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BA New Config On Shorthaul Fleets Coming  
User currently offlineSpeedmarque From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2005, 684 posts, RR: 1
Posted (7 years 9 months 3 weeks 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 4907 times:

A321 - 1 Extra row of converter seats will be added to expand the available Club Cabin by 5 to 54 if needed.

A319/A320 - existing Y seats removed and "space saver" seats (as seen on A321) added. Also some converter seats will be removed and this will reduce the available club cabin by a few in favour of Y seats- this allows for 1 extra row on each a/c so now A319 will have 22 rows and A320 26 rows at a pitch of 30 Inch.

757 - Cloth seats removed from rear cabin (AT LAST!) and replaced with "space saver seats" allowing for 35 rows instead of 34.

Starts this week with the first A319. All mentioned above completed by end of first quarter of 2007.

Cheers

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User currently offlineCRJ900 From Norway, joined Jun 2004, 2169 posts, RR: 1
Reply 1, posted (7 years 9 months 3 weeks 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 4862 times:
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Quoting Speedmarque (Thread starter):
A319/A320 - existing Y seats removed and "space saver" seats (as seen on A321) added. Also some converter seats will be removed and this will reduce the available club cabin by a few in favour of Y seats- this allows for 1 extra row on each a/c so now A319 will have 22 rows and A320 26 rows at a pitch of 30 Inch.

Are the "space saver" seats on the A321 the Recaro ones? They look so amazing on the manufacturer's website...

30 inch pitch in Y... I can't wait to read the complaints from our USA-based a.netters who are "unbelievably cramped" when sitting in seats spaced at 31-32 inch pitch.  Wink Might BA lose a few pax because of this?



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User currently offlineCarduelis From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2001, 1585 posts, RR: 10
Reply 2, posted (7 years 9 months 3 weeks 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 4832 times:

See also:-

BA Club World/Club Europe Info. (by BAStew Sep 16 2006 in Civil Aviation)



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User currently offlineBA787 From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2006, 2596 posts, RR: 7
Reply 3, posted (7 years 9 months 3 weeks 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 4585 times:

I really think this is stupid. I think BA are tying to compete with the lccs which isn't possible due to their higher operating costs. Willie Walsh is taking BA the same way as EI and it just won't work. They need to concentrate on the business and higher quality, not fall into the lcc category

User currently offlineShamrock_747 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (7 years 9 months 3 weeks 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 4429 times:

Quoting BA787 (Reply 3):
I really think this is stupid. I think BA are tying to compete with the lccs which isn't possible due to their higher operating costs.

It is very much possible and it's working successfully. BA's shorthaul operation is now profitable for the first time in years, despite the fact the fares are lower than ever. Huge savings have been made at LGW with product and crew complement changes. Further changes are being trialled at LHR and will be introduced in the coming months.


User currently offlineA340600 From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2003, 4105 posts, RR: 52
Reply 5, posted (7 years 9 months 3 weeks 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 4419 times:

I doubt it will feel like that much difference between 30 and 31 inch pitch with the new space saver seats. Good move by BA, only issue is that this puts them with one of the lowest pitches of a full service carrier in Europe. If you want the 31, you'll just have to get on a 737 Wink

Sam



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User currently offlineWrighbrothers From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2005, 1875 posts, RR: 9
Reply 6, posted (7 years 9 months 3 weeks 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 4351 times:

Quoting BA787 (Reply 3):
I really think this is stupid

Perhaps it is, but in BA's eyes, it's extra seats, and extra profit, the noticeable difference between 30 and 31in isn't that much, they aren't changing the product and most travelers won't even know, or notice the difference, so it's not a huge deal for BA.
It's based on profit, and I doubt Willie Walsh really cares if you lose 1in of leg room if he can earn an few extra hundred pounds.

Quoting BA787 (Reply 3):
Willie Walsh is taking BA the same way as EI and it just won't work.

But the point is, EI are still around, he knows BA is different to EI, but he's doing what he knows best.

Quoting BA787 (Reply 3):
They need to concentrate on the business and higher quality, not fall into the lcc category

But high quality costs money, and you make that from selling seats, it's only 1in, they aren't changing the product itself.

Wrighbrothers



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User currently offlineBA787 From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2006, 2596 posts, RR: 7
Reply 7, posted (7 years 9 months 3 weeks 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 4266 times:

Quoting Wrighbrothers (Reply 6):

I admit that but I think all the European should still have club and first cabins as well. I don'tlike the BA Connect Formula


User currently offlineA340600 From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2003, 4105 posts, RR: 52
Reply 8, posted (7 years 9 months 3 weeks 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 4188 times:

Quoting Wrighbrothers (Reply 6):
if he can earn an few extra hundred pounds.

It'll earn a lot more than that!

Quoting BA787 (Reply 7):
I admit that but I think all the European should still have club and first cabins as well.

Whoever said they weren't going to have club? Also BA have never had F on shorthaul,

Sam



Despite the name I am a Boeing man through and through!
User currently offlineShamrock_747 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (7 years 9 months 3 weeks 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 4146 times:

Quoting A340600 (Reply 8):
Also BA have never had F on shorthaul,

Whilst there has been no F within Europe during your lifetime, go back a good few years and there was! Big grin


User currently offlineA340600 From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2003, 4105 posts, RR: 52
Reply 10, posted (7 years 9 months 3 weeks 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 4132 times:

Quoting Shamrock_747 (Reply 9):
Whilst there has been no F within Europe during your lifetime, go back a good few years and there was!

Yours neither b*** silly  I was waiting for you to reply with that just after I posted biggrin 



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User currently offlineJonno From United States of America, joined Apr 2006, 133 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (7 years 9 months 3 weeks 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 4023 times:

Just as long as there are no cutbacks in Club Europe - the only way to fly!!!!!!!

User currently offlineTristarSteve From Sweden, joined Nov 2005, 3970 posts, RR: 34
Reply 12, posted (7 years 9 months 3 weeks 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 3969 times:

Quoting A340600 (Reply 8):
Also BA have never had F on shorthaul



Quoting Shamrock_747 (Reply 9):
Whilst there has been no F within Europe during your lifetime, go back a good few years and there was

I have flown First class in a Trident from Stockholm to LHR in 1973. But it was BEA. Did First Class survive into BA times?


User currently offlineMRURUN From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2006, 155 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (7 years 9 months 3 weeks 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 3786 times:

Quoting BA787 (Reply 3):

He's balancing he costs and service issue. The fact is that pax are now very cost-conscious in the majority. However, an increasing majority still want some backup in customer services etc. Personally I did a NCL-BGY last week in the a.m and p.m LIN-LHR with BA. The seat pitch was noticably better on BA.


User currently offlineCraigW From South Africa, joined Aug 2005, 115 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (7 years 9 months 3 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 3693 times:

Frankly I'm amazed what passes for business class in Europe on the 2 - 4 hour sectors. Economy class seats with the middle seat blocked off? This was tried in SA when South African introduced the 737-800's but was vehemently opposed by the paying public. I had a recent flight on Air France in business from CDG to TUN and CMN to CDG. Both sectors were extremely uncomfortable especially being over 6ft tall. Thank goodness the food was good though! The tickets were expensiveand the business class cabin was full, why not then supply a decent business environment?

User currently offlineWrighbrothers From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2005, 1875 posts, RR: 9
Reply 15, posted (7 years 9 months 3 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 3662 times:

Quoting BA787 (Reply 7):
I admit that but I think all the European should still have club and first cabins as well. I don'tlike the BA Connect Formula

As A340600 said, BA aren't removing club, far from it, they're just adding seats, BA main line at LHR will still have club for a while yet.

Quoting TristarSteve (Reply 12):
Did First Class survive into BA times?

I think it did for a while, but was replaced, probably 1980's time.

Quoting A340600 (Reply 8):
It'll earn a lot more than that!

I know I know  Wink, I was talking on the cost per seat.

Wrighbrothers



Always stand up for what is right, even if it means standing alone..
User currently offlineAussiestu From Australia, joined Mar 2001, 780 posts, RR: 1
Reply 16, posted (7 years 9 months 3 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 3626 times:

The 30" pitch has still got to be good for those short European flights. I never understood why the pitch for European flights in Economy was 31" and yet that was also the pitch for longhaul flying in Economy.

When you look at the vast distances that you travel longhaul with BA and yet the difference in fares is big why do they offer the same space?

A 30" pitch in Economy for Europe is adequate but 31" for longhaul is appalling. BA needs to move with the times in this cabin.


User currently offlineVV701 From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2005, 7358 posts, RR: 17
Reply 17, posted (7 years 9 months 3 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 3508 times:

Quoting Speedmarque (Thread starter):
Starts this week with the first A319. All mentioned above completed by end of first quarter of 2007.

Do you know which one? Thanks.


User currently offlineTristarSteve From Sweden, joined Nov 2005, 3970 posts, RR: 34
Reply 18, posted (7 years 9 months 3 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 3413 times:

Remember that the 30" pitch economy seats are thinner than the 31" pitch long haul seat and the knee room is the same.

User currently offlineSpeedmarque From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2005, 684 posts, RR: 1
Reply 19, posted (7 years 9 months 3 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 3223 times:

Quoting VV701 (Reply 17):
Quoting Speedmarque (Thread starter):
Starts this week with the first A319. All mentioned above completed by end of first quarter of 2007.

Do you know which one? Thanks.

No idea, sorry.


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