Jr From United States of America, joined May 1999, 972 posts, RR: 5 Posted (8 years 9 months 3 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 5375 times:
Flew on the DL connection route from DFW to LGA and back this weekend. The flights had about 25-30 empty seats in each direction. How is this route doing for DL? Is it expected to stay for the long run? With all the JFK expansion are there any plans of a possible DFW-JFK route addition or maybe even a move of the LGA route to JFK?
Akizidy214 From Jamaica, joined Sep 2006, 408 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (8 years 9 months 3 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 5187 times:
Its kind of hard to compete when AA has 15 daily departures and Delta has 3. Also don't forget about CO with there 6 daily departures to EWR. I don't think this route will be around much longer for Delta. On the JFK situation look for B6 to try JFK-DFW before delta. They are just waiting, for the final decision on the wright amendment.
WorldTraveler From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (8 years 9 months 3 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 5163 times:
AA already flies JFK-DFW which makes it even less attractive for DL or B6.
The point of both DL's ORDLGA and LGADFW service as well as AA's ATLLGA service is so both carriers can serve the top 10 markets from LGA. DL is using E170s on both AA hub flights while AA has a mix of RJs and mainline so neither airline is spending a whole lot of resources on the service. From a strategic standpoint, it's probably worth it for both carriers.
LGA777 From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 1149 posts, RR: 18
Reply 6, posted (8 years 9 months 3 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 5056 times:
I am sure the folks who work at DL LGA probably wish it would go away. I don't think operator Shuttle America is doing a great job on on time performance, and DL's LGA Terminal is often short on gates. The 170 parks on a regular jetway gate, whereas the Comair CRJ-700's and smaller park on the hardstand. Because of the frequent delays it is not uncommon, in fact almost routine for a 757 to be holding for the gate the 170 is on to open up ! At least the ORD 170's are out of the way at the Marine Air Terminal, a smart move I believe on DL's part !
SESGDL From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 3522 posts, RR: 9
Reply 10, posted (8 years 9 months 3 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 4921 times:
Quoting Jr (Thread starter): With all the JFK expansion are there any plans of a possible DFW-JFK route addition or maybe even a move of the LGA route to JFK?
I wouldn't be at all surprised to see a JFK-DFW with an E-170 or CRJ-700 in the next year or so, to connect with the European flights. It would leave JFK at 6-7pm and leave DFW the next day at 11-12:00n or so, getting into NYC in time for all the European flights. It would probably be smart to shift aircraft from one of the LGA-DFW flights in order to reduce the ground time of the plane. We'll see though.
S5FA170 From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 534 posts, RR: 4
Reply 11, posted (8 years 9 months 3 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 4912 times:
Shuttle America's on-time performance is right up there with Comair, ASA and SkyWest. Our performance is not any better or any worse than their's is. Everytime I have worked a DFW<->LGA flight we have been on-time. The only time I have ever been delayed on that route was when a ramper at DFW disconnected ground-power from our aircraft before our captain told us to, and the aircraft's computers shut-down because of it.
DILF From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (8 years 9 months 3 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 4848 times:
For what it's worth, I flew this route on Shuttle America/Delta Connection RT once and was very, very impressed with both the crew and aircraft. The flight down was about 60% or so full, but the return was a good deal more than that.
Great service - and tho that was my only experience with S5, i'd say they certainly have their act together! If only it were poss for S5 to replace Messy within the DL system !!!
N839mh From United States of America, joined Mar 2001, 379 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (8 years 9 months 3 weeks ago) and read 4695 times:
As for DFW-LGA....Shuttle America has been pathetic....their ontime performance is awfull, the delays and cancellations...unbelievable!!!!
Half the time S5 doesn't have a clue on whats going on and when there
flights will leave NY or arrive in DFW. Since they have been flying
LGA-DFW-LGA they have only been able to muster a 39.4% load factor
for 24 weeks of service!
Solution: One morning flight MCO-DFW-LGA (E170)
One morning flight DFW-JFK (MD88 or B738)
One morning flight LGA-DFW-MCO (E170)
The last flight of the night DFW-LGA...get rid of that flight. It has a ontime
percentage in the low 20%, with a load factor of 39.4% for the first 24 weeks.
S5 is just not dependable or reliable to offer customer service for which Delta is trying to provide!