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Monarch To Start Flights To Virginia From Kent!  
User currently offlineJetset7E7 From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2004, 1090 posts, RR: 15
Posted (7 years 9 months 3 weeks 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 6511 times:

Fromhttp://www.kentinternationalairport-manston.com

COSMOS ANNOUNCE TRANSATLANTIC FLIGHTS FROM KIA

The UK’s largest independent tour operator, Cosmos Holidays, and its sister airline, Monarch, are set to introduce direct transatlantic flights between Kent International and Virginia next year.

The weekly charter flights will establish the first direct passenger link between the United States and Kent, and they will coincide with the 400th anniversary of the founding of the first permanent settlement at Jamestown USA – essentially the country’s birthplace!

Initially operating from 3 May 2007 on a Wednesday, the flights will run over a 26 week period between Kent International Airport and Norfolk Airport, Virginia.

The tour operator will produce a dedicated brochure offering a tailored range of holiday options including multi-centre, fly-drive, self-drive and escorted tours, packages, flight only and accommodation-only.

In addition to the anniversary celebrations, the area’s attractions and places of interest will be incorporated into the programme including Virginia Beach, Richmond, Williamsburg, the Blue Ridge Mountains, Charlottesville, Washington D.C and Myrtle Beach as well as the theme parks, beaches and historic buildings.

Terry Williamson, Managing Director of Cosmos Holidays, said: “As one of Kent’s leading tour operators for nearly 50 years, we are delighted to be launching this programme from Kent International.

“It is indeed an exciting development for both ourselves and the Kent International area. Virginia offers a huge array of attractions and places of interest and given the 400th anniversary celebrations it is an excellent time to launch this service.”


Looks like Monarch are keeping the 767 after all!

Interesting route but from Manston its still beyond me!

Mark


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User currently offlineZBA320 From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2006, 122 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (7 years 9 months 3 weeks 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 6504 times:

Good news for Manston.  Smile

Odd route and a bit of a surprise but still good!



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User currently offlineFCA787 From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2006, 19 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (7 years 9 months 3 weeks 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 6456 times:

Could a Monarch Airbus A300 operate the route non-stop?

Cheers


User currently onlineHumberside From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2005, 4917 posts, RR: 4
Reply 3, posted (7 years 9 months 3 weeks 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 6432 times:

Quoting Jetset7E7 (Thread starter):
Interesting route but from Manston its still beyond me!

I believe it has Kent County Council funding



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User currently offlineJetset7E7 From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2004, 1090 posts, RR: 15
Reply 4, posted (7 years 9 months 3 weeks 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 6418 times:

Quoting FCA787 (Reply 2):
Could a Monarch Airbus A300 operate the route non-stop?

The route is to be operated by the 767-300.

Mark



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User currently offlineVasu From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2005, 3849 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (7 years 9 months 3 weeks 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 6210 times:

Quoting Humberside (Reply 3):
I believe it has Kent County Council funding

Kent and Virginia have long-standing ties (Princess Pocohontas travelled from Virginia, I believe, and was buried in my home town of Gravesend, Kent).

They hope that the cultural ties will create a market between the people of Kent and the people of Virginia...

... well it worked on me! I'll be a-booking!

I think charter is what Manston needs... if they get charter services to some of the more popular holiday destinations from major tour operators, people will almost be "forced" to fly from Kent when they book their holidays!


User currently offlineDeltaSFO From United States of America, joined Nov 2000, 2488 posts, RR: 22
Reply 6, posted (7 years 9 months 3 weeks 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 6173 times:

Quoting Jetset7E7 (Thread starter):
Jamestown USA – essentially the country’s birthplace!

Now that is what you call a historically questionable statement.

[Edited 2006-09-21 11:49:31]


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User currently offlineFlymya380 From United Kingdom, joined May 2006, 53 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (7 years 9 months 3 weeks 3 days ago) and read 6127 times:

Cosmos holidays do a lot of escorted coach tours in the USA so this could be very benificial to them. It might bring the holiday prices down a bit if there not using sheduled airlines.


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User currently offlineMyt332 From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2003, 9112 posts, RR: 71
Reply 8, posted (7 years 9 months 3 weeks 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 6109 times:

Isn't there any better place Monarch could send the plane rather than from nowhere to nowhere?

I just don't think Pocahontas will be enough to draw in hundreds of visitors to Virginia from Kent? Sorry for the sarcasm but I just don't get this. It seems, BMI esque.  Wink



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User currently offlineBigOrange From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 2364 posts, RR: 3
Reply 9, posted (7 years 9 months 3 weeks 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 5947 times:

There is also the cruise market at both Dover and Norfolk which might attract some passengers for the flight.

User currently onlineERJ170 From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 6747 posts, RR: 18
Reply 10, posted (7 years 9 months 2 weeks 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 5711 times:

ORF-KENT will be offered by Monarch 1x weekly .

Service commences May 2007 - Oct 2007, with the options for yearly service should the flight do well. Also an option to upgrade to the 330 should the flight do well. Not only does it benefity Norfolk, Williamsburg, and Virginia Beach.. but also the Outer Banks of North Carlina. So I believe that if they can sell those 4 destinations well, it should do okay. And it is the right season for all 4 destinations.

Perhaps OBX and VB will become as popular across the pond as it is for MidAtlantic east coast..

Shedules looks like:

Kent-ORF 12:30pm - 3:50pm
ORF-Kent 5:30pm - 6:00am

I hope this route does well. Looks like ORF is offering $750,000, but who cares? They are getting some UK flights which every US airport strives for. Cool and Good luck.



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User currently offlineFCA787 From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2006, 19 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (7 years 9 months 2 weeks 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 5540 times:

As this will only be a weekly flight will the crew stay in Virginia for the whole week and then fly back a week later, as they couldnt do the return journey aswell could they?

User currently offlineJetset7E7 From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2004, 1090 posts, RR: 15
Reply 12, posted (7 years 9 months 2 weeks 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 5461 times:

Quoting FCA787 (Reply 11):
As this will only be a weekly flight will the crew stay in Virginia for the whole week and then fly back a week later, as they couldnt do the return journey aswell could they?

Yes the crew will stay over for a week

Mark



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User currently offlineMasseyBrown From United States of America, joined Dec 2002, 5348 posts, RR: 7
Reply 13, posted (7 years 9 months 2 weeks 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 5433 times:

Quoting Myt332 (Reply 8):
Isn't there any better place Monarch could send the plane rather than from nowhere to nowhere?

Norfolk isn't that small an area any more. With a little help from Richmond, they should easily be able to support a once-a-week UK flight during the peak season; the novelty alone will have some appeal. Add in a few Brits visiting Virginia and the 767 is full - it's not THAT many seats. Plus it's being subsidized by civic agencies on both ends. Monarch is going to make money.



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User currently offlineBY738 From Tonga, joined Sep 2000, 2234 posts, RR: 1
Reply 14, posted (7 years 9 months 2 weeks 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 5433 times:

Quoting ERJ170 (Reply 10):

Flight is unpractical, uses to much resources, positioning, crewing ( with crew out of action for 7 days, and local authority subsidised. Watch it last for one season max.


User currently offlineJetset7E7 From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2004, 1090 posts, RR: 15
Reply 15, posted (7 years 9 months 2 weeks 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 5415 times:

Quoting BY738 (Reply 14):
with crew out of action for 7 days

This happens when a flight is sent to GOI, SFB, CUN etc. As the flights are once weekly, so I can't see another flight really mattering that much. I hope they do well on the route.

Mark



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User currently offlineBY738 From Tonga, joined Sep 2000, 2234 posts, RR: 1
Reply 16, posted (7 years 9 months 2 weeks 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 5398 times:

Quoting Jetset7E7 (Reply 15):

You cant consider these the same as the Manston route. Most of the other routes are operated from main bases and SFB and CUN have a number of flights from UK airports with MON every week and so crews are routed back and forward. There will be very few with crew stop overs this long from main bases never mind from Manston. Its a logistical nightmare that will have required MON to receive significant extra funding


User currently onlineERJ170 From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 6747 posts, RR: 18
Reply 17, posted (7 years 9 months 2 weeks 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 5394 times:

Quoting BY738 (Reply 14):
Flight is unpractical, uses to much resources, positioning, crewing ( with crew out of action for 7 days, and local authority subsidised. Watch it last for one season max.

How so? I'm sure the ground will be outsources as will the gate.. Norfolk is not an expensive place so having a crew layover won't cost that much. Or the crew could non-rev back on plenty of flight out of Norfolk back to the UK. And the subsidizing means the flight is paid for.

I hope it does well. I think it would probably do best as seasonal flights, but I think it could potentially make it.. and I hope by season 2 it can make it without a subsidy. all they need is some good marketing of the Norfolk, Virginia Beach, Outer Banks area for the ORF side.. and whatever Kent and its surrounding areas have to offer..

I feel optimistic..



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User currently offlineBY738 From Tonga, joined Sep 2000, 2234 posts, RR: 1
Reply 18, posted (7 years 9 months 2 weeks 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 5380 times:

Quoting ERJ170 (Reply 17):
plenty of flight out of Norfolk back to the UK

From where ......?


User currently offlineMyt332 From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2003, 9112 posts, RR: 71
Reply 19, posted (7 years 9 months 2 weeks 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 5380 times:

Quoting ERJ170 (Reply 17):
and whatever Kent and its surrounding areas have to offer

France and sea.



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User currently onlineERJ170 From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 6747 posts, RR: 18
Reply 20, posted (7 years 9 months 2 weeks 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 5357 times:

Quoting BY738 (Reply 18):
From where ......?

American through JFK
United through IAD
Continental through EWR
Delta through ATL/JFK
USAirways through PHL
Northwest through DTW

non-reving shouldn't be a problem..



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User currently offlineBY738 From Tonga, joined Sep 2000, 2234 posts, RR: 1
Reply 21, posted (7 years 9 months 2 weeks 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 5346 times:

Quoting ERJ170 (Reply 17):
plenty of flight out of Norfolk

There are no other flights from Norfolk to UK, and few if any from Virginia as a whole.

Quoting ERJ170 (Reply 20):

American through JFK
United through IAD
Continental through EWR
Delta through ATL/JFK
USAirways through PHL
Northwest through DTW

So they would need to be routed through a different state.....


User currently offlineJetset7E7 From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2004, 1090 posts, RR: 15
Reply 22, posted (7 years 9 months 2 weeks 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 5226 times:

The Monarch flight will no doubt start from MAN or LGW, and position down to MSE. So the crew will be from the main bases. They will more than likely take an engineer onboard with them, as they do on the Goa flight, as G-DIMB is not the most reliable aircraft in the fleet.

Mark



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User currently onlineERJ170 From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 6747 posts, RR: 18
Reply 23, posted (7 years 9 months 2 weeks 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 5128 times:

Quoting BY738 (Reply 21):
So they would need to be routed through a different state

IAD is in Virginia.. but that is correct. There are no other ORF-UK flights. But unless you live near one of the big hubs in the US.. you will be routed through a hub. It happens. No big deal.



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User currently offlineCumulus From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2006, 1402 posts, RR: 1
Reply 24, posted (7 years 9 months 2 weeks 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 5113 times:

Quoting Vasu (Reply 5):
Princess Pocohontas

Is that the same as in the cartoon movie?



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25 Kaputt : The Norfolk/Virginia Beach area is not a "nowhere" town. Virginia Beach by itself is the largest city in Virginia. And the VA Beach/Norfolk area combi
26 ERJ170 : According to the ORF press release, it has the options of becoming year-round or a yearly seasonal flight depending on how well it does..
27 FCA787 : I didnt realise they take an Engineer with them. Do their aircraft break down as regular as that to warrent a Flight Engineer on board? Cheers
28 Post contains images Vasu : Yep, though she looked a bit different in real life!
29 Post contains images ManchesterMAN : Would it not be cheaper to fly them down to Florida to operate back to LGW or MAN from there the next day (or day after that?) IAD-LHR had quite a fe
30 Post contains images ZBA320 : Out of interest, where is the lone Monarch 767 based? MAN, LTN or LGW?
31 Vasu : I thought MYT was taking back their 767s?
32 VC10 : If the aircraft is a B767 then it will be a Ground Engineer and not a F/E, otherwise I would drag myself out of retirement for a stay in Virginia wit
33 Vasu : It does look good... I was a bit dubious at first, but after looking at the Cosmos website, it looks like a really good place to go!
34 Catflap : You all seem to be labouring under the misapprehension that this flight will land in Virginia and will stay for a week. It won't. The intention is for
35 Jetset7E7 : It is based at MAN and LGW, rotates around. I thought they were, as they are losing 2 A330's in November, but obviously not Nobody said they, they we
36 Rdwootty : Remember that this flight is sold BOTH ways so filling a 767 should not be a problem. I already have sold three families who want to go to USA but hav
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