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Delta CVG To Warsaw Over TXL?  
User currently offlineColumba From Germany, joined Dec 2004, 7057 posts, RR: 4
Posted (7 years 10 months 1 week 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 3840 times:

I have just read in a German aviation that there are rumors that DL wants to fly to Warsaw (WAW) from Cincinnati with a second stop which is esupposed to be either Berlin-Tegel, Stockholm or St.Petersburg.


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User currently offlineKYAir From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 362 posts, RR: 3
Reply 1, posted (7 years 10 months 1 week 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 3800 times:

Why in the world are they wanting to do that? Is there a large Polish population in Cincy? I know there are lots of German descendants in N KY, but Poles?????


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User currently offlineFewsolarge From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 409 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (7 years 10 months 1 week 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 3789 times:

I'd bet huge money against that. WAW, ARN and LED are all very likely as new destinations to be announced this fall, but CVG wouldn't be the gateway.

User currently offlineB777-700 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (7 years 10 months 1 week 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 3789 times:

Quoting Columba (Thread starter):
I have just read in a German aviation that there are rumors that DL wants to fly to Warsaw (WAW) from Cincinnati with a second stop which is esupposed to be either Berlin-Tegel, Stockholm or St.Petersburg.

OK, and let me go ahead and squash that. No chance. Not even worth discussing.

WAW is a potential destination, as is LED. Both should be non stop from JFK. They already fly to TXL and tag-ons are very expensive.


User currently offlinePanamair From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 4875 posts, RR: 25
Reply 4, posted (7 years 10 months 1 week 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 3761 times:
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Quoting B777-700 (Reply 3):
potential destination, as is LED

Anyone know what the US-Russia bilateral states about frequencies and destinations, etc. for each side? DL already has 14 weekly flights to SVO during the summer. In any case, if DL were to start LED service, it would likely be at most 4-5x weekly in the summer...


User currently offlineB777-700 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (7 years 10 months 1 week 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 3744 times:

Quoting Panamair (Reply 4):
Anyone know what the US-Russia bilateral states about frequencies and destinations, etc. for each side? DL already has 14 weekly flights to SVO during the summer. In any case, if DL were to start LED service, it would likely be at most 4-5x weekly in the summer...

Right, it may only be seasonal, tho I'm not 100% of the bilateral.
LED is one very strong rumor I've been hearing around the water cooler tho! If it actually happens, remains to be seen...

Haven't heard ARN. Remember, Delta likes big cities that don't have any other US carriers...


User currently offlineSLCUT2777 From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 4028 posts, RR: 11
Reply 6, posted (7 years 10 months 1 week 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 3639 times:

Quoting B777-700 (Reply 3):
OK, and let me go ahead and squash that. No chance. Not even worth discussing.

WAW is a potential destination, as is LED. Both should be non stop from JFK

I'll second that! JFK-WAW and JFK-LED are strong possibilities next summer on DL. If DL starts any new Eastern Europe service it will likely be from NYC-JFK or ATL. I don't see anything new and exciting going into CVG from Europe on DL.



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User currently offlinePanamair From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 4875 posts, RR: 25
Reply 7, posted (7 years 10 months 1 week 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 3580 times:
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Quoting B777-700 (Reply 5):
Haven't heard ARN

Yes, DL seems to have had a very strong aversion to ARN ever since pulling out post-9/11. The upcoming withdrawal of MH's 3x weekly ARN-EWR flights will probably not be enough inducement for DL to return to ARN-JFK either.


User currently offlineLAXdude1023 From India, joined Sep 2006, 7503 posts, RR: 24
Reply 8, posted (7 years 10 months 1 week 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 3560 times:

Quoting B777-700 (Reply 3):
OK, and let me go ahead and squash that. No chance. Not even worth discussing.

Agreed. DL would never service the route from CVG. If they were interested in this route, it should be from JFK. ATL maybe, but I dont think so.



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User currently offlineWorldTraveler From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (7 years 10 months 1 week 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 3541 times:

DL used to route its LED flights via WAW as part of the FRA hub... inherited from Pan Am but even then did not have local traffic rights.

Euro cities involved will proably happen in time but very unlikely it woud be from CVG.


User currently offlineUSPIT10L From United States of America, joined Mar 2006, 3295 posts, RR: 7
Reply 10, posted (7 years 10 months 1 week 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 3403 times:

Quoting Panamair (Reply 7):
Yes, DL seems to have had a very strong aversion to ARN ever since pulling out post-9/11. The upcoming withdrawal of MH's 3x weekly ARN-EWR flights will probably not be enough inducement for DL to return to ARN-JFK either.

Panamair, why is that? ARN was a strong destination for both AA and DL, IIRC.

Quoting SLCUT2777 (Reply 6):
I'll second that! JFK-WAW and JFK-LED are strong possibilities next summer on DL. If DL starts any new Eastern Europe service it will likely be from NYC-JFK or ATL. I don't see anything new and exciting going into CVG from Europe on DL.

Don't forget OTP. DL also applied for JFK-OTP service recently as well.



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User currently onlineANITIX87 From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 3300 posts, RR: 13
Reply 11, posted (7 years 10 months 1 week 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 3344 times:
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Quoting LAXdude1023 (Reply 8):
If they were interested in this route, it should be from JFK

LOT already has daily JFK-WAW and EWR-WAW, right?

Is there enough of a market to warrant a DL flight as well? AFAIK my EWR-WAW flight was far from full when I flew it in 2003.

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User currently offlineSteeler83 From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 9180 posts, RR: 18
Reply 12, posted (7 years 10 months 1 week 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 3340 times:

Quoting Fewsolarge (Reply 2):
I'd bet huge money against that. WAW, ARN and LED are all very likely as new destinations to be announced this fall, but CVG wouldn't be the gateway.



Quoting SLCUT2777 (Reply 6):
WAW is a potential destination, as is LED. Both should be non stop from JFK

I'll second that! JFK-WAW and JFK-LED are strong possibilities next summer on DL. If DL starts any new Eastern Europe service it will likely be from NYC-JFK or ATL.

Yeah, I think this way as well... ATL is the... THE fortress hub for DL, and JFK is a major int'l gateway for pretty much any airline serving it. New York has a lot of every culture as opposed to a "little bit" of everything, so naturally, the route would do considerably better if originating from JFK or ATL...



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User currently offlineDeltaJet757 From United States of America, joined Sep 2006, 243 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (7 years 10 months 1 week 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 3252 times:

First things first, a flight out of CVG to Warsaw no way. Sorry but no. Why in the world would DL fly to WAW out of CVG?! If it's a seasonal route than maybe, but probably not. A flight to Warsaw would either go out of ATL or JFK.

Quoting Steeler83 (Reply 12):
Yeah, I think this way as well... ATL is the... THE fortress hub for DL, and JFK is a major int'l gateway for pretty much any airline serving it. New York has a lot of every culture as opposed to a "little bit" of everything, so naturally, the route would do considerably better if originating from JFK or ATL...

Exactly, JFK would be most likely because it's not only a big Delta Hub but the int'l gateway to the world for planes. ATL also likely because it's "THE fortress hub for DL."

Quoting KYAir (Reply 1):
Is there a large Polish population in Cincy?

To answer that, no. There's no large Polish population in Cincinnati. Germans yes, definitely lots of Germans. My dad would know that because he lived in Cincinnati for a while and grew up in northeastern Ohio where there are lots of Polish people, particularly the west side of Cleveland.

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User currently offlineSilver764 From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 73 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (7 years 10 months 1 week 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 3229 times:

Big Polish Populatio in Cleveland

User currently offlineSilver764 From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 73 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (7 years 10 months 1 week 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 3229 times:

speaking of warsaw, what about prague? I read somewhere that was an potential option from Atl. Anyone heard anything?

User currently offlineIADLHR From Italy, joined Apr 2005, 735 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (7 years 10 months 1 week 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 3196 times:

I was at TXL a few weeks ago. While in Berlin I did hear that rumor a few times. However, however, it came across to me purely as german wishful thinking and a dream. I think the powers that be would absolutely love new TXL-USA service to another city other than NYC. However, I am sure that service to another city will be quite a ways off, many years from now.

Only possible way, I see it, would be TXL-ATL or possibly LH starting TXL-IAD again. Still that will be quite soemtime before that happens. CVG will not happen.


User currently offlineHoya From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 389 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (7 years 10 months 1 week 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 3180 times:

Maybe the flight number will originate in CVG, have a stop in JFK, and then fly on to WAW. Sort of like what other airlines do, like UA (i.e. Flight 936 ORD-(IAD)-ZRH). Just a possibility.


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User currently offlineWorldTraveler From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 18, posted (7 years 10 months 1 week 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 3180 times:

I don't think you wil even see TXL to ATL. Germany is a tough market for all carriers outside of Star. There are some niche markets like TXL but they just aren't that big. If TXL were such a strong market, don't you think LH would be providing it transatlantic service?

User currently offlineSteeler83 From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 9180 posts, RR: 18
Reply 19, posted (7 years 10 months 1 week 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 3134 times:

Quoting Silver764 (Reply 14):
Big Polish Populatio in Cleveland

Germans and Poles in Pittsburgh as well, but none willing to travel to Europe tho... I imagine there are several tens of thousands of each there... anyway, pardon the PIT referrence...



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