DALelite From Switzerland, joined Jun 2000, 1687 posts, RR: 39 Posted (3 years 2 months 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 2239 times:
Hi Guys, I just have finished reading an article about Sabiha Gökcen Airport
in Turkey. The Mag called Airliner World says that there is yet an undisclosed major US Airline, that will start service to SAW next Year.
It makes me wonder which Airline that could be.
American out of JFK? But I doubt it.
United makes no sense since TK is joining Star.
Delta already flys to IST
NWA forget it
Continental it would make sense to me.
What do you think?
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DAL767400ER From Germany, joined Feb 2005, 5434 posts, RR: 54 Reply 1, posted (3 years 2 months 6 days ago) and read 2117 times:
Out of the big 6, CO would really be the only realistic possibilty, though seeing as SAW is too far for a 757 and hence would require a 762ER, I doubt it. Of course, one could also wonder what Airliner World considers a "Major US Airline", being that airlines like B6, FL, WN or ATA are majors as well, financial-definition-wise, with only ATA being the only somewhat realistic option, and even that appears far out.
TK787 From United States, joined Jan 2006, 2254 posts, RR: 5 Reply 2, posted (3 years 2 months 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 1930 times:
There was a thread here few weeks ago on this. It just seems to good to be true, and highly unlikely for now. As far as I can remember the reasons:
-not to many connections internationally out of SAW
-most likely CO, but have to wait till 787s.
-US-Turkey is well served with TK 8xweekly JFK, 4Xweekly ORD, and DL non-stops, and TK's plans for another US and a Canadian point.
On the other hand, I will be one of the first ones to use the service.
Gokmengs From United States, joined Mar 2005, 899 posts, RR: 1 Reply 5, posted (3 years 2 months 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 1813 times:
This was mentioned here before, and I suspected CO from EWR since the Turkish community around is huge and the increasing constant business pax between IST and NYC.
I just can't get myself to believe the SAW part of the story, if a major like CO is going to serve Istanbul, then I'm thinking the airport of choice will be IST.
Quoting TokyoNarita (Reply 4): Continental probably has a long list of possible B787 destinations before this one.
Have you seen the loads, yields, and the cargo revenue DL is enjoying on this route? You'd be surprised.
N1120A From United States, joined Dec 2003, 23491 posts, RR: 88 Reply 7, posted (3 years 2 months 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 1673 times:
Quoting Gokmengs (Reply 5): and I suspected CO from EWR since the Turkish community around is huge and the increasing constant business pax between IST and NYC.
You could say the same thing about an LAX flight. That doesn't mean its going to happen.
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Gokmengs From United States, joined Mar 2005, 899 posts, RR: 1 Reply 8, posted (3 years 2 months 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 1659 times:
Quoting N1120A (Reply 7): You could say the same thing about an LAX flight. That doesn't mean its going to happen.
Not quite since LAX-IST is a thinner route when compared with NYC-IST. LAX-IST and NYC-IST routes are much different. Plus given CO's EWR presence and their extensive Intl ops there, it makes CO from EWR a better guess.
Stylo777 From Turkey, joined Feb 2006, 2248 posts, RR: 8 Reply 11, posted (3 years 2 months 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 1386 times:
SAW hasn't got the facilities for operating a flight to the US. And it wouldn't make any sense to me because the major airport in Istanbul is IST with a lot of possibilities for domestic connecting traffic.
Humberside From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2005, 4393 posts, RR: 7 Reply 12, posted (3 years 2 months 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 1296 times:
Quoting Stylo777 (Reply 11): SAW hasn't got the facilities for operating a flight to the US. And it wouldn't make any sense to me because the major airport in Istanbul is IST with a lot of possibilities for domestic connecting traffic.
With the number of domestic flights at SAW growing, the reduced connecting oppurtunities aren't such an issue now
TK787 From United States, joined Jan 2006, 2254 posts, RR: 5 Reply 17, posted (3 years 2 months 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 1070 times:
Quoting Gilesdavies (Reply 14): They have the 757's in place on routes to Western Europe and has free up some of the 767-200's.
762, do they have the range?
Quoting N1120A (Reply 15): Their A340s should be able to fly the route.
I am not that technically savvy, but many here say that the A340 have to take a huge weight restriction especially flying westward.
Also I don't know about the runway length at SAW, knowing A340s takes the whole length of the runway to get airborne.
N1120A From United States, joined Dec 2003, 23491 posts, RR: 88 Reply 18, posted (3 years 2 months 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 1027 times:
Quoting TK787 (Reply 17): 762, do they have the range?
Theoretically yes, but I am not sure of the MTOW of the US models, which are some of the earlier examples of the 762ER
Quoting TK787 (Reply 17): I am not that technically savvy, but many here say that the A340 have to take a huge weight restriction especially flying westward.
Also I don't know about the runway length at SAW, knowing A340s takes the whole length of the runway to get airborne.
Actually, SAW and Ataturk have the same runway length, which is slightly short at 3000m. I did notice that TK's A343s are all non-X models, which explains their short range.
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Gilesdavies From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2003, 2254 posts, RR: 2 Reply 19, posted (3 years 2 months 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 965 times:
Quoting N1120A (Reply 18): Theoretically yes, but I am not sure of the MTOW of the US models, which are some of the earlier examples of the 762ER
US Airways 762's would be able to operate the route without any issues...
The route between SAW-PHL is about 5100miles and 762ER has a range on 6500miles, and leaves plenty room for winds and margin for errors. I think this would be a great for US Airways and would open up a new market...
Laxintl From United States, joined May 2000, 12108 posts, RR: 22 Reply 20, posted (3 years 2 months 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 954 times:
Quoting Gilesdavies (Reply 19): I think this would be a great for US Airways and would open up a new market...
If US Airways was to consider Istanbul, it certainly would not be SAW especially now with THY joining Star. They would want to be over at Istanbul Ataturk to benefit from connectivity with TK.
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N1120A From United States, joined Dec 2003, 23491 posts, RR: 88 Reply 21, posted (3 years 2 months 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 942 times:
Quoting Gilesdavies (Reply 19): US Airways 762's would be able to operate the route without any issues...
The route between SAW-PHL is about 5100miles and 762ER has a range on 6500miles, and leaves plenty room for winds and margin for errors.
You didn't read the post, did you? First, the 762ER's maximum still air range at full MTOW is 6600 Nautical Miles, while SAW-PHL is 4460 Nautical Miles (check your measurements). That means that a fully spec'ed 762ER would have no problem with the route. The problem lies in that there are not actually very many fully spec'ed 762ERs flying around. Continental and El Al certainly fly them, but most of the aircraft flying are of significantly lower MTOW, particularly the older ones. USAirways' aircraft are ex-Piedmont and the follow on from that order, and the newest one is 13 years old. I don't know what gross weight they fly around at, but there is a strong possibility they don't have the range to do the route without taking restrictions.
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Bahadir From United States, joined Oct 2001, 1295 posts, RR: 13 Reply 23, posted (3 years 2 months 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 718 times:
The airline is CA Air and I am the chief pilot. We will be flying on my EMB-120ERs. Just wait until I get out of ground school
Seriously though, why would anyone fly in SAW in their right mind? It's terribly full with not enough police to staff the passport control. In addition, there are hardly any connections , unless they are going to codeshare with Pegasus. If that happens then Ali Sabanci will serve them hot dog for $5.
N1120A From United States, joined Dec 2003, 23491 posts, RR: 88 Reply 24, posted (3 years 2 months 2 days ago) and read 647 times:
Quoting Bahadir (Reply 23):
Seriously though, why would anyone fly in SAW in their right mind? It's terribly full with not enough police to staff the passport control. In addition, there are hardly any connections , unless they are going to codeshare with Pegasus.
I don't think the point of flying into SAW is connections, Baha. The Euro LCCs seem to have taken a liking to the place.
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FLY777UAL From United States, joined May 1999, 4501 posts, RR: 7 Reply 25, posted (3 years 2 months 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 600 times:
Just throwing this out there to stir up the pot...but who says the service has to be non-stop? Doesn't Germany have one of the largest Turkish ex-pat communities in the world...? Possibly a one-stop through a smaller German city?
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