DeltaSFO From United States, joined Nov 2000, 2488 posts, RR: 32 Reply 5, posted (3 years 2 months 1 week 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 7150 times:
Interesting. I see that they are -M2 customer designators, so direct build for DT. Are they direct ordered or through a leasing company?
GE powered 772ERs... some interesting possibilities as to where they may end up.
Very unfortunate if they indeed do not end up taking the a/c. Angola is experiencing explosive economic growth and these a/c would have improved the quality of air service there tremendously.
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Kaitak744 From United States, joined Jul 2005, 1987 posts, RR: 3 Reply 9, posted (3 years 2 months 1 week 6 days ago) and read 6986 times:
Quoting Clickhappy (Thread starter): Just heard from a source at an outside paint facility that Boeing is sending 2 777s and 2 73NGs to be stripped and repainted out of TAAGs colors.
Does this just mean that TAAG decided to paint their new aircraft in a new livery? It was much rumored that they would get a new livery at the time of purchase of these aircraft.
Srbmod From United States, joined Mar 2001, 14245 posts, RR: 62 Reply 10, posted (3 years 2 months 1 week 6 days ago) and read 6976 times:
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Quoting DeltaSFO (Reply 5): Are they direct ordered or through a leasing company?
They were probably ordered directly, as typically a/c ordered through a leasing company (in the case of Boeing a/c) will have the leasing company's code. For example, AirTran's 73G fleet is a mix of owned and leased a/c. The 73Gs they ordered directly have their code (which is BD) and the ones they are leasing from GECAS have their code (6N).
Thomasphoto60 From United States, joined Jan 2000, 3325 posts, RR: 31 Reply 13, posted (3 years 2 months 1 week 6 days ago) and read 6867 times:
Well if this is true and TAAG has cancelled those orders, looks like all the big talk of expansion to the US/UK and other markets are off. Should be interesting to see what unfolds in the coming days and weeks.
Stitch From United States, joined Jul 2005, 16028 posts, RR: 64 Reply 14, posted (3 years 2 months 1 week 6 days ago) and read 6813 times:
Quoting Scaledesigns (Reply 4): Im suprised Boeing would build them without financing already in place.
By the time they visit the paint shop, they're pretty close to being paid for, so I can only guess DT found a buyer who needs a new GE-powered 772ER immediately and gave DT at least what they paid for it.
I just can't see DT defaulting on a nearly paid airplane, so it has to be some type of re-sale deal?
A388 From Netherlands Antilles, joined May 2001, 5783 posts, RR: 14 Reply 17, posted (3 years 2 months 1 week 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 6655 times:
This indeed is very surprising! What happened at DT that they don't take these aircraft anymore....?
777MechSys From United States, joined Apr 2006, 350 posts, RR: 2 Reply 18, posted (3 years 2 months 1 week 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 6617 times:
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Quoting Clickhappy (Reply 11): After stripping and painting (all white?) they will be placed into storage
I would be willing to bet there is a customer for them.
I think the stripping and repaint is happening too quickly for storage. I know Boeing's paint hangers are completely booked. Especially with one closed for 787 retrofit.
If there isn't a customer I would image it would look like the KC767 on their flightline. Mostly complete with thick primer and no engines.
B777a3330 From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2006, 9 posts, RR: 0 Reply 19, posted (3 years 2 months 1 week 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 6617 times:
that is not true, taag will take these aircrafts in October or November, the reasons for the late delivery of these aircrafts to taag is that they don't have enough qualified personel to operate them, they are still in the process of training cabin crew at boeing to operate the new aircrafts, which will be accomplished by October.
LTU932 From Germany, joined Jan 2006, 12241 posts, RR: 57 Reply 20, posted (3 years 2 months 1 week 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 6617 times:
Quoting Srbmod (Reply 10): typically a/c ordered through a leasing company (in the case of Boeing a/c) will have the leasing company's code.
Not always. For example, AF has most, if not all, of their 77Ws on lease from ILFC, yet they all are designated -328ERs, 28 being AF's customer code at Boeing. This probably means that even if their aircraft is acquired directly from the manufacturer through a leasing company, they might still wear the customer code of the airline who leased the aircraft and not that of the lessor. It probably depends on the terms of the leasing contract, which for new built aircraft includes whether the aircraft should be customised for the lessor or the airline which is leasing it.
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ATLFlyer323 From United States, joined Jan 2005, 438 posts, RR: 1 Reply 21, posted (3 years 2 months 1 week 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 6606 times:
Since no one else has said it I guess I will, are you sure this isn't just a rumor? I hate to be the downer...but it just doesn't make sense. I really hope its not true.
DeltaSFO From United States, joined Nov 2000, 2488 posts, RR: 32 Reply 22, posted (3 years 2 months 1 week 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 6562 times:
Quoting LTU932 (Reply 20): Not always. For example, AF has most, if not all, of their 77Ws on lease from ILFC, yet they all are designated -328ERs, 28 being AF's customer code at Boeing.
That's why I asked.
Seems hard to believe that someone approached them cold with an offer for the T7s if they are also getting rid of the 737s. Something must have gone wrong--either the deal somehow fell through, or something happened internally at TAAG that caused them to decide they no longer wanted the a/c. Either would probably have caused Boeing and/or TAAG to quietly put out some feelers to see who was interested in the a/c.
I know 772ERs are a high demand item, but if TAAG indeed planned on taking the a/c with no reservations, I imagine it would have to have been one very handsome sum to convince them to part with those T7s.
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LTU932 From Germany, joined Jan 2006, 12241 posts, RR: 57 Reply 23, posted (3 years 2 months 1 week 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 6551 times:
Quoting ATLFlyer323 (Reply 21): Since no one else has said it I guess I will, are you sure this isn't just a rumor? I hate to be the downer...but it just doesn't make sense.
Generally, the sources Royal quotes are pretty reliable.
777MechSys From United States, joined Apr 2006, 350 posts, RR: 2 Reply 25, posted (3 years 2 months 1 week 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 6486 times:
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Quoting ATLFlyer323 (Reply 21): Since no one else has said it I guess I will, are you sure this isn't just a rumor?
The aircraft in question are scheduled to be stripped and repainted.
Quoting B777a3330 (Reply 19): that is not true, taag will take these aircrafts in October or November, ... which will be accomplished by October.
Keep an eye on Boeing's flightline and flight plans out of KPAE. They will leave for YXX by the end of September. Maybe even the first of October.
26 MaverickM11: I'd be more surprised if DT actually took delivery of the new aircraft.
27 Tp777: Guys don´t forget that DT is a state owned company by the goverment of Angola wich has a lot of under the table negotiations with the US because of
28 KBFIspotter: I was wondering why a DT 73NG was parked on the far end of the Goodrich ramp at KPAE... This would explain it. I will have stop by the paint shop and
29 Drewfly: So, are you saying that AC is going to be getting some 777s earlier than expected?
30 MauriceB: Well think KLM would be interested for sure. They are still facing a hugh shortage of planes, if flown KLM 2 times this summer, and both times we had
31 777MechSys: No. They are going to be repainted there. Boeing's paint hangers are too busy.
32 Drewfly: Ah thanks So.....brand new GE powered 777s, someone is getting a sweet deal *cough*TAM*cough Just my
33 The777Man: It would be too bad if TAAG didn't take delivery of these 777s. The livery looks fantastic ! Let's hope it's just a delay like B777a3330 said and the
34 777MechSys: That is always a possibility. Either way I will have to take pictures of it again.
35 MaverickM11: That wouldn't surprise me either. Corrupt as the sky is blue. But...one of the hallmarks of corruption is that deals can be ended/reversed/changed wh
38 777MechSys: Maybe they aren't. I'm certain he doesn't have just 1 source. I am also certain his source is more credible than some random bum on the street corner
39 Clickhappy: Maybe my sources (with an s) are wrong, but we shall see. I am awaiting official word from Boeing.
40 RobK: I agree that Royal's sources are usually reliable but I have to say I'm a bit sceptical about this one too. My own Boeing source has said pretty much
41 Beech19: A gorgeous set of aircraft. Glad i got the shots of them before they are turned into white-tails (if this does happen). I guess i'll just HAVE to go
43 Beech19: Thankyou... thankyou very much. "Long time viewer... first time caller."
44 Airevents: I was in contact with their Public Relations Department for some time a while ago and if the entire airline functions like they do, it does not come a
46 LipeGIG: Could be, TAM will receive today officially from ANAC (Brazilian DOT) 7 weekly frequencies to CDG and another 7 to MXP. As CDG is already an establis
47 Stitch: I'll keep an eye out for her (I work across the street from PAE).
48 Beech19: I live about 3 miles from KPAE and visit there often (especially the Goodrich hangars). I haven't seen D2-TBF but its been a few days since i have be
49 Corsairf/a: Corsair flies to GIG/JNB/LIS from Luanda on behalf of TAAG since mid september to the end of this month. I will fly from GIG to LAD next week...
50 LipeGIG: The Corsair 744 is flying only the thursday flight, the Sunday flight keep the TAAG 743 (there are pictures of the Corsair already at the database an
51 Boeing777/747: Nice that new livery but what a poor typography, especially that crappy poor old "TAAG"-wordbrand on the fuselage, they use it already for ages. I pre
52 Shenzhen: It doesn't make sense for Boeing to paint the airplane unless it has already been sold to another customer. Why strip the paint, if you are going to r
53 LipeGIG: Seems that the problem is due to training. This news in Portuguese (see the link), shows that 80% of pilots and co-pilots has been reproved by Boeing
54 Duncank: Boys, boys, boys: Everyone's getting their knickers in a twist about TAAG not taking delivery of the three B.737-7M2's and the 777's. They're not goin
55 A388: Thank goodness TAAG will still take delivery of the 737NG and 777. I already found it strange that they wouldn't take delivery of these aircraft with
56 Scaledesigns: Nice shot Duncank.I hope they dont mess up that pretty c/s.I like the old colors slightly better.I thinks its the TAAG titles that dont look that grea
57 Flying Belgian: Well they have a LOT of oil to burn !!![Edited 2006-09-25 08:28:05]
58 RobK: Duncan is right as I have official info from Boeing too! The hand over "ceremony" will take place on 9 November for all 5 TAAG aircraft. R
59 B777A3330: what about the 6th boeing 737, will it be delivered by the end of the year?
60 A388: So after the ceremony, all 5 aircraft will fly in formation from Seattle all the way to Angola? Just kidding, but it would be nice Is this also the fi
61 CHRISBA777ER: Whats happening to the 743s then? And what is wrong with the new livery to cause them to want to have a new one?
62 Clickhappy: Glad to see we can put this rumor to bed. What a waste of time and $$$ to have to repaint all these brand new planes. Bummer for all the people who ne
63 Drewfly: How many of the aircraft are already painted?
64 Express1: well i'm glad that Duncank came in at the last moment and killed the rumour,well done!!, now can we move on? dave
65 Beech19: Both 777's are sitting on the flightline at KPAE fully painted and have for over a month. The 737's i beleive at least 2 are painted (if not the 3rd
66 RobK: D2-TBH is painted too. See here on my site. Not sure, but it will around that time I imagine. It's line #2149, presumably to be registered D2-TBI alt
67 Miamix707: The new livery is great (although I personally prefer the old one somehow).. Don't tell me they're going tor a Kenya Airways-lookalike with the white
68 Avatordon: Press release from Boeing today about Component Services Program these aircraft that TAAG are getting (777 & 737) - so order not canceled. http://www.
69 LY4XELD: Also from the press release: TAAG is scheduled to take delivery of three Next-Generation 737s and two 777s in November. The built aircraft will be sto
70 LipeGIG: I heard at GIG that they will use at least 1 of their 743 to expand network and also for cargo purposes. A new frequency to Brazil with stop at SSA c
71 Boeingrulz: Isn't there a saying in portuguese "gosto não se discute". Basically means that its folly to argue about taste.
72 Clickhappy: it cracks me up the amount of negativity this post has caused, and the pathetic emails some of you have sent. How often does an airline have 5 aircraf
73 A388: Hahaha, that's a nice way of putting it. I know what you mean, I didn't sent any pathetic emails or negativity. I just have to laugh about the "pulli
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