BOE773 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Posted (8 years 3 months 1 week 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 3167 times:
Tuesday September 19, 2006
US Bureau of Transportation Statistics reported that a group of 21 US passenger airlines, consisting of the seven largest network, low-cost and Regional carriers based on operating revenue, reported a collective domestic operating profit margin of 7.9% in the second quarter, the largest quarterly margin for the group since 2000. BTS said yesterday that the LCCs reported a domestic operating profit margin for the quarter of 10.6%, up 5.3 points compared to the year-ago quarter. The Regionals reported a 7.9% margin, down 2.8 points, and the network carriers a 7.2% margin, an improvement of 9.4 points.
DeltaJet757 From United States of America, joined Sep 2006, 243 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (8 years 3 months 1 week 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 3118 times:
If you haven't already noticed, air travel particularly in the U.S. domestic market has picked up a lot especially this last summer. I'm finding that I need to book way ahead of time to get a good price for a couple of tickets (and good seats).
Ikramerica From United States of America, joined May 2005, 21588 posts, RR: 59
Reply 2, posted (8 years 3 months 1 week 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 3111 times:
Travel has picked up and with higher prices. A recipe for profits. And it points out how stupid airlines were before, because people are going to fly anyway, and they were selling flights for LESS than people were willing to pay!!! That's called a stupid business strategy...
Of all the things to worry about... the Wookie has no pants.
Panamair From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 4977 posts, RR: 25
Reply 3, posted (8 years 3 months 1 week 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 3039 times:
More importantly, while demand remained strong, many carriers were very disciplined about capacity, including DL and NW's significant domestic capacity cuts. This allowed the carriers not only to raise fares, but to also sustain those higher fares.
Lumberton From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 4708 posts, RR: 20
Reply 5, posted (8 years 3 months 1 week 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 2935 times:
Quoting UAL777UK (Reply 4): Don't forget that fuel costs have come down as well!
I'm not sure that was a decisive factor in the latest round of profits, since fuel has been down only significantly in the last month or so. The airlines have definitely regained some pricing power in the market place. The lower fuel prices should auger well for the next round of financials!
"When all is said and done, more will be said than done".
WorldTraveler From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (8 years 3 months 1 week 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 2766 times:
Capacity discipline has to occur with both the network carries and LFCs. In the past, no amount of capacity discipline by network carriers has helped because LFCs have added capacity. The difference recently is that LFCs are rationalizing capacity and allowing fares to go up.
Fuel is a factor given that only WN has a real advantage in fuel costs and that is offset by higher than average labor costs.
This may be the last business cycle that we talk about network and LFCs separately because the line between them is already getting very blurred. There were network carriers that reported better profit margins than LFCs and some of the network carriers are now lowering costs to levels approaching single digit percentages above LFCs.
The next down cycle in the industry will show which airlines have winning business plans and which ones do not. It will no longer be true that one segment or another will succeed. There will be failures and losses among all types of airlines.
Jacobin777 From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 14968 posts, RR: 59
Reply 9, posted (8 years 3 months 1 week 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 2607 times:
Quoting Ikramerica (Reply 2): Travel has picked up and with higher prices. A recipe for profits. And it points out how stupid airlines were before, because people are going to fly anyway, and they were selling flights for LESS than people were willing to pay!!! That's called a stupid business strategy...
AA has been charing about 5-10% more for my flights than I usually fly..and even though its not a lot..all those tickets sold = a lot more ....its not a big deal, and if it helps AA make money, then I'm all for it....
to top it off...I'm actually flying more now than I did even last year...which was a record year for me.....
kudos to the carriers....I would like to see oil at the $45-$50 mark...
Tango-Bravo From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 3806 posts, RR: 29
Reply 10, posted (8 years 3 months 1 week 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 2464 times:
Quoting Ikramerica (Reply 2): And it points out how stupid airlines were before, because people are going to fly anyway, and they were selling flights for LESS than people were willing to pay!!!
Not to worry... seems the U.S. legacies have lately begun to show some determination to return to their business as usual of charging less, even far less, than their customers are willing to pay, in the interest of market share and load factors as ends in themselves. Almost as if the legacies have taken on some self-imposed guilt complex over the reasonable, realistic fares which their customers were obviously willing to pay -- because they did (and still do when/where loss-leader fares are not available) -- in record numbers.
But alas, if there is one thing the U.S. legacies have consistently proven a knack for over the years, it is that they never miss an opportunity to miss an opportunity to become profitable on a consistent basis. It's looking more and more like that part of their DNA code hasn't changed at all. What bodes even worse for the legacies is that it looks like the legacies are slowly but steadily reverting to another tenet of their business as usual in their practice of hoping to be able to fleece business travelers while throwing a profusion of loss-leader fares at leisure travelers; which led to their precipitous decline (which began well before 9/11/01). The result will be the same once again, especially when the inevitable tightening of business travel budgets begins to happen.
- CO actually posted an operating LOSS for domestic during Q2: -$17million. This really surprised me - in fact, CO has been posting losses domestically for the past year. Obviously International is what's helping CO post overall Operating Profits. CO, together with ATA and Spirit, were the only ones to have posted domestic losses in Q2
- Both NW and DL posted the highest operating margins of legacy carriers for domestic during Q2 though they both LOST money (the only two of the legacy network carriers) internationally. NW lost $19 million while DL lost $24 million internationally. In DL's case this was primarily due to the pilot strike threat-bookaway effect during April and May for Europe-originating traffic (as evidenced by DL's overall operating profits of $84m, $78m in April and May respectively, before swinging back up to $207m in June). And before anyone jumps in now to say that DL's international expansion is not working, remember that DL's expanded TATL ops were fully in place only in June.
- Of the regionals, ASA had the highest profit margin while Comair had the lowest. OH also had the highest unit cost of all the regionals, coming in at 16.4 cents (next closest was AAEagle at 15.3). Amongst all airlines, OH's unit costs were only topped by legacies US and CO, each coming in at 17.0 cents.
- Most dramatic improvements in operating margins from Q1 to Q2 for network carriers were for Alaska (from -27.8% to +5.2%) and Delta (from -9.4% to +11.1%)
B777a340fan From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 775 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (8 years 3 months 1 week 1 hour ago) and read 1876 times:
Quoting DeltaJet757 (Reply 1): If you haven't already noticed, air travel particularly in the U.S. domestic market has picked up a lot especially this last summer. I'm finding that I need to book way ahead of time to get a good price for a couple of tickets (and good seats).
Like FATFlyer said up there, passenger counts have remained pretty much steady. I think the cancellation of flights, introduction of new flights to new destinations (domestic and int'l) have helped mark profits.
FATFlyer From United States of America, joined May 2001, 5846 posts, RR: 28
Reply 18, posted (8 years 3 months 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 1698 times:
Quoting SBNair3022 (Reply 15): why isnt Allegaint (G4) on here?? I thought they were makin a profit!
Allegiant is making a profit, this was selected airline info from the BTS. From the release: The 21-carrier group consists of the seven largest network, low-cost and regional carriers based on operating revenue.
"Travel is fatal to prejudice, bigotry, and narrow-mindedness." - Mark Twain