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Harmony Airways To Australia & Fiji  
User currently offlineDYK From Canada, joined Jul 2004, 407 posts, RR: 0
Posted (8 years 2 months 1 week 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 3945 times:

press release to today from MOT regarding Harmony Airways to Aistralia and Fiji. I did not realize the Aus-Can Bi Laterall allowed such a service?

http://www.tc.gc.ca/mediaroom/releases/nat/2006/06-h107e.htm


AC,CP,PW,WD,ND,UA,AA,NW,CO,DL,WA,AS,QX,PR,SQ,AI,TG,MH,JL,9W,IC,UL,PG,BW,NZ,QF,DJ,BA,LH,KL,OA,OS,ME,RJ,HA,AQ
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User currently offlineMotorHussy From New Zealand, joined Mar 2000, 3285 posts, RR: 9
Reply 1, posted (8 years 2 months 1 week 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 3931 times:

Well Canada 3000 used to fly the same sorts of routes.

But reading through the press release, it mentions codeshares with HA and FJ. Do they have any of their own metal?



come visit the south pacific
User currently offlineCXA330300 From South Africa, joined May 2004, 1567 posts, RR: 2
Reply 2, posted (8 years 2 months 1 week 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 3909 times:

Is there a Canada-Fiji market?


The sky is the limit as long as you can stay there
User currently offlineMotorHussy From New Zealand, joined Mar 2000, 3285 posts, RR: 9
Reply 3, posted (8 years 2 months 1 week 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 3880 times:

Quoting CXA330300 (Reply 2):
Is there a Canada-Fiji market?

Definitely. FJ have been flying NAN-HNL-YVR for years with a 737-700.



FJ routemap as at 19 Sept 06.

This gives Canadian travellers the ability to visit Australia and/or New Zealand with the bonus of beautiful tropical Fiji as well (and vice versa for Kiwis and Ockers). Plus, there are those that are wanting just idyllic Fiji.


Regards
MH

[Edited 2006-09-19 00:26:31]


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User currently offlineJupiter2 From Australia, joined Jan 2001, 909 posts, RR: 1
Reply 4, posted (8 years 2 months 1 week 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 3812 times:

Damn code shares with FJ and HA !!!

Ban code shares !!!

If you can't fly the route with your own aircraft you shouldn't be allowed to have your code on someone elses flight as well.

RL


User currently offlineHa763 From United States of America, joined Jan 2003, 3666 posts, RR: 5
Reply 5, posted (8 years 2 months 1 week 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 3783 times:
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Quoting MotorHussy (Reply 1):
But reading through the press release, it mentions codeshares with HA and FJ. Do they have any of their own metal?

Harmony has 4 757-200s. They also fly to Hawaii almost daily, so they are going to be connecting pax to HA's SYD flight.

Quoting MotorHussy (Reply 3):
FJ have been flying NAN-HNL-YVR for years with a 737-700.

It's actually a 737-800. The 737-700 is used on the HNL-CXI route.


User currently offlineMotorHussy From New Zealand, joined Mar 2000, 3285 posts, RR: 9
Reply 6, posted (8 years 2 months 1 week 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 3745 times:

Quoting Ha763 (Reply 5):
It's actually a 737-800. The 737-700 is used on the HNL-CXI route.

Thanks, did used to be the 737-700 on the YVR route though.

How's that NAN-CXI-HNL route going, any idea? Does anyone fly to TRW, TNV and/or CIS as well? They used to have Air Tungaru (RT), is there anything else that's replaced it?

Regards
MH



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User currently offlineHKGKaiTak From Australia, joined Jun 2005, 1050 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (8 years 2 months 1 week 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 3745 times:

Actually if would love to see Harmony fly here on their own metal ... we don't see any 757s here ...

I didn't know FJ flies to YVR with 737s, hmmm makes it possible to do trans-Pacific from Oz on a 737!!! (And we thought 763s with AC was bad enough)

YVR-NAN-SYD is a great leisure route when you think about it.

Quoting Jupiter2 (Reply 4):
Ban code shares !!!

If you can't fly the route with your own aircraft you shouldn't be allowed to have your code on someone elses flight as well.

 rotfl  I like that ... the flaw with this logic is that there would be far-less point-to-point routes if there were no code-shares



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User currently offlineDYK From Canada, joined Jul 2004, 407 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (8 years 2 months 1 week 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 3725 times:

Quoting CXA330300 (Reply 2):
Is there a Canada-Fiji market?

There is a large Fijian community in Vancovuer plus it is a easy conection to BA for flights to LHR



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User currently offlineSwissy From Switzerland, joined Jan 2005, 1734 posts, RR: 4
Reply 9, posted (8 years 2 months 1 week 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 3681 times:

Quoting CXA330300 (Reply 2):
Is there a Canada-Fiji market?

Yes there is but it will not fill a 747......  Wink

Quoting HKGKaiTak (Reply 7):
Actually if would love to see Harmony fly here on their own metal ... we don't see any 757s here ...

Yes agree, I would not mind taking a 57 YVR-HNL-AKL with Harmony since they have quite a nice program going.

All power to code share... it made the world smaller and more affordable. Big grin

Cheers,


User currently offlineETA Unknown From Comoros, joined Jun 2001, 2088 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (8 years 2 months 1 week 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 3670 times:

A significant Fijian Indian population lives in Vancouver- they started to arrive after the mid 80's coup. Canadian DC-10's used to sometimes include an extra NAN stop on the AKL & SYD routes.

FJ still does serve Tarawa- I think the route map above is not up to date.

CXI- this operation is paid for by the Kiribati Govt to ensure cargo links with HNL.


User currently offlinePITrules From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 3236 posts, RR: 6
Reply 11, posted (8 years 2 months 1 week 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 3632 times:

Quoting Jupiter2 (Reply 4):
If you can't fly the route with your own aircraft you shouldn't be allowed to have your code on someone elses flight as well.

I wouldn't go that far, but there should definately be a ban on misleading headlines such as:

"DESIGNATION OF HARMONY AIRWAYS TO OPERATE SERVICES BETWEEN CANADA AND AUSTRALIA AND FIJI"

Harmony isn't operating anything past Hawaii.



FLYi
User currently offlineCentrair From Japan, joined Jan 2005, 3598 posts, RR: 20
Reply 12, posted (8 years 2 months 1 week 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 3588 times:

They look like quite a good outfit hope someday they get some wide bodies and operate to Asia non-stop.

Good luck to Harmony.



Yes...I am not a KIX fan. Let's Japanese Aviation!
User currently offlineCO737800 From Canada, joined Dec 2003, 545 posts, RR: 1
Reply 13, posted (8 years 2 months 1 week 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 3463 times:

Thats great to see. I know Canada 3000 did very well on this route, I bet Harmony will do just as good if not better.

User currently offlineJupiter2 From Australia, joined Jan 2001, 909 posts, RR: 1
Reply 14, posted (8 years 2 months 1 week 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 3369 times:

Now I know I am not being realistic and that the damn code share are here to stay, but the following is an example of the code share to SYD and you tell me, being utterly selfish, what you would prefer to see and take photos of ?

Airline/Code share with
AF-QF
LH-TG/SQ/OS
KL-MH
UL-EK
SA)">AA-QF
SA-QF
MS-GF
KM-QF
AY-QF
LX-QF
OA-GF

LH, in particular is one airline which could easily sustain a daily flight to SYD, they code share on 6 flights a day into SYD alone, 3 SQ,2 TG and the OS flight, even with say 40 seats on each flight, thats 240 seats a day, easily would accomodate a daily 332/333/343.

Anyway, code shares are a pet hate for me, give me even a couple of flights a week by each of the above airlines into Sydney and I would be a happy camper.

RL


User currently offlineCPDC10-30 From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2000, 4799 posts, RR: 23
Reply 15, posted (8 years 2 months 1 week 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 3362 times:

Harmony just seems to be stalling for time. When are they going to start the China services that they have been promising for years?

User currently offlineCentrair From Japan, joined Jan 2005, 3598 posts, RR: 20
Reply 16, posted (8 years 2 months 1 week 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 3312 times:

Quoting CPDC10-30 (Reply 15):
Harmony just seems to be stalling for time. When are they going to start the China services that they have been promising for years?

Maybe they are using their fleet to establish themselves and then when they are on "good footing" they will order the big planes needed to do the Asian routes they have been promising. This (OZ) is a huge move for an airline the size of Harmony. It is only a matter of time before they take that next step.



Yes...I am not a KIX fan. Let's Japanese Aviation!
User currently offlineJupiter2 From Australia, joined Jan 2001, 909 posts, RR: 1
Reply 17, posted (8 years 2 months 1 week 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 3278 times:

Centrair,

Harmony are only code sharing with FJ to Nadi and HA to SYD, albeit there is some risk involved, but it's not likely to be a huge risk !!!

RL


User currently offlineCentrair From Japan, joined Jan 2005, 3598 posts, RR: 20
Reply 18, posted (8 years 2 months 1 week 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 3241 times:

Quoting Jupiter2 (Reply 17):
Harmony are only code sharing with FJ to Nadi and HA to SYD, albeit there is some risk involved, but it's not likely to be a huge risk !!!

I got confused somewhere in my head on what was happening. So is Harmony's plan to just codeshare with a ton of carriers or eventually make a move to do international travel (beyond the US) themselves?



Yes...I am not a KIX fan. Let's Japanese Aviation!
User currently offlineANother From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 19, posted (8 years 2 months 1 week 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 3212 times:

Quoting Jupiter2 (Reply 17):
Harmony are only code sharing with FJ to Nadi and HA to SYD, albeit there is some risk involved, but it's not likely to be a huge risk !!!

Does this mean that FJ will be dropping their HNL-YVR sector? If so do they increase NAN-HNL?


User currently offlineHa763 From United States of America, joined Jan 2003, 3666 posts, RR: 5
Reply 20, posted (8 years 2 months 1 week 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 3157 times:
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Quoting ANother (Reply 19):
Does this mean that FJ will be dropping their HNL-YVR sector? If so do they increase NAN-HNL?

I doubt it. FJ would have to do some major rescheduling in order to make transiting in HNL work. FJ's HNL-NAN flight departs late at night, while Harmony arrives in HNL around mid-day. Even if FJ were to drop the YVR segment, their NAN-HNL flight arrives and departs to YVR in the early morning, well before Harmony's flight arrives in HNL.


User currently offlineANother From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 21, posted (8 years 2 months 1 week 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 3145 times:

Quoting Ha763 (Reply 20):
FJ would have to do some major rescheduling in order to make transiting in HNL work.

If FJ and Harmony are going to codeshare they will have to do something to sync their schedules. FJ currently operates 3 weekly flights NAN-HNL. Two go on to YVR and the other goes via CIX. The HNL - CIX - NAN flight departs HNL at 1200 (after arriving at 1030). Shouldn't take too much tweaking to have all three flights terminate at HNL returning to NAN early afternoon. The PAX will likely need 3 hours (northbound) to clear US immigration but southbound they will have precleared in YVR.


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