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NW Aircraft Order Announcement In Next Week Or Two  
User currently offlineBurnsie28 From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 7526 posts, RR: 8
Posted (7 years 9 months 3 weeks 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 11559 times:

A quote from Doug Steenland

Quote:
"We're also looking at making an announcement in the next week or two about a 76-seat regional jet that would be targeted for a Spring 2007 delivery."

Also, NW will use the 787 for many non-stop to china routes

Quote:
"Similarly, around the third quarter of 2008 we're planning to introduce the 787 into our Pacific route structure," Steenland continued. "This aircraft is clearly a 'game changer' that will allow us to get back into the U.S.-China non-stop market."

There you have it


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User currently offlineSESGDL From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 3464 posts, RR: 10
Reply 1, posted (7 years 9 months 3 weeks 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 11553 times:

Will MSP get any of the new routes to Asia? It would be nice to get back MSP-KIX or HKG, or get a new nonstop flight to Asia from MSP. Maybe this will allow for the long-awaited MSP-CDG route. It seems like NW has given up MSP for expansion as everything is put through DTW. Hopefully this changes as MSP is still their busiest airport by passengers carried.

Jeremy


User currently offlineCentrair From Japan, joined Jan 2005, 3598 posts, RR: 20
Reply 2, posted (7 years 9 months 3 weeks 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 11452 times:

Quoting Burnsie28 (Thread starter):
"We're also looking at making an announcement in the next week or two about a 76-seat regional jet that would be targeted for a Spring 2007 delivery."

This is the EMB-175s discussed yesterday in two threads and in FI. Compass will operate them.

Quoting SESGDL (Reply 1):
Maybe this will allow for the long-awaited MSP-CDG route.

If this route ever comes to fruition it will be with an A333. A 787-8 would be overkill. With AF and KLM basically being the same company, they could reduce one AMS run and move it to CDG or just invite AF to operate the flight.

Quoting SESGDL (Reply 1):
It seems like NW has given up MSP for expansion as everything is put through DTW.

MSP needs more International gates to be able to have more expansion. There are many gates that can handle a 787 for departures but there are limits for international arrivals at this point. What is it...5 or 6 gates? They need about 10 to 15 to make it worth while. Under the next renovation more gates will be connected to Customs and Immigration. MSP is bound to get more international flights. Maybe NW will push MAC to move forward on just that expansion so that MSP can get the international movement it needs and wants.

This is the first hint though of how NW will use their 787s. As many said they will use them to overfly Japan. I could see PEK, PVG, and HKG as non-stops with 787s. We could see MSP loose one 744 to NRT replaced with one 787 with a non-stop to a new destination like KIX with another 787.

Quoting Burnsie28 (Thread starter):
Steenland continued. "This aircraft is clearly a 'game changer' that will allow us to get back into the U.S.-China non-stop market."

DUH! If you shoot yourself in the foot in the 1990s and not have a long-term strategy for Asian ops, any aircraft smaller than a 747 with legs could be a game changer. BAKA YARO! STEENLAND WA MATTAKU WAKARANI DESUNE. KARE NO NOMISO WA UNCHI.



Yes...I am not a KIX fan. Let's Japanese Aviation!
User currently offlineMattMSP767 From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 118 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (7 years 9 months 3 weeks 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 11406 times:

I would love to see NW fly the Embraer, but what source are you quoting Steenland from?

User currently offlineSESGDL From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 3464 posts, RR: 10
Reply 4, posted (7 years 9 months 3 weeks 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 11396 times:

Quoting Centrair (Reply 2):
What is it...5 or 6 gates?

At the moment there are just 5 international gates (with customs): G1-G5.

Jeremy


User currently offlineYYZatcboy From Canada, joined Apr 2005, 1051 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (7 years 9 months 3 weeks 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 11303 times:
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Good news, But how can they afford this?


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User currently offlineFuturecaptain From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (7 years 9 months 3 weeks 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 11259 times:

So, when the last 787 is retired will the crew be ferried back on a DC-9?
 duck 


User currently offlineCentrair From Japan, joined Jan 2005, 3598 posts, RR: 20
Reply 7, posted (7 years 9 months 3 weeks 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 11164 times:

Quoting YYZatcboy (Reply 5):
Good news, But how can they afford this?

If I understand it, the E-175s go to Compass which is a Subsidiary under the NWA Corporation which includes NW Cargo and NW airlines. Compass has a separate certificate and so is essentially a separate company. Separate company =separate investment. NW wanted Compass as an equity company that can be borrowed against in the future. Maybe someone can correct me if I am wrong but that is what I understood.



Yes...I am not a KIX fan. Let's Japanese Aviation!
User currently offlineCOERJ145 From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 1421 posts, RR: 1
Reply 8, posted (7 years 9 months 3 weeks 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 11164 times:

Quoting YYZatcboy (Reply 5):
Good news, But how can they afford this?

They've been reporting monthly profits and quarterly net profits(bankruptcy costs excluded). Also, they've been cutting back labor costs.

Quoting Futurecaptain (Reply 6):
So, when the last 787 is retired will the crew be ferried back on a DC-9?

LOL!! Big grin


User currently offlineMikey711MN From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 1396 posts, RR: 8
Reply 9, posted (7 years 9 months 3 weeks 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 11114 times:

Quoting SESGDL (Reply 4):
At the moment there are just 5 international gates (with customs): G1-G5

Actually, I believe G1-G10 are all connected to the customs facility, i.e. the outer walkway is accessible from each of those gates. Certainly G6 is as I've personally seen many a 747 and DC-10 headed for international destinations at that gate.

-Mike



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User currently offlineTVNWZ From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 2349 posts, RR: 2
Reply 10, posted (7 years 9 months 3 weeks 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 11002 times:

Quoting Centrair (Reply 7):
Compass has a separate certificate

Fly i's old certificate.


User currently offlineCentrair From Japan, joined Jan 2005, 3598 posts, RR: 20
Reply 11, posted (7 years 9 months 3 weeks 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 10817 times:

A look at NW's fleet...

Mainline
DC-9
A319
A320
757-200
757-300
A330-200
A330-300
DC-10*
787-8**
747-200***
747-400

Compass (Airlink?)
EMB-175****

Airlink
Mesaba
Saab 340
CRJ-200
Avro RJ85*****

Pinnacle
CRJ-200
CRJ-400

*being retired gone by next year
**Coming in a few years
***not sure but they are getting old
****new to fleet/ops
*****leaving/left the fleet/ops

Only things left to replace DC-9s and 747-200s. (any ideas on those)



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User currently offlineJetBlueGuy2006 From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 1647 posts, RR: 1
Reply 12, posted (7 years 9 months 3 weeks 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 10539 times:

Quoting MattMSP767 (Reply 3):
would love to see NW fly the Embraer

I think they will be. Eventually, they will use the E-190 for mainline to phase out the classic DC-9 and then Compass will operate the E-175

To my knowledge, I believe that is how it will pan out.



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User currently offlineBurnsie28 From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 7526 posts, RR: 8
Reply 13, posted (7 years 9 months 3 weeks 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 10498 times:

Quoting Centrair (Reply 2):
This is the EMB-175s discussed yesterday in two threads and in FI. Compass will operate them.

I know, but the other "source" said they wouldn't announce an aircraft order until April.

Quoting MattMSP767 (Reply 3):
I would love to see NW fly the Embraer, but what source are you quoting Steenland from?

Northwest... he said these in September 19th and 20th Insight Session. Where corporate and travel agency customers come and tell NW what they want to see, apparently on-board service was a rather big focus, some changes could be coming in that area. No details however were given from that.



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User currently offlineB2443 From United States of America, joined Jul 2004, 703 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (7 years 9 months 3 weeks 5 days ago) and read 10225 times:

Quoting Burnsie28 (Thread starter):
This aircraft is clearly a 'game changer' that will allow us to get back into the U.S.-China non-stop market."

Would that mean NW, before 787s come, doesn't have the aircraft even if it wants to "get back into the US-China non-stop market". Notice how they said how they would operate DTW-PVG in the recent application:

http://www.nwa.com/corpinfo/newsc/2006/pr081720061695.html

"Detroit to Shanghai nonstop service is Northwest’s top international route priority"

"Northwest proposes to commence nonstop Detroit to Shanghai service on or about March 25, 2007, using its Boeing 747-400 with 65 World Business Class and 338 coach class seats. "

They wouldn't have the 744's even if they did get granted DTW-PVG.


User currently offlineSNNUS From Ireland, joined Dec 2005, 134 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (7 years 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 10084 times:

Are they still Etopsing ( if thats a word) the 752's in the fleet?

User currently offlineJetjack74 From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 7403 posts, RR: 51
Reply 16, posted (7 years 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 10084 times:
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Quoting SESGDL (Reply 1):
It seems like NW has given up MSP for expansion as everything is put through DTW.

It was tried and failed. MSP has not had enough solid traffic to keep the international flights they've had ver the years. MSP-OSL, KIX, FRA were never really all that full.

Quoting Centrair (Reply 2):
If this route ever comes to fruition it will be with an A333. A 787-8 would be overkill.

Overkill? the 788 is smaller that A333. They're only supposed to seat around 228, while the A333 seat 298. Anyway, I think some A332's will start leaving the fleet after we start getting the 787. If we order the 787-9/10, the 333's will start to be on their way out also

Quoting Centrair (Reply 2):
This is the first hint though of how NW will use their 787s. As many said they will use them to overfly Japan. I could see PEK, PVG, and HKG as non-stops with 787s

Publicly maybe, but a year ago, in the company newsletter "passages" Doug mentioned the 787 being the aircraft it needed to stay competitve on the long, thin routes, such as JFK-NRT, and DTW-PVG

Quoting B2443 (Reply 14):
Would that mean NW, before 787s come, doesn't have the aircraft even if it wants to "get back into the US-China non-stop market". Notice how they said how they would operate DTW-PVG in the recent application:

Not neccessarily. Even when we flew DTW-PEK, and PVG, we were never really able to remain competitive, we only flew them 3 and 4 times a week respectively. But this would probably enable us to operate to multiple Chinese destinations, form mutiple US cities. Markets that were a pipedream 3-5 years ago. We would still operate the DTW-PVG route, even if it was unprofitable, just get our foot in the door. When the right aircraft comes around, then start to realign aircraft usage. With the lower labour costs now, NWA has lot more money to play with, and can stomach a losing route here and there, as long as future outlook remains bright. Which mean, if NWA gets the route authority(which I believe we will over the others), we will operate the 744 on the route regardless of whether we can fill it up, which I do believe we can at the present economics. Passengers connecting on to PVG through NRT, many are from DTW, and many come from NW11.

Quoting B2443 (Reply 14):
They wouldn't have the 744's even if they did get granted DTW-PVG.

We could either lease a few. there quite a few coming up for sale, and a few available for lease. Or we could bring some 747-200's that are in storage, and put them on the HNL/LAX-NRT and redeploy those 400's on the DTW-PVG route.



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User currently offlineSESGDL From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 3464 posts, RR: 10
Reply 17, posted (7 years 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 9881 times:

Quoting Jetjack74 (Reply 16):
It was tried and failed. MSP has not had enough solid traffic to keep the international flights they've had ver the years. MSP-OSL, KIX, FRA were never really all that full.

MSP-OSL didn't work because OSL isn't a substantial market for US travel from a place like MSP. DL with its huge JFK operation doesn't even serve OSL yet, though I'm sure they will. MSP-KIX/FRA didn't work because there was already service from DTW, and both of those markets aren't large enough from MSP and DTW to warrant two daily flights from two American gateways. But do people really believe that DTW-China routes would work either? There really isn't that big of a market, at least in comparison to EWR and IAD. DTW is also far North of much of the population base and is too far East to be a viable Asian hub. Nobody going from DEN to Asia is going to use DTW, it's easier for most people to simply fly to LAX or SFO where fares are cheaper and there are more options. I've always thought MSP was a better Trans-Pacific hub than DTW as it has higher passenger numbers and is further West. The only reason NW currently operates DTW-KIX/NGO is due to the large Ford/GM presence in DTW and the car market in Japan. While DTW is a bigger city than MSP, its O&D is lower, and DTW is by no means an international business city. It seems that NW would like for DTW to become a huge international gateway to the world, similar to what DL has done to ATL but on a much smaller scale (as DTW will never be able to accommodate US-Latin America traffic because it's simply too far North and the market is too small). We'll see how it works out though.

Jeremy


User currently offlineThegooddoctor From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 523 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (7 years 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 9867 times:

Quoting Futurecaptain (Reply 6):
So, when the last 787 is retired will the crew be ferried back on a DC-9?

LOL! A renovated DC-9 will actually REPLACE the 787 when it comes time for the retiremtn of this aircraft. It will be equipped with two more engines (right next to the current ones) and will have very very large external fuel tanks...


I for one am very sad that they are replacing the ARJ's... Will the new emb's have FC at least?

S



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User currently offlineFuturecaptain From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 19, posted (7 years 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 9791 times:

Quoting Thegooddoctor (Reply 18):
It will be equipped with two more engines (right next to the current ones

Been there, done that...  Smile


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User currently offlineIsitsafenow From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 4984 posts, RR: 24
Reply 20, posted (7 years 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 9762 times:

Dougies quote says...third quarter of 2008. Excuse me for acting dumb, but didn't Boeing say the 787 would be in PASSENGER SERVICE in 2010?
Maybe Dougie meant "take delivery in the third quarter".

safe



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User currently offlineFlyf15 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 21, posted (7 years 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 9762 times:

Quoting Centrair (Reply 11):
Pinnacle
CRJ-200
CRJ-400

The -440s are all being converted back to -200s.

Quoting Centrair (Reply 11):
Mesaba
Saab 340
CRJ-200

Mesaba only has one CRJ-200 and it'll be gone soon... probably sometime next month.


User currently offlineGabypn1992 From Canada, joined Jun 2006, 74 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (7 years 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 9762 times:

I think that they gonna order some CRJ-900. I don't know if they gonna be for MWA Airlink or Northwest Airline but...

[Edited 2006-09-21 21:12:25]


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User currently offlineTOLtommy From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 3286 posts, RR: 4
Reply 23, posted (7 years 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 8937 times:

Quoting Allegedly from Steenland (Thread starter):
"We're also looking at making an announcement in the next week or two about a 76-seat regional jet that would be targeted for a Spring 2007 delivery."



Quoting Centrair (Reply 2):

This is the EMB-175s discussed yesterday in two threads and in FI. Compass will operate them.

This leads more credibility to the order being for CRJ-705/900's. Unless NW is paying extra to cut in line for Embraers, there's no way they can get E175/190's by the spring of '07. Republic has a big order for 175's, and JetBlue for 190's, not to mention others with orders.

Bombardier is sitting on deposits for cancelled CRJ200/440 orders. NW is not going to just forfeit the money, and they need planes quickly to carry out their plans to restructure the airline. If they want planes that fast, it has to be Bombardier.


User currently offlineBurnsie28 From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 7526 posts, RR: 8
Reply 24, posted (7 years 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 8706 times:

Quoting Isitsafenow (Reply 20):
Maybe Dougie meant "take delivery in the third quarter".

Uh, the first NW 787 will be delivered in Summer 2008. The A350 was originally scheduled for 2010.



"Some People Just Know How To Fly"- Best slogan ever, RIP NW 1926-2009
25 FlyDreamliner : NW has been nothing but happy with the A330. I doubt they'd drop the A332s, which will be still pretty new when the 787s come online. My thought is t
26 4everRC : WHAT?!?!?!? NW has been nothing but happy with these aircraft, and with their history of flying things until the wings fall off (and then one more fl
27 TOLtommy : Thank goodness I'm not alone in this thinking! I don't hear the general public complaining about the -900's over at US, just the operator! Personally
28 Beech19 : I swear... they will never get rid of those. I can just see it. Its the year 2106 and we are all flying around in hypersonic scram jets and NW will b
29 CRJ900 : We can all wish, but flightglobal.com/Flight International had an article about NWA buying the E175, and FI tend to be pretty accurate, aren't they?
30 Af773atmsp : Here are the possible routes from MSP. 787 MSP-HKG MSP-KIX MSP-Dublin A330 MSP-HNL MSP-LGW MSP-CDG
31 Jetjack74 : Are trying to reinforce the point I was making? Well if that was the reason, then why does LGW perform so well out of both MSP and DTW? Again, reinfo
32 Centrair : Nice list...not so sure about MSP-Dublin though. I'll add one to your 787 list (for fun..don't know if it is realistic). MSP-MNL making MSP-NRT a 787
33 SESGDL : Not nearly as many people as use JFK, EWR, or ORD for Asian connections. All of these people can go to LAX or SFO as well. ATL could support a number
34 Jetjack74 : Yes we will.
35 MotorHussy : Could/would NW come down to this part of the world once they've got their new birds? Another American airline is entitled to Australia and New Zealand
36 Centrair : I remember someone saying something about the Australian government prefering UA over NW and basically pushed NW out. NW still had LAX-SYD then.
37 SESGDL : You honestly think that NW's going to get DTW-PVG over UA's IAD-PEK, CO's EWR-PVG, or AA's DFW-PVG (or is it PEK)? Not a chance in hell. I think it w
38 Centrair : And if NW gets it, what route gets the ax or downgrade to allow the route to happen or does NW have a few spare 744s sitting around someplace? On a s
39 KaiGywer : The difference is, an international departure can leave from anywhere, but only arrive at those few gates because of customs/immigration. I can't rem
40 B2443 : They could utilize the current 744 on NRT-PVG and get another 744 from, say NRT-HKG (downgraded to 742 or DC10 or 757 or whatever) to run DTW-PVG non
41 Burnsie28 : The plan might be to pick up a few more 744's that are going up for lease/sale. 3 left in pax service, of which two are owned and one is leased. What
42 PSU.DTW.SCE : DC-10's are gone from the fleet in January '07. They will not be a factor if NW gets the China rights to swap aircraft. 742's would be used to replace
43 Jetjack74 : DTW is an attractive alternate than dealing with the hassle of connecting in ORD or EWR. And you also have to factor in the fact many regulars choose
44 B2443 : So this is implying the Chinese government would have a say over a DOT decision? That may explain why CO's CEO is touring China right now campaigning
45 FutureFO : Yet again where is NW going to get the funding for new a/c. Yes they are "posting a profit", but why would a leasing company take a risk on them. If s
46 Post contains images A388 : HAHAHA, priceless!!! That sure is a good one A388
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