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Aviateca 901 Accident Report, 11 Years Later  
User currently offlineCarmenlu15 From Guatemala, joined Dec 2004, 4760 posts, RR: 30
Posted (8 years 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 8852 times:

An interesting read for the Spanish speakers out there...

La Prensa Grafica in El Salvador has published a special report about the accident of Aviateca flight 901. This a/c, a B737-2H6, crashed near San Salvador on August 9, 1995, just before completing the second leg of its 'milk run' MIA-GUA-SAL-MGA-SJO.

http://www.laprensagrafica.com/especiales/2006/aviateca/default.asp

The voice recordings point out there was a lack of proper communication between the pilot and the tower, which might have led to the accident. Specifically, the tower advised the pilot to turn "left" in the understanding that he would take the south route; however, the pilot's "left" was actually to the north, thus he diverted from the intended course. When the "whoop whoop" warning sounded, he tried to gain altitude again, but it was too late by then...

The other black box containing the flight information was never found.

Here is some more info about the accident in English: http://aviation-safety.net/database/record.php?id=19950809-1&lang=en

I would be interested to know whether any of you remember this accident, and can add more information about it. Even though GU became part of Grupo Taca a short time later, the memory is still alive among the employees, especially the ones with more seniority. I had a supervisor at reservations, who remembered exactly what she was doing that night, and the conversation she had with a flight attendant before the f/a boarded this flight...

Also, how common are these errors in ATC-pilot communication? Particularly errors like in this case, where the exact location of the airplane was unclear to both the pilot and ATC.

Saludos,
Carmen


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User currently offline777jaah From Colombia, joined Jan 2006, 1403 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (8 years 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 8820 times:

Quoting Carmenlu15 (Thread starter):
Also, how common are these errors in ATC-pilot communication? Particularly errors like in this case, where the exact location of the airplane was unclear to both the pilot and ATC.

Maybe something similar (of course not the same) happened with AA 757 that crashed minutes before landing at CLO. Both pilots seemed to be lost and ATC never really knew where they were, because lack of radar, and trust what the pilots told him.

Pls, if I'm wrong, don't flame me..........

JAAH



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User currently offlineOPNLguy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (8 years 2 days ago) and read 8727 times:

There is a link to an English version of the report on that site...

http://www.laprensagrafica.com/especiales/2006/aviateca/Informe.pdf

The retired FAA Inspector on the jumpseat, Bob Miranda, gave me my Dispatcher Oral/Practical back in 1979. Great guy, and missed terribly by all that knew him. There were over 300 people at his funeral....


User currently offlineCarmenlu15 From Guatemala, joined Dec 2004, 4760 posts, RR: 30
Reply 3, posted (8 years 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 8570 times:

Quoting 777jaah (Reply 1):
Maybe something similar (of course not the same) happened with AA 757 that crashed minutes before landing at CLO. Both pilots seemed to be lost and ATC never really knew where they were, because lack of radar, and trust what the pilots told him.

You mean this one?

Seems in this case it was not really a misunderstanding of ATC's directions. But it's indeed similar in many aspects, including the end result...

An interesting note, SAL lacked a radar as well and only got one as a result of the GU accident.

Quoting OPNLguy (Reply 2):
There is a link to an English version of the report on that site...

Thanks for the link... I haven't finished reading the whole report yet (I'm posting this from work, and due to the slow connection I have to take some time at home to read it).



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User currently offlineGabo787 From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2006, 157 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (8 years 23 hours ago) and read 8510 times:

This is my first post after been a long time reader of this forum.

I remember something similar with a Sam 727 that crash near Medellin in 1992 or 93 I think, the pilots reported that they were over the Abejorral NDB Beacon, they were cleared to decent, but they were in another place and struck a mountain.
I was living in Colombia back then and I remember that accident like yesterday.



edited for spelling

[Edited 2006-09-21 21:38:25]

User currently offlineBuyantUkhaa From Mongolia, joined May 2004, 2899 posts, RR: 3
Reply 5, posted (8 years 22 hours ago) and read 8480 times:

Quoting Carmenlu15 (Thread starter):
Also, how common are these errors in ATC-pilot communication? Particularly errors like in this case, where the exact location of the airplane was unclear to both the pilot and ATC.

Well, in a way the ultimate example must be KLM/PanAm at Tenerife in 1977, where the exact location of the OTHER plane was unclear to pilot and tower...



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User currently offlineTACAA320 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (8 years 19 hours ago) and read 8403 times:

I vivid remember this sad accident.

Even more sad the time took for the investigation.


User currently offlineCarmenlu15 From Guatemala, joined Dec 2004, 4760 posts, RR: 30
Reply 7, posted (8 years 4 hours ago) and read 8294 times:

Quoting Gabo787 (Reply 4):
This is my first post after been a long time reader of this forum

Bienvenido!  wave 

Quoting BuyantUkhaa (Reply 5):
Well, in a way the ultimate example must be KLM/PanAm at Tenerife in 1977, where the exact location of the OTHER plane was unclear to pilot and tower...

Indeed, a terrible occurrence... That was the accident with the most fatalities ever, right?

Quoting TACAA320 (Reply 6):
I vivid remember this sad accident.

Even more sad the time took for the investigation.

Just curious, how long did it take?



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User currently offlineTACAA320 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (8 years 4 hours ago) and read 8273 times:

Quoting Carmenlu15 (Reply 7):
Just curious, how long did it take?

A friend of mine, A CM pilot [former LR's one] told me that the first investigations [several ones are necessary before issue a finalo report] took more than 4 years.


User currently offlineCarmenlu15 From Guatemala, joined Dec 2004, 4760 posts, RR: 30
Reply 9, posted (7 years 12 months 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 8166 times:

Quoting TACAA320 (Reply 8):

A friend of mine, A CM pilot [former LR's one] told me that the first investigations [several ones are necessary before issue a finalo report] took more than 4 years.

Four years?! Whoa...

Then again, I can imagine it wouldn't be an easy task with one of the black boxes missing.

Edited for typo

[Edited 2006-09-23 08:02:50]


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User currently offlineRootsAir From Costa Rica, joined Feb 2005, 4186 posts, RR: 40
Reply 10, posted (7 years 12 months 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 8125 times:

Quoting Carmenlu15 (Thread starter):
'milk run' MIA-GUA-SAL-MGA-SJO.

that was one thing people found frustrating but I would have loved to make so many stopovers



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User currently offlineQantas744ER From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 1286 posts, RR: 4
Reply 11, posted (7 years 12 months 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 8121 times:

that was a very sad crash and i really feel sorry for the people that lost their lives.

Cheers Leo



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