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Major US Airline To Fly To Sabiha Gökcen As Of 07  
User currently offlineDALelite From Switzerland, joined Jun 2000, 1770 posts, RR: 25
Posted (8 years 1 week 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 6222 times:

Hi Guys, I just have finished reading an article about Sabiha Gökcen Airport
in Turkey. The Mag called Airliner World says that there is yet an undisclosed major US Airline, that will start service to SAW next Year.
It makes me wonder which Airline that could be.

American out of JFK? But I doubt it.

United makes no sense since TK is joining Star.

Delta already flys to IST

NWA forget it

Continental it would make sense to me.

What do you think?

regards: DALelite


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User currently offlineDAL767400ER From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (8 years 1 week 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 6100 times:

Out of the big 6, CO would really be the only realistic possibilty, though seeing as SAW is too far for a 757 and hence would require a 762ER, I doubt it. Of course, one could also wonder what Airliner World considers a "Major US Airline", being that airlines like B6, FL, WN or ATA are majors as well, financial-definition-wise, with only ATA being the only somewhat realistic option, and even that appears far out.

User currently offlineTK787 From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 4446 posts, RR: 12
Reply 2, posted (8 years 1 week 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 5913 times:

There was a thread here few weeks ago on this. It just seems to good to be true, and highly unlikely for now. As far as I can remember the reasons:
-not to many connections internationally out of SAW
-most likely CO, but have to wait till 787s.
-US-Turkey is well served with TK 8xweekly JFK, 4Xweekly ORD, and DL non-stops, and TK's plans for another US and a Canadian point.

On the other hand, I will be one of the first ones to use the service.


User currently offlineCY319 From Cyprus, joined Apr 2006, 396 posts, RR: 12
Reply 3, posted (8 years 1 week 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 5854 times:

i d vote for CO as well.


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User currently offlineTokyoNarita From Palau, joined Aug 2003, 570 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (8 years 1 week 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 5824 times:

Quote:
-most likely CO, but have to wait till 787s.

Continental probably has a long list of possible B787 destinations before this one.

TokyoNarita


User currently offlineGokmengs From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 1123 posts, RR: 2
Reply 5, posted (8 years 1 week 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 5796 times:

This was mentioned here before, and I suspected CO from EWR since the Turkish community around is huge and the increasing constant business pax between IST and NYC.
I just can't get myself to believe the SAW part of the story, if a major like CO is going to serve Istanbul, then I'm thinking the airport of choice will be IST.

Quoting TokyoNarita (Reply 4):
Continental probably has a long list of possible B787 destinations before this one.

Have you seen the loads, yields, and the cargo revenue DL is enjoying on this route? You'd be surprised.



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User currently offlineAirCop From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (8 years 1 week 4 days ago) and read 5734 times:

Oh heck its probably MesaAir running CR900 from CLT. Will believe it when someone announces it.

[Edited 2006-09-22 16:58:19]

User currently offlineN1120A From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 26536 posts, RR: 75
Reply 7, posted (8 years 1 week 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 5656 times:

Quoting Gokmengs (Reply 5):
and I suspected CO from EWR since the Turkish community around is huge and the increasing constant business pax between IST and NYC.

You could say the same thing about an LAX flight. That doesn't mean its going to happen.



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User currently offlineGokmengs From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 1123 posts, RR: 2
Reply 8, posted (8 years 1 week 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 5642 times:

Quoting N1120A (Reply 7):
You could say the same thing about an LAX flight. That doesn't mean its going to happen.

Not quite since LAX-IST is a thinner route when compared with NYC-IST. LAX-IST and NYC-IST routes are much different. Plus given CO's EWR presence and their extensive Intl ops there, it makes CO from EWR a better guess.



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User currently offlineN1120A From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 26536 posts, RR: 75
Reply 9, posted (8 years 1 week 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 5595 times:

Quoting Gokmengs (Reply 8):
Not quite since LAX-IST is a thinner route when compared with NYC-IST. LAX-IST and NYC-IST routes are much different.

LAX has to rely on O&D while NYC has connections, but the connection possibilities in Turkey from LAX could well drive a route.



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User currently offlineTK787 From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 4446 posts, RR: 12
Reply 10, posted (8 years 1 week 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 5566 times:

Quoting N1120A (Reply 9):
but the connection possibilities in Turkey from LAX could well drive a route.

But then again, there is the equipment problem.


User currently offlineStylo777 From Germany, joined Feb 2006, 2978 posts, RR: 12
Reply 11, posted (8 years 1 week 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 5369 times:

SAW hasn't got the facilities for operating a flight to the US. And it wouldn't make any sense to me because the major airport in Istanbul is IST with a lot of possibilities for domestic connecting traffic.

User currently offlineHumberside From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2005, 4922 posts, RR: 4
Reply 12, posted (8 years 1 week 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 5279 times:

Quoting Stylo777 (Reply 11):
SAW hasn't got the facilities for operating a flight to the US. And it wouldn't make any sense to me because the major airport in Istanbul is IST with a lot of possibilities for domestic connecting traffic.

With the number of domestic flights at SAW growing, the reduced connecting oppurtunities aren't such an issue now



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User currently offlineDAL767400ER From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (8 years 1 week 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 5231 times:

Quoting Humberside (Reply 12):
With the number of domestic flights at SAW growing, the reduced connecting oppurtunities aren't such an issue now

They are still nowhere near the opportunities IST offers, and likely won't be for the foreseeable future.


User currently offlineGilesdavies From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2003, 3033 posts, RR: 2
Reply 14, posted (8 years 1 week 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 5210 times:

Could it me US Airways?

They have the 757's in place on routes to Western Europe and has free up some of the 767-200's.


User currently offlineN1120A From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 26536 posts, RR: 75
Reply 15, posted (8 years 1 week 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 5067 times:

Quoting TK787 (Reply 10):
But then again, there is the equipment problem.

Their A340s should be able to fly the route.



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User currently offlineMCOflyer From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 8677 posts, RR: 16
Reply 16, posted (8 years 1 week 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 5061 times:

Quoting Gilesdavies (Reply 14):
Could it me US Airways?

I was thinking that too, but would say no since US doesn't fly into SAW. If they did, then i'd yes.

My vote goes to CO.

MCOflyer



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User currently offlineTK787 From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 4446 posts, RR: 12
Reply 17, posted (8 years 1 week 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 5053 times:

Quoting Gilesdavies (Reply 14):
They have the 757's in place on routes to Western Europe and has free up some of the 767-200's.

762, do they have the range?

Quoting N1120A (Reply 15):
Their A340s should be able to fly the route.

I am not that technically savvy, but many here say that the A340 have to take a huge weight restriction especially flying westward.
Also I don't know about the runway length at SAW, knowing A340s takes the whole length of the runway to get airborne.


User currently offlineN1120A From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 26536 posts, RR: 75
Reply 18, posted (8 years 1 week 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 5010 times:

Quoting TK787 (Reply 17):
762, do they have the range?

Theoretically yes, but I am not sure of the MTOW of the US models, which are some of the earlier examples of the 762ER

Quoting TK787 (Reply 17):
I am not that technically savvy, but many here say that the A340 have to take a huge weight restriction especially flying westward.
Also I don't know about the runway length at SAW, knowing A340s takes the whole length of the runway to get airborne.

Actually, SAW and Ataturk have the same runway length, which is slightly short at 3000m. I did notice that TK's A343s are all non-X models, which explains their short range.



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User currently offlineGilesdavies From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2003, 3033 posts, RR: 2
Reply 19, posted (8 years 1 week 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 4948 times:

Quoting N1120A (Reply 18):
Theoretically yes, but I am not sure of the MTOW of the US models, which are some of the earlier examples of the 762ER

US Airways 762's would be able to operate the route without any issues...

The route between SAW-PHL is about 5100miles and 762ER has a range on 6500miles, and leaves plenty room for winds and margin for errors. I think this would be a great for US Airways and would open up a new market...


User currently offlineLaxintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 25532 posts, RR: 50
Reply 20, posted (8 years 1 week 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 4937 times:

Quoting Gilesdavies (Reply 19):
I think this would be a great for US Airways and would open up a new market...

If US Airways was to consider Istanbul, it certainly would not be SAW especially now with THY joining Star. They would want to be over at Istanbul Ataturk to benefit from connectivity with TK.



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User currently offlineN1120A From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 26536 posts, RR: 75
Reply 21, posted (8 years 1 week 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 4925 times:

Quoting Gilesdavies (Reply 19):
US Airways 762's would be able to operate the route without any issues...

The route between SAW-PHL is about 5100miles and 762ER has a range on 6500miles, and leaves plenty room for winds and margin for errors.

You didn't read the post, did you? First, the 762ER's maximum still air range at full MTOW is 6600 Nautical Miles, while SAW-PHL is 4460 Nautical Miles (check your measurements). That means that a fully spec'ed 762ER would have no problem with the route. The problem lies in that there are not actually very many fully spec'ed 762ERs flying around. Continental and El Al certainly fly them, but most of the aircraft flying are of significantly lower MTOW, particularly the older ones. USAirways' aircraft are ex-Piedmont and the follow on from that order, and the newest one is 13 years old. I don't know what gross weight they fly around at, but there is a strong possibility they don't have the range to do the route without taking restrictions.



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User currently offlineFalcon flyer From United States of America, joined Jul 2000, 1327 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (8 years 1 week 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 4816 times:

Did the article specify if it was a passenger carrier ? If not maybe FedEx or UPS ?


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User currently offlineBahadir From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 1794 posts, RR: 10
Reply 23, posted (8 years 1 week 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 4701 times:

The airline is CA Air and I am the chief pilot. We will be flying on my EMB-120ERs. Just wait until I get out of ground school  Smile

Seriously though, why would anyone fly in SAW in their right mind? It's terribly full with not enough police to staff the passport control. In addition, there are hardly any connections , unless they are going to codeshare with Pegasus. If that happens then Ali Sabanci will serve them hot dog for $5.  Smile



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User currently offlineN1120A From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 26536 posts, RR: 75
Reply 24, posted (8 years 1 week 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 4630 times:

Quoting Bahadir (Reply 23):

Seriously though, why would anyone fly in SAW in their right mind? It's terribly full with not enough police to staff the passport control. In addition, there are hardly any connections , unless they are going to codeshare with Pegasus.

I don't think the point of flying into SAW is connections, Baha. The Euro LCCs seem to have taken a liking to the place.



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User currently offlineFLY777UAL From United States of America, joined May 1999, 4512 posts, RR: 3
Reply 25, posted (8 years 1 week 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 4583 times:

Just throwing this out there to stir up the pot...but who says the service has to be non-stop? Doesn't Germany have one of the largest Turkish ex-pat communities in the world...? Possibly a one-stop through a smaller German city?

...stranger have happened.

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