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Confirmed ..AeroMexico To Japan In November  
User currently offlineRvA340 From Mexico, joined Jan 2006, 69 posts, RR: 0
Posted (7 years 12 months 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 10585 times:

hi...!
yesterday i flew TIJ -MEX on AM... and the steward sat in front of me during take off and landing so i asked questions and she told me that the airline had just told the employees that the service to tokyo will start in one month, she said that the flight will be MEX- TIJ or LAX- tokyo and tokyo - MEX (directly)...
She also said that the route obviously will be with the 777, and that all of aeromexico's 757's will be out of the fleet shortly...!
greetings!

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User currently offlineCentrair From Japan, joined Jan 2005, 3598 posts, RR: 20
Reply 1, posted (7 years 12 months 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 10557 times:

So a Flight attendant confirmed this.

Quoting RvA340 (Thread starter):
MEX- TIJ or LAX- tokyo and tokyo - MEX (directly)...

And where/how did they get the slots at NRT? Varig? Who? There are none available till 2009 when the runway extension is completed.



Yes...I am not a KIX fan. Let's Japanese Aviation!
User currently offlineKaitak744 From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 2377 posts, RR: 3
Reply 2, posted (7 years 12 months 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 10515 times:

Quoting Centrair (Reply 1):
And where/how did they get the slots at NRT? Varig? Who? There are none available till 2009 when the runway extension is completed.

Sounds like Varig. They also did LAX-NRT.


User currently offlineLuisde8cd From Pitcairn Islands, joined Aug 2004, 2571 posts, RR: 30
Reply 3, posted (7 years 12 months 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 10462 times:

Quoting RvA340 (Thread starter):
that the service to tokyo will start in one month

If that were true the flight would already show up in all reservation systems. Maybe she's right about NRT, but not the start date.

Saludos desde Caracas,
Luis


User currently offlineUnitedNRT From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 284 posts, RR: 9
Reply 4, posted (7 years 12 months 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 10446 times:

All I know is that they are very committed to finalizing the slots, but whether or not they will start November is another thing. I haven't heard anything over here about an 11th month startup.


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User currently offlineKanebear From United States of America, joined May 2002, 953 posts, RR: 1
Reply 5, posted (7 years 12 months 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 10436 times:

Quoting Luisde8cd (Reply 3):
If that were true the flight would already show up in all reservation systems. Maybe she's right about NRT, but not the start date.

Saludos desde Caracas,
Luis

Just checked in Sabre, Apollo, Amadeus and Worldspan. Not there. Not in Nov, Dec, Jan, Feb, etc.


User currently offlineCarpethead From Japan, joined Aug 2004, 2954 posts, RR: 3
Reply 6, posted (7 years 12 months 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 10398 times:

Yeah right.
The day AM shows up in NRT, is the same day EK starts service to NRT. The only new carrier that can remotely serve NRT would be JJ to replace the RG service.


User currently offlineCentrair From Japan, joined Jan 2005, 3598 posts, RR: 20
Reply 7, posted (7 years 12 months 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 10356 times:

Quoting Kaitak744 (Reply 2):
Sounds like Varig. They also did LAX-NRT.

Question: Is a slot granted based on destination/origin of flight, schedule of a flight or the time in which a flight arrives/departs from an airport?

If it is time, then I would think an airline like EK would have snapped it up pretty fast. They fly NGO arrving at 5:00 and They have the money and desire to serve NRT more than NGO or KIX, which they already serve because they couldn't get NRT slots.

I guess I will just wait till an official announcement from the airline.



Yes...I am not a KIX fan. Let's Japanese Aviation!
User currently offlineGhost77 From Mexico, joined Mar 2000, 5222 posts, RR: 51
Reply 8, posted (7 years 12 months 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 10356 times:

So far, it is said, November 15th, 2006 will be the start date.

g77 APM



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User currently offlineCentrair From Japan, joined Jan 2005, 3598 posts, RR: 20
Reply 9, posted (7 years 12 months 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 10332 times:

Quoting Ghost77 (Reply 8):
So far, it is said, November 15th, 2006 will be the start date.

May I ask where this was said?

The "AM to Japan" threads are really starting to become a new A.net legend. Would love to see some official announcements if it is going to start so soon.



Yes...I am not a KIX fan. Let's Japanese Aviation!
User currently offlineFyano773 From Mexico, joined Mar 2004, 784 posts, RR: 1
Reply 10, posted (7 years 12 months 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 10198 times:

Quoting RvA340 (Thread starter):
yesterday i flew TIJ -MEX on AM... and the steward sat in front of me during take off and landing so i asked questions and she told me that the airline had just told the employees that the service to tokyo will start in one month, she said that the flight will be MEX- TIJ or LAX- tokyo and tokyo - MEX (directly)...

This topic was partly discussed here: AeroMexico's CEO: GRU 10X Or GIG 3X/NRT Confirmed! (by Fyano773 Sep 6 2006 in Civil Aviation)

In a local forum here in Mexico, somebody posted that the flight would be:


  • AMX052 MEX-TIJ-NRT.
  • AMX053 NRT-TIJ-MEX.


Yes, this route is not yet in the schedules, nothing official, but where there is smoke, there is fire  Wink Perhaps the start date will be later on.


User currently offlineMaverickM11 From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 17495 posts, RR: 45
Reply 11, posted (7 years 12 months 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 10047 times:

Quoting Ghost77 (Reply 8):
So far, it is said, November 15th, 2006 will be the start date.

Just enough time to not sell any seats Silly



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User currently offlineAdriaticus From Mexico, joined May 2004, 1137 posts, RR: 18
Reply 12, posted (7 years 12 months 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 9952 times:

Quoting RvA340 (Thread starter):
the steward sat in front of me during take off and landing so i asked questions

90% of the times FAs and pilots know rubbish about what P&A is planning ahead.

Quoting Centrair (Reply 7):
Is a slot granted based on destination/origin of flight, schedule of a flight or the time in which a flight arrives/departs from an airport?

No. You hit the nail. The slots are granted to an airline, regardless of the origin or destination of the flight.

Quoting Kanebear (Reply 5):
Just checked in Sabre, Apollo, Amadeus and Worldspan. Not there. Not in Nov, Dec, Jan, Feb, etc.

Same goes for Aeromexico.com. Notwithstanding, it is interesting to note AM's website shows NRT as their only Japan destination... No NGO, KIX or anywhere else.

Quoting Centrair (Reply 9):
The "AM to Japan" threads are really starting to become a new A.net legend.

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User currently offlineRojo From Spain, joined Sep 2000, 2451 posts, RR: 9
Reply 13, posted (7 years 12 months 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 9883 times:

Reforma newspaper reports (once more) that Andres Conesa confirmed the Mexico City - Tijuana - Tokyo Narita flight AM will start on November 16, 2006...
Lets see if this time the statement is true, but so far, nothing on GDS's

http://www.reforma.com/editoriales/negocios/689208/


User currently offlineERAUgrad02 From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 1227 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (7 years 12 months 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 9866 times:

what equipment will they be using?


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User currently offlineAS739X From United States of America, joined Apr 2003, 6140 posts, RR: 23
Reply 15, posted (7 years 12 months 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 9827 times:

ERAU no doubt the 777. The 767-200 doesn't have the legs for that flight..

ASLAX



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User currently offlineRojo From Spain, joined Sep 2000, 2451 posts, RR: 9
Reply 16, posted (7 years 12 months 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 9789 times:

Quoting ERAUgrad02 (Reply 14):
what equipment will they be using?

Andres Conesa cofirmed they will used the B777 to Tokyo. The article says that AM recently closed a deal with ILFC to get a 3rd B777 ex RG. We all know it is PP-VRA and should be in Mexico in October...


User currently offlineMarcus From Mexico, joined Apr 2001, 1798 posts, RR: 2
Reply 17, posted (7 years 12 months 3 days ago) and read 9725 times:

Where there is smoke!...............someone might have a bong


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User currently offlineDw9115 From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 449 posts, RR: 2
Reply 18, posted (7 years 12 months 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 9279 times:

Quoting Luisde8cd (Reply 3):
If that were true the flight would already show up in all reservation systems. Maybe she's right about NRT, but not the start date.

I wonder if the F/A may have meant they are going to start selling the flight in a month giving them a month to decide when would be the best time of year to start, # of days, time of day and cities involved etc.


User currently offlineJfk777 From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 8372 posts, RR: 7
Reply 19, posted (7 years 12 months 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 9089 times:
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Finally a Latin American airline other then Varig with a 777 at NRT. AM's prestige has grown.

User currently offlineJuventus From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 2835 posts, RR: 2
Reply 20, posted (7 years 12 months 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 9030 times:

Quoting Jfk777 (Reply 19):
AM's prestige has grown.

I agree with you JFK777. This is going to be the most important addition to their network in many years.


User currently offlineGhost77 From Mexico, joined Mar 2000, 5222 posts, RR: 51
Reply 21, posted (7 years 12 months 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 8743 times:

Quoting ERAUgrad02 (Reply 14):
what equipment will they be using?

So far AM promises to be a sole B772ER operation, other sources have told me that it will be a mix of B762/3/772ER. All types are capable to fly TIJ-NRT.

g77 APM



Ricardo Morales - flyAPM - ¡No es que maneje rapido, solo estoy volando lento!
User currently offlineMike1974 From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 59 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (7 years 12 months 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 8701 times:

It would be great news if AM does make this happen. The rumors are there, lets just hope it eventually become true. I still would love to see another Asian carrier (other than JL) send its own metal to MEX. But maybe if AM does make this happen other airlines in the Far East/Asia decide to explore Latin America more aggresively.

I can see KE (being a SkyTeam member), Cathay Pacific or China Souther/Air China in Mexico sometime in the near future.

Well at least we know AM and MX have intentions to service Asia sooner or later.


User currently offlineAnthsaun From Mexico, joined Apr 2004, 544 posts, RR: 3
Reply 23, posted (7 years 12 months 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 8560 times:

Quoting Rojo (Reply 13):
Reforma newspaper reports (once more) that Andres Conesa confirmed the Mexico City - Tijuana - Tokyo Narita flight AM will start on November 16, 2006...
Lets see if this time the statement is true, but so far, nothing on GDS's

Mr. Andres Conesa is not a person to be trusted. He doesn't know the term "Principle Centered Leadership".



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User currently offlineCentrair From Japan, joined Jan 2005, 3598 posts, RR: 20
Reply 24, posted (7 years 12 months 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 8533 times:

Quoting Rojo (Reply 13):
Reforma newspaper reports (once more) that Andres Conesa confirmed the Mexico City - Tijuana - Tokyo Narita flight AM will start on November 16, 2006...

And yet nothing in the Japanese news. Nothing on AM's website. Nothing from NRT. Nani mo nai.



Yes...I am not a KIX fan. Let's Japanese Aviation!
25 N405MX : Talked with a guy from SEAT later today, he told me that the MEX-Japan route will begin in november, not exact date but they are going for training, a
26 Adriaticus : Logan... How exactly would the ground support teams need to be trained differently for a B777 flight that flies to NRT instead of MAD? BTW, I saw MX'
27 737-990 : Exclamation point?! Why do you think this is this good news? I know AM will retire the 757 but it doesn't mean it's a good thing. IMHO, the 757 is th
28 N405MX : Thanks For alternates, also they will be receiving training for the probable MTY-CDG flight. Saludos
29 XA744 : Totemo, totemo fushigina koto da !!!.... Very, very strange thing, indeed !!! I don´t know, maybe we are just witnessing a new marketing strategy. H
30 LAXdude1023 : Dont believe it until it shows up in the systems. I know I wont.
31 Ghost77 : New date! Flight is set to depart MEX on November 16th, 2006 arriving to NRT on November 18th, 2006. Tomorrow, Baja California Norte Secreaty of Touri
32 LAXdude1023 : What is the source?
33 Mike1974 : So it will be NRT and not NGO??? If true, wonder how AM was able to pull this through....???
34 Centrair : That is a very long flight are tehy flying via Madrid? If a plane leaves North America on the 16th and flies non-stop across the Pacific it will arri
35 Fyano773 : Hi, N405MX, do you have more info? MTY deserves more nonstop flights to Europe. Japan's time zone is GMT+9, Tijuana is GMT-8, i. e. NRT is 17 hours a
36 Centrair : Are there links to these press releases? I trust you are quoting the press releases. But that still doesn't sound right. I mean...LAX-SIN on SQ37 is
37 Post contains links and images Fyano773 : NRT & ICN are GMT+9, LAX & TIJ are GMT-8, therefore, the flight takes about 12h... If the plane leaves TIJ on 11/16 @ 23:30 PST (16:30 JST+1d), the f
38 Centrair : Wow... That is just bizzare to me I have never flown a trans-pac where you miss a whole day. Weird how you can leave the same day and arrive one day
39 Post contains links SANFan : from the AM website: http://www.aeromexico.com/usa/englis...ravel/what_new/flights/narita.html Everything there except the start date (other than "fal
40 Farmenta : Hello, I was wondering if there is any FA training going on? Any FA that speak Japanese? How about food, in flight movies, bilingual signs ? Fer
41 Centrair : It looks like one aircraft doing the route. It flies over, arrives in Japan the next day, then returns the same day. TIJ-NRT AM1052 Departs 2:00 AM Ar
42 Post contains images XA744 : Just to kill some time, I put myself to work on the schedules all the way from GRU to NRT and roughly came up with this: GRU dp 2200 ar 1000 + 1 MEX d
43 N405MX : They want the MTY-CDG flight long ago, they expect it for october or november this year, but they´ll need more frames, also the T7 coming from MAD w
44 Edelag : Has there ever been a flight with the T7 to MTY? And I heard from a friend of mine that about 15 years ago LH used to fly to MTY. I tried to look for
45 Post contains images KLM685 : Hey everyone, I found this on the newspaper today. Kinda scare someone to believe that they have the security to feel that they're gonna sell those ti
46 XA744 : What an awful waste of space in the paper !!! Again, so much lack of creativity, imagination and talent in our airline industry !!! Well, these chara
47 KLM685 : I know, it's like they just wanted to put something "funny" in the paper or keep up with their traditional all blue ad's that tell you nothing.
48 Rojo : Agree... Bear in mind that the add does not specify where in Japan will the B777's land... it could be KIX, NGO, NRT, etc. I wonder if they are still
49 Adriaticus : Cheesy or not, publishing this ad seems to be a point of no-return for AM. Interesting to note -as Rojo points out- there are no departure and destina
50 Post contains images JoseMEX : "La llegada de uno de nuestros flamantes Boeing 777"? Isn't it a second-hand, ex-RG ship? Not so flamante then, is it? It's such a vague ad, though. D
51 JumboForever : From an old NH timetables of 2005, GRU/GIG-NRT flights were arriving at 13:35 and leaving back at 19:00. Regards, JumboForever
52 Post contains images Latinplane : Good lord you guys, give them a brake! Sheesh.. What do guys want? I think its really cool. Personally, I feel that this is a great step. Time will te
53 JoseMEX : OK, guys, sorry; forget I said that. I misread the ad and when I tried to edit my post it was too late.
54 2travel2know : NO matter how much AM is saying that they're going to fly to NRT, I really don't belive it until I see it. My guess is that AM is saying México - Jap
55 LipeGIG : But do they need transit visa like the US ? I don't think so ! All is connected, the plans for AM to upgrade Brazil flights from 7 to 10x weekly (i h
56 Post contains images JoseMEX : Felipe, My original comment was directed more as criticism of AM's marketing and the ad itself , rather than of the condition of the ex-RG 777s. Sorr
57 Jetdeltamsy : ...and hemorrhaged cash for VARIG for over a decade. while i'm skeptical a MEX-NRT route would be profitable, you never know. i don't doubt there are
58 LipeGIG : Jose, i understood, just try to use the opportunity to let everyone knows about the general condition of these two spetacular birds. Thanks for shari
59 XA744 : Felipe, you are always such a sensible and full of sensitivity gentleman !!! Thank you. Best regards
60 Post contains images Adriaticus :    It just happens that for some reason -or reasons- AM is not very well-loved by some a.netters. I concur with you; Mexican aviation should start
61 Ghost77 : Nothing more to add as to what Adriticus said!!! IF a 02X to Japan is possible, why no 03X to MXP or FCO, why no 03X to LHR and 03X to AMS just to sta
62 2travel2know : Well, if a Latinamerican from a country which requires Mexican visas wants to fly to SFO via MEX but the flight stops enroute to SFO in GDL, that Lat
63 Skyone : Well, first we do the AM bashing becauses as Ghost states, there are more profitable routes AM could have started like LHR (fight for the slot or mak
64 2travel2know : Mexican (and Latinamerican, plus Asians in TIJ ?) Businesspeople with NO U.S. Visas (or Canadian) don't have the choice of travelling to/from Asia th
65 KLM685 : Take it easy! No one know for sure how is this flight going to operate at all. Maybe it's full and suddenly we have daily flight to NRT ( don't know
66 Carpethead : One thing is for sure if AM pulled NRT slots, every airline exec wishing to serve NRT or add frequency would be irrate at the NAA & Japanese Ministry
67 Skyone : Me wish for profitability!, no way, I already enjoy reading their financial statements and looking at how they bleed and how they aren´t profitable.
68 Skyone : You may have a good point. Although I find it hard to believe that in Mexico a business person does not have an American visa. If they don´t have on
69 Ghost77 : If true (other airlines applying and begging for slots to enter or increase frequencies) get ready then! So far, everything over here points out AM i
70 Post contains links Adriaticus : Not correct. AM is devising this flight as a connection between Japan and South America (SCL, GRU and LIM), as well as -of course- all the other Mexi
71 Boeing747_600 : My question is why TIJ? Cant the 777-200ERs do MEX-NRT nonstop? Also, dosent AM have 5th freedom rights out of LAX?
72 Ghost77 : I couldn't have said it any better!!! This is more than just AM and NRT, this is a strong commitment between Mexico's and Japan's governments. Same a
73 Post contains links XA744 : Quoting Ghost77 (Reply 72): JL has been serving Mexico for (I think) over the last +40 years. JL began serving Mexico City on March 23, 1972. It was a
74 Post contains images Cessnalady : Due to strong headwinds flying west and a H&H departure condition from MEX, a B772ER likely cannot make it. Flying East, it could... Perhaps if thing
75 Coronado990 : Exactly...Thank you! I guess a lot of people just do not want or just cannot accept TIJ coming up in the world. It is in a great position between Asi
76 San747 : I don't have any problem with TIJ getting new service, but I do wish it wouldn't be at the expense of SAN... I know SAN has a lot going against it (r
77 Belizexp : Congrats to AM on expanding into Asia.
78 Oakjam : I am so glad to see TIJ getting this service to Tokyo. I will see when I get some money and my first flight to Tokyo will be on AM from TIJ. Due to he
79 Trvlr : The difference is, SAN itself is a huge city, much bigger than TIJ and OAK. At this point, connecting in LAX/SFO really becomes a liability, not just
80 Ucunnn2 : just a squestion guys ... If ever was done a flight (hopefully someday) MEX-SYD or MEX-AKL, would be possible to do it NON STOP ??? it is different th
81 Post contains links XA744 : Ucunnn2, interesting questions you are posing here. As you may already know, Qantas used to operate from Sydney all the way to London via Acapulco and
82 Coronado990 : The only way you can go non-stop from MEXICO to AKL or SYD is out of ACA. A nice long runway at sea level.
83 Ghost77 : Yes it's possible to do that with B772LR. SYD-MEX or AKL-MEX is possible anytime but the other way round should be MEX-ACA-SYD/AKL. g77 APM
84 Post contains images Boeing747_600 : Ah! The dreaded Hs!!! On a somewhat related note, does Boeing claim to have this problem licked with the (purportedly round-the-world-capable) 787? N
85 Ghost77 : Ok, again here I go, just a few minutes ago I have another confirmation from a very good AM source, Its NRT its NRT!!!!!!! NO big rumor, it's not NGO
86 HB-IWC : While I absolutely don't want to question your information or your sources, what is the reason that the flights have still not been loaded in the res
87 Britmex : While I find most of the posts interesting, as an AM crewmember myself I have been given already information about Transpacific onboard service and I
88 XA744 : Albrecht, congratulations on your new assignments !!! I just hope every AM cabin crew member will be as professional as you are when flying this new
89 KLM685 : Well according to guys here on a.net one of those ex Varig is without one engine, so I don't think it's that here. Congratulations! I hope to live th
90 Centrair : Though we have confirmation, why is there nothing on the NAA website, nothing in any newspapers, and nothing in the travel offices. Hope we can see s
91 Post contains links XA744 : The funny thing is that Mexicana Airlines appears to have some check-in counters allocated at Narita´s Terminal 2, why is this ? http://www.narita-a
92 Rojo : I am a frequent visitor to Tijuana and San Diego (once a month at least) and still think that TIJ is not the best option for intercontinental flights
93 Britmex : The start day may be delayed ono week or two but the plans to fly into NRT are for real as well as the incoming aircraft. One of the problems with the
94 Marcus : At TIJ nobody knows anything about this flight......................
95 Ghost77 : It's AM and they're doing it the mexican way. Many US airlines several months ago open the flights, but remember, this is an improvised Mexican start
96 Post contains links Marcus : 2 articles on the paper this weekend but only in Spanish......... http://www.frontera.info/buscar/traernotanew.asp?NumNota=444617 http://www.frontera.
97 Cessnalady : No news on this (formerly hot) topic? AM's website still doesn't show a thing... Almost 5 weeks before the much-publicized date for a maiden voyage...
98 Post contains links Centrair : Mexicana doesn't serve Japan. The flight (MX3845) is codeshared with JL/AA. It is a 744 to LAX. They list all airlines even those that are codeshare
99 Ghost77 : Checking out the Reservations Systems, flight its almost SOLD OUT!!! LF for the inaugural flight is near the 80s% and other days after Nov 16th have a
100 Marcus : I will be in Japan on May 07 so let's see what options do I have from my home airport TIJ, departure May 11th...........return May 23rd. AM TIJ-NRT (r
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