSKI : I believe the reason for Air France ordering the GE90 powered 777-300ERs is because they didn't want the RR Trent 500 series engine on the A340-500/60
26 Navion : Tedski, is that true? Does Air France have a disinclination to order Rolls-Royce? That's interesting if so.
27 Sammyk : Well, although I don't think AF ordered the 777 based soley on the engine choice as Tedski mentioned, they do have a preference for GE, and it probabl
28 TEDSKI : Hi Sammy, that is why I question whether other airlines with large RR or P&W powered fleets will go for the GE90 777X models. I think it is best to st
29 Sammyk : Tedski, if that is the case, how do you explain JAL and ANA purchasing the 777X when their current 777 fleet is Pratt powered? If the airline can make
30 Joni : I read that article too, and was a bit puzzled since there have been some A346 sales since Feb, to ILFC and China Eastern if memory serves me well, f
31 TEDSKI : Hi Sammy, ANA is a large GE customer with all of it's 747s & 767s powered by GE CF6s. I was surprised they went for the P&W 4090 on their first batch
32 Mason : Nice. Any chance SEA will see any?
33 LH423 : Not long after seeing this thread last night it was on CNBC. CNBC newscaster:"The Boeing 777 is a large, wide-body jet carrying 340 passengers, and ha
34 Fly-By-Pilot : Engines dont sell planes.
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