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US Airways Honeymoon Over (Parker Responds)  
User currently offlineCXB744 From United States of America, joined Apr 2006, 215 posts, RR: 0
Posted (7 years 10 months 1 week 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 7111 times:

An interesting article on azcentral.com

Here's the link: http://www.azcentral.com/news/articl...usairways0917hitsandmissesAR0.html

Some new info on how the merger is going from the man at the top.


What is it? It's A 747-400, but that's not important right now.
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User currently offlineNkops From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 2660 posts, RR: 6
Reply 1, posted (7 years 10 months 1 week 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 7019 times:

They still have alot of hurdles ahead, especially merging seniority with pilots, etc. It will only get tougher for a time from here on out.. but I believe they have the right man to do it.


I have no association with Spirit Airlines
User currently offlineWesternA318 From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 5647 posts, RR: 24
Reply 2, posted (7 years 10 months 1 week 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 6899 times:

Sounds like a bunch of old US unionized fatcats are watching what little cash is rolling in the door and trying to stake a claim on it. Does the IAM represent anyone at HP/US?


Next trip: SLC-LAX-JFK-LAX-SLC on AA, gotta say goodbye to my beloved 762!
User currently offlineMLIGRBZW825 From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 55 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (7 years 10 months 1 week 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 6633 times:

ramp and c.s. at old us are represented by the i.a.m. i believe the new u.s. will also be covered for ramp and c.s.


'I'm too close for missiles, I'm switching to guns' -Iceman
User currently offlineTropicBird From United States of America, joined May 2005, 502 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (7 years 10 months 1 week 3 days ago) and read 6219 times:

Quoting WesternA318 (Reply 2):
Sounds like a bunch of old US unionized fatcats are watching what little cash is rolling in the door and trying to stake a claim on it. Does the IAM represent anyone at HP/US?

Although I would say it differently, the work groups need to be a little more patient. After all, they could be worse off.


User currently offlineGift4tbone From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 612 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (7 years 10 months 1 week 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 5458 times:

Quoting TropicBird (Reply 4):
Although I would say it differently, the work groups need to be a little more patient. After all, they could be worse off.

I agree I'm about to join the US workforce, and I think it will be a few years before the employees can see the benifit of the merger, if there is any benifits to be had other than A JOB.

-Tony@PVD



Top 3 airports: PVD 26.0%(115 flights), PHL 15.6%(69 flights), PHX 12.0%(53 flights)
User currently offlineFreedom747 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (7 years 10 months 1 week 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 4751 times:

Hey US Airways. Do you want to get rid of your problems? Dump the unions.
GIMME GIMME GIMME


User currently offlineEmSeeEye From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 508 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (7 years 10 months 1 week 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 4674 times:

Quoting Freedom747 (Reply 6):
Hey US Airways. Do you want to get rid of your problems? Dump the unions.

 thumbsup 

How would you get rid of the unions? I think it would be impossible. I guess you could "pink slip" everyone and rehire them as regular employess. Wait... this isnt General Motors...


User currently offlineAntoniemey From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 1555 posts, RR: 4
Reply 8, posted (7 years 10 months 1 week 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 4466 times:

Quoting EmSeeEye (Reply 7):
How would you get rid of the unions?

Legally? Close up operations for about 7 days and re-open as a non-union operation... but that wouldn't stop the workers from voting unions back in and wold probably cost as much in lost business in the short term as the Unions do.



Make something Idiot-proof, and the Universe will make a more inept idiot.
User currently offlineSlider From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 6785 posts, RR: 34
Reply 9, posted (7 years 10 months 1 week 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 4127 times:

Quote:
It ranked in the bottom half of the industry in on-time arrivals, baggage handling and complaints in July.

That's part of the crux of the problem--the merger combined two poorly operating carriers. At the end of the day, unless or until they improve the basic block and tackling of running a good operating airline, the rest of the "honeymoon" talk is irrelevant. They need someone strong to turn the operational culture of that company around....that alone would do wonders for the merger of disparate corporate cultures and go toward unifying them.

Nothing says unity than being #1.


User currently offlineCXB744 From United States of America, joined Apr 2006, 215 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (7 years 10 months 1 week 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 3944 times:

From the article, Parker wants to put off the union integration as long as possible. + side: US builds it cash reserves and keeps employee costs down. - side: This is a pressure kettle building steam; the longer you put off integration, the longer the animosity between the two sides (US EAST/ HP WEST) will build. Eventually they will have to waring unions going against each other.

Better to get the integration underway this next year and get the bad feelings behind them.



What is it? It's A 747-400, but that's not important right now.
User currently offlineWesternA318 From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 5647 posts, RR: 24
Reply 11, posted (7 years 10 months 1 week 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 3944 times:

Quoting Slider (Reply 9):
That's part of the crux of the problem--the merger combined two poorly operating carriers.

In retrospect, only US was the poorly operated airline. HP itself had been largely turned around.



Next trip: SLC-LAX-JFK-LAX-SLC on AA, gotta say goodbye to my beloved 762!
User currently offlineKYAir From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 362 posts, RR: 3
Reply 12, posted (7 years 10 months 1 week 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 3803 times:

Quoting CXB744 (Reply 10):
Better to get the integration underway this next year and get the bad feelings behind them.

I agree. You know it's coming, get it over with! This thing can still work and I think Parker needs to get back out in the trenches and sell his plan to the grunts. Don't let grumblings fester into real operational issues. He needs to step up and lead.



Don't cry because it's over, smile because it happened - Dr. Seuss
User currently offlineTommyBoy From United States of America, joined May 2000, 153 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (7 years 10 months 1 week 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 3767 times:

Quoting Freedom747 (Reply 6):

....yup...get rid of the unions and that'll solve all the problems 'cuz we all know management never has a GIMME, GIMME, GIMME mentality!


User currently offlineKYAir From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 362 posts, RR: 3
Reply 14, posted (7 years 10 months 1 week 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 3684 times:

Quoting TommyBoy (Reply 13):
management never has a GIMME, GIMME, GIMME mentality!

Now now! Parker is doing better than some, he has a lower salary than some other CEOs but I'm not sure of the stock options. Anyway, I think the profit sharing is a great idea - 10% of pre-tax profit is fairly generous and a good "carrot" to get the best from your employees.



Don't cry because it's over, smile because it happened - Dr. Seuss
User currently offlineHPRamper From United States of America, joined May 2005, 4036 posts, RR: 8
Reply 15, posted (7 years 10 months 1 week 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 3684 times:

Quoting WesternA318 (Reply 2):
Does the IAM represent anyone at HP/US?

Unfortunately, they now "represent" our West ramp.

Quoting Slider (Reply 9):
That's part of the crux of the problem--the merger combined two poorly operating carriers.

US was poorly run beforehand. HP was doing just fine. Not really getting any bigger, but not withering on the vine.

I would like to say, in response to the thread title...if this is a marriage, then we are barely past the point the paperwork has been signed. We are all still waiting for the consummation  bigthumbsup 


User currently offlineKYAir From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 362 posts, RR: 3
Reply 16, posted (7 years 10 months 1 week 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 3236 times:

Quoting HPRamper (Reply 15):
We are all still waiting for the consummation

Yeah, ya gotta get the bride and groom in the same room first. It would also help if they were speaking to each other, but the groom usually thinks talking is overrated, especially on the wedding night!



Don't cry because it's over, smile because it happened - Dr. Seuss
User currently offlineSteeler83 From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 9179 posts, RR: 18
Reply 17, posted (7 years 10 months 1 week 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 3044 times:

Quoting KYAir (Reply 16):
Yeah, ya gotta get the bride and groom in the same room first. It would also help if they were speaking to each other, but the groom usually thinks talking is overrated, especially on the wedding night!



Quoting HPRamper (Reply 15):
We are all still waiting for the consummation

Intersting way of putting it... I don't even think that all divisions of labor are even merged yet, as I think some of us have already stated on here. I believe I read somewhere that it could be up to another year or so before everything is finallized; set in stone...



Do not bring stranger girt into your room. The stranger girt is dangerous, it will hurt your life.
User currently offlineWesternA318 From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 5647 posts, RR: 24
Reply 18, posted (7 years 10 months 1 week 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 3044 times:

Quoting HPRamper (Reply 15):
Unfortunately, they now "represent" our West ramp

Yikes, there goes a perfectly good airline....



Next trip: SLC-LAX-JFK-LAX-SLC on AA, gotta say goodbye to my beloved 762!
User currently offlineSteeler83 From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 9179 posts, RR: 18
Reply 19, posted (7 years 10 months 1 week 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 2553 times:

Quoting WesternA318 (Reply 18):
Yikes, there goes a perfectly good airline....

Good one  Wink



Do not bring stranger girt into your room. The stranger girt is dangerous, it will hurt your life.
User currently offlineABQopsHP From United States of America, joined May 2006, 848 posts, RR: 3
Reply 20, posted (7 years 10 months 1 week 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 2517 times:

While I have made the decision not to return to US, I still have lots of old friends from my HP world. I dont envy them and this merger. Parker has a shot at making US a better airline, only time will tell. But if the old guard IAM people dont want to work things out with him then the company will be back where it was before HP came along.


A line is evidence that other people exist.
User currently offlineWesternA318 From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 5647 posts, RR: 24
Reply 21, posted (7 years 10 months 1 week 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 2403 times:

Quoting ABQopsHP (Reply 20):
While I have made the decision not to return to US, I still have lots of old friends from my HP world. I dont envy them and this merger. Parker has a shot at making US a better airline, only time will tell. But if the old guard IAM people dont want to work things out with him then the company will be back where it was before HP came along.

I couldnt have said it better myself. Once those idiot union-rats get somethign stuck up there butts, a great company is ruined.



Next trip: SLC-LAX-JFK-LAX-SLC on AA, gotta say goodbye to my beloved 762!
User currently offlineUnited767 From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 356 posts, RR: 5
Reply 22, posted (7 years 10 months 1 week 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 2342 times:

Quoting HPRamper (Reply 15):
Quoting WesternA318 (Reply 2):
Does the IAM represent anyone at HP/US?

Unfortunately, they now "represent" our West ramp.

   Good luck with them, they have done NOTHING for me as a member in the 6+ years I have been with UA. Oh yeah, they got me laid off twice, 3 pay cuts, and a demotion to part time. All this for 41 dollars a month. Woo Hoo! Seriously, you all made a mistake by going with them.

Well, since our views on the I.A.M. are the same, welcome to my R.U.L. list. get ready for years of agony my freind.

[Edited 2006-09-20 05:56:09]


I wish UA flew mainline to MYR, that way you wouldn't be stuck in a smelly Saturn for 12 hours.
User currently offlineWesternA318 From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 5647 posts, RR: 24
Reply 23, posted (7 years 10 months 1 week 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 2308 times:

Quoting United767 (Reply 22):
Good luck with them, they have done NOTHING for me as a member in the 6+ years I have been with UA. Oh yeah, they got me laid off twice, 3 pay cuts, and a demotion to part time. All this for 41 dollars a month. Woo Hoo! Seriously, you all made a mistake by going with them.

Well, since our views on the I.A.M. are the same, welcome to my R.U.L. list. get ready for years of agony my freind.

IAM "represented" us at TWA for a while, thats where I saw FIRST HAND of how inpet they are. I swear the ONLY people supporting this union are the people who DONT want to work for a living ($27.50/hr for a f***ing janitor??)
No wonder Eastern crashed in the short time it did after Texas Air bought it.



Next trip: SLC-LAX-JFK-LAX-SLC on AA, gotta say goodbye to my beloved 762!
User currently offlineUnited767 From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 356 posts, RR: 5
Reply 24, posted (7 years 10 months 1 week 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 2287 times:

Quoting WesternA318 (Reply 23):
IAM "represented" us at TWA for a while, thats where I saw FIRST HAND of how inpet they are. I swear the ONLY people supporting this union are the people who DONT want to work for a living ($27.50/hr for a f***ing janitor??)
No wonder Eastern crashed in the short time it did after Texas Air bought it.

I could not agree with you more on this. All the IAM does is represent the lazy asses out on the ramp at UA, and every other airline. I would rather have my 40 dollars a month go to a union that is worth a damn, and fights for the descent workers out here on the ramp. Not to mention they give in to mgmt all the time.



I wish UA flew mainline to MYR, that way you wouldn't be stuck in a smelly Saturn for 12 hours.
25 Mah584jr : All I can say is that unions are a thing of the past in my opinion. They create a lot of controversy and make good managers look terrible. Parker has
26 Flyboyaz : Ramp is IAM...customer service is IBT/CWA. The old US was CWA..HP was IBT..they joined forces to form a "new" union if you will. Most of the disgrunt
27 HPRamper : We didn't have a choice. Under the incredibly obsolete Railway Labor Act, whatever name is kept is the union that takes full control. So US Airways =
28 CXB744 : Well, I believe that if enough of the workers don't like their union (majority), it can be voted out. Time to start organizing.
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