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Air France Expansion In Canada  
User currently offlineFLYYUL From Italy, joined Jun 2000, 5032 posts, RR: 50
Posted (15 years 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 2923 times:

According to a the Air France director of Canada, Air France is to add a 3rd flight to Montreal next summer with a Boeing 767-300er. This flight is shown on amadeus.net as AF348 and AF349.

They also want to add another flight to toronto. This flight does notshow yet but there is a clear intention to develop this service.

I do not understnad why Air France or Air Canada have no intentions in commencing a YYZ/YUL-Lyon/Nice flight, although the charters have the market at the moment, a Boeing 767 could suffice......Something to think about!


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User currently offlineAad665 From Germany, joined Dec 1999, 233 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (15 years 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 2823 times:


It's strange, I'm wondering the same thing. Why AC/Af don't flight to anothers city in France.

Also, why AC is not more agressive. They let the market at AF and AT. Strange.


User currently offlineCba From United States of America, joined Jul 2000, 4531 posts, RR: 2
Reply 2, posted (15 years 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 2818 times:

AC and AF would make a really good alliance. But that probably won't happen, as AC is already in the Star Alliance.

User currently offlineSn330 From Belgium, joined Nov 2004, 16 posts, RR: 1
Reply 3, posted (15 years 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 2803 times:

AF only flies to one French city from Montreal?! That is very puzzling, as Montreal has the worlds second largest french speaking population, city wise. I would think they would operate at least to Lyon, and maybe Marseilles.

User currently offlineMarco From United Arab Emirates, joined Jul 2000, 4169 posts, RR: 11
Reply 4, posted (15 years 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 2759 times:

This is obviously good news, so that means their two B747 flights this summer proved to be very profitable and their one A340 flight to Toronto must be doing well, cool!


Proud to be an Assyrian!
User currently offlineAFa340-300E From France, joined May 1999, 2084 posts, RR: 25
Reply 5, posted (15 years 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 2715 times:


Operating a flight from LYS (Lyon) or MRS (Marseille) would require to base a long-haul aircraft, and crews there. This would be costly, and there CDG hubs offers a great choice connections throughout the date to numerous French destinations (90% of the AF domestic network).

Air France and Air Canada used to have an alliance back in the early 1990s. But Air France was busy with recovering from heavy troubles, and AC decided to drop the alliance, because Air France had other, more important things to do to save their business.

For this winter, Air France will operate a Boeing 767-300ER on CDG-YYZ instead of the usual daily A340-300. This is probably because of an heavy check on an A340.

Best regards,
Alain Mengus

User currently offlineLouis From Canada, joined Oct 2005, 0 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (15 years 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 2708 times:

Someone on here posted that AC is pushing the Montreal Airports Authority to stop AF's second daily flight so that AC can start a second daily YUL-AC flight. Any truth to this rumor?

User currently offlinePolaris From Canada, joined Feb 2000, 1164 posts, RR: 1
Reply 7, posted (15 years 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 2707 times:

What authority does Aeroports de Montreal have over stopping AF service in favour of AC service? That is quite a bit of power for an airport authority. Highly unlikely.

User currently offlineLouis From Canada, joined Oct 2005, 0 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (15 years 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 2704 times:

I know, dude. It is strange. But someone on here, I think it was Slawko (if it isn't you, sorry), said that AC was pressuring Aeroports de Montreal to stop the second AF flight.

User currently offlineLouis From Canada, joined Oct 2005, 0 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (15 years 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 2701 times:

It was "Noise", not Slawko (sorry, man). And he said that AC was pressuring the French government to stop the second daily AF flight. Search this thread: Europe-Montreal

User currently offlineNoise From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 2055 posts, RR: 4
Reply 10, posted (15 years 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 2691 times:

I said that AC was pressuring the Canadian government to stop the second daily flight, not the French.

I don't know if that was true, though. I read about it on another message board. But it might be possible.

If you guys would want to know more on Montreal's Airports, you guys can go to http://www.cam.org/~hill/dorvalairport.html

On that site, you will find news pages, an ALWAYS active message board, photo galleries and much more. It is a great site.

User currently offlineNicolaki From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (15 years 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 2683 times:

AF/AC does not serve other cities in France for simple reasons. AF/CA is mostly made of business travellers, leisure travellers travel more with Air Transat, Royal or Canada 3000. I think Paris would have a higher business linkage with Montreal than any other cities in France.

Nicolas Bourbillon
Montreal, canada

User currently offlineFLYYUL From Italy, joined Jun 2000, 5032 posts, RR: 50
Reply 12, posted (15 years 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 2661 times:

Ac did pressure AF to cease their 2nd daily flight in the winter. It was quoted in the Globe & Mail and La Presse. AF flights in the winter aree always overbooked on a 747-400. They desperately need more capacity but the CTA did not allow more winter slots to AF.

AF can manage a flight to LYON. I dont care about Transat or Royal. If Toronto-Copenhagen and Toronto-Glasgow survive (there is all charters on that route), than A montreal-Lyon, (AF's 2nd hub) could survive..There is an oppurtunity for a 15-20% connection in Montreal possbility. What is ever worse is that lyon a city of a surronding of 2.5mil people, is only linked to New York JFK..........

In my oppurtunity, it something to be developed......


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