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How Is DL (Connection) Doing On LGA-DFW  
User currently offlineJr From United States of America, joined May 1999, 967 posts, RR: 6
Posted (7 years 7 months 1 week 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 4527 times:

Flew on the DL connection route from DFW to LGA and back this weekend. The flights had about 25-30 empty seats in each direction. How is this route doing for DL? Is it expected to stay for the long run? With all the JFK expansion are there any plans of a possible DFW-JFK route addition or maybe even a move of the LGA route to JFK?

Thanks.


I've flown on 9V-SPK.
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User currently offline28thguy From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 114 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (7 years 7 months 1 week 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 4378 times:

I don't know LGA-DFW is doing, but I'd bet a dollar that it would be discontinued if AA dropped LGA-ATL.

User currently offlineAkizidy214 From Jamaica, joined Sep 2006, 408 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (7 years 7 months 1 week 1 day ago) and read 4339 times:

Its kind of hard to compete when AA has 15 daily departures and Delta has 3. Also don't forget about CO with there 6 daily departures to EWR. I don't think this route will be around much longer for Delta. On the JFK situation look for B6 to try JFK-DFW before delta. They are just waiting, for the final decision on the wright amendment.


DCA
User currently offlineWorldTraveler From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (7 years 7 months 1 week 1 day ago) and read 4315 times:

AA already flies JFK-DFW which makes it even less attractive for DL or B6.

The point of both DL's ORDLGA and LGADFW service as well as AA's ATLLGA service is so both carriers can serve the top 10 markets from LGA. DL is using E170s on both AA hub flights while AA has a mix of RJs and mainline so neither airline is spending a whole lot of resources on the service. From a strategic standpoint, it's probably worth it for both carriers.


User currently offlineJFKLGANYC From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 3182 posts, RR: 5
Reply 4, posted (7 years 7 months 1 week 1 day ago) and read 4308 times:

"I don't know LGA-DFW is doing, but I'd bet a dollar that it would be discontinued if AA dropped LGA-ATL."

AA will not be dropping that route anytime soon. LGA-ATL is a cash cow. The flights are always, always full. They even upgraded some of the Eagle flights to MD 80s.


As for DL doing LGA-DFW 3x a day, even when DFW was a hub, DL had mailine service 4x a day on the route.

I am quite surprised that DL doesn't have 2 a day to JFK.

PJ


User currently offlineAkizidy214 From Jamaica, joined Sep 2006, 408 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (7 years 7 months 1 week 1 day ago) and read 4289 times:

Quoting JFKLGANYC (Reply 4):
AA will not be dropping that route anytime soon. LGA-ATL is a cash cow. The flights are always, always full. They even upgraded some of the Eagle flights to MD 80s.

AA isn't doing that well on this route. Sometimes MD 80's only have 40-50 passengers. But I agree they will not discontinue the route.

[Edited 2006-09-21 01:28:48]


DCA
User currently offlineLGA777 From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 1138 posts, RR: 20
Reply 6, posted (7 years 7 months 1 week 23 hours ago) and read 4208 times:

I am sure the folks who work at DL LGA probably wish it would go away. I don't think operator Shuttle America is doing a great job on on time performance, and DL's LGA Terminal is often short on gates. The 170 parks on a regular jetway gate, whereas the Comair CRJ-700's and smaller park on the hardstand. Because of the frequent delays it is not uncommon, in fact almost routine for a 757 to be holding for the gate the 170 is on to open up ! At least the ORD 170's are out of the way at the Marine Air Terminal, a smart move I believe on DL's part !

Regards

LGA777


User currently offlineCubsrule From United States of America, joined May 2004, 22320 posts, RR: 20
Reply 7, posted (7 years 7 months 1 week 22 hours ago) and read 4154 times:

If l/fs are any indication, the ORD flights are doing fairly well. If DL can do all right there with far less frequency, the lack of frequency to DFW might not be as much of a handicap as we think.


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User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32215 posts, RR: 72
Reply 8, posted (7 years 7 months 1 week 22 hours ago) and read 4147 times:

Quoting JFKLGANYC (Reply 4):
AA will not be dropping that route anytime soon. LGA-ATL is a cash cow. The flights are always, always full. They even upgraded some of the Eagle flights to MD 80s.

The flights do well, but it is not a "cash cow" and they haven't upgraded anything. It has been 3x mainline/2x Eagle since launch.



a.
User currently offlineLuv2fly From United States of America, joined May 2003, 12090 posts, RR: 50
Reply 9, posted (7 years 7 months 1 week 22 hours ago) and read 4112 times:

Quoting WorldTraveler (Reply 3):
From a strategic standpoint, it's probably worth it for both carriers.

Yes it is that thinking that lead them into bankruptcy! Run a flight because it makes you money, not because another carrier is flying into your precious hub.



You can cut the irony with a knife
User currently offlineSESGDL From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 3453 posts, RR: 10
Reply 10, posted (7 years 7 months 1 week 21 hours ago) and read 4073 times:

Quoting Jr (Thread starter):
With all the JFK expansion are there any plans of a possible DFW-JFK route addition or maybe even a move of the LGA route to JFK?

I wouldn't be at all surprised to see a JFK-DFW with an E-170 or CRJ-700 in the next year or so, to connect with the European flights. It would leave JFK at 6-7pm and leave DFW the next day at 11-12:00n or so, getting into NYC in time for all the European flights. It would probably be smart to shift aircraft from one of the LGA-DFW flights in order to reduce the ground time of the plane. We'll see though.

Jeremy


User currently offlineS5FA170 From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 534 posts, RR: 4
Reply 11, posted (7 years 7 months 1 week 21 hours ago) and read 4064 times:

Shuttle America's on-time performance is right up there with Comair, ASA and SkyWest. Our performance is not any better or any worse than their's is. Everytime I have worked a DFW<->LGA flight we have been on-time. The only time I have ever been delayed on that route was when a ramper at DFW disconnected ground-power from our aircraft before our captain told us to, and the aircraft's computers shut-down because of it.

-Tony



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User currently offlineDILF From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (7 years 7 months 1 week 21 hours ago) and read 4000 times:

For what it's worth, I flew this route on Shuttle America/Delta Connection RT once and was very, very impressed with both the crew and aircraft. The flight down was about 60% or so full, but the return was a good deal more than that.

Great service - and tho that was my only experience with S5, i'd say they certainly have their act together! If only it were poss for S5 to replace Messy within the DL system !!!


User currently offlineEx NWA From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 116 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (7 years 7 months 1 week 20 hours ago) and read 3936 times:

I'll be doing Shuttle America DFW-MCO Friday 9/22 in the AM. I will post a trip report to let you know my thoughts

User currently offlineN839mh From United States of America, joined Mar 2001, 365 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (7 years 7 months 1 week 17 hours ago) and read 3847 times:

As for DFW-LGA....Shuttle America has been pathetic....their ontime performance is awfull, the delays and cancellations...unbelievable!!!!
Half the time S5 doesn't have a clue on whats going on and when there
flights will leave NY or arrive in DFW. Since they have been flying
LGA-DFW-LGA they have only been able to muster a 39.4% load factor
for 24 weeks of service!

Solution: One morning flight MCO-DFW-LGA (E170)
One morning flight DFW-JFK (MD88 or B738)
One morning flight LGA-DFW-MCO (E170)

The last flight of the night DFW-LGA...get rid of that flight. It has a ontime
percentage in the low 20%, with a load factor of 39.4% for the first 24 weeks.
S5 is just not dependable or reliable to offer customer service for which Delta is trying to provide!



Solodude!
User currently offlinePanamair From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 4800 posts, RR: 25
Reply 15, posted (7 years 7 months 1 week 17 hours ago) and read 3844 times:
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Quoting N839mh (Reply 14):
Since they have been flying
LGA-DFW-LGA they have only been able to muster a 39.4% load factor
for 24 weeks of service!

It is not S5's responsibility to market and sell the flight; they are contracted to do the flying. It is Delta's responsibility to improve the loads.


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