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World's Busiest Routes - Barcelona-Madrid  
User currently offlineGlennStewart From Australia, joined Jun 2003, 1124 posts, RR: 54
Posted (7 years 11 months 1 week 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 6437 times:

Hi All,

The world's busiest routes have just been released (someone on this forum might have beaten me to the punch).

Anyway...
http://www.oag.com/oag/website/com/O...s+the+worlds+busiest+routes+070906

Glad to see Sydney-Melbourne still in number 3 position  Smile


Respected users.... If my replies are useful, then by all means...
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User currently offlinePlanemaker From Tuvalu, joined Aug 2003, 6146 posts, RR: 35
Reply 1, posted (7 years 11 months 1 week 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 6409 times:

However... not for much longer. Once the AVE reaches Barcelona (the line is to open in 2008) you'll see another Paris-Lyon situation.


Nationalism is an infantile disease. It is the measles of mankind. - A. Einstein
User currently offlineBA From United States of America, joined May 2000, 11153 posts, RR: 59
Reply 2, posted (7 years 11 months 1 week 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 6390 times:

Quoting Planemaker (Reply 1):
Once the AVE reaches Barcelona (the line is to open in 2008) you'll see another Paris-Lyon situation.

Or better yet, a Paris-Brussels situation...



"Generosity is giving more than you can, and pride is taking less than you need." - Khalil Gibran
User currently offlineNewYorkCityBoi From United States of America, joined Sep 2006, 193 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (7 years 11 months 1 week 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 6355 times:

This is number of flights.. not the passenger... Do they have the statistic for the busiest in term of "Passenger"? Because some other routes are mostly flown by wide-body.

User currently offline777fan From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 2496 posts, RR: 2
Reply 4, posted (7 years 11 months 1 week 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 6346 times:

Awesome to see HNL-OGG well represented on the "busiest" lists. It doesn't come as a surprise, however, that they didn't show up on the LC list! Perhaps go!'s arrival into the market will affect that dubious distinction in the future.


777fan



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User currently offlineBA From United States of America, joined May 2000, 11153 posts, RR: 59
Reply 5, posted (7 years 11 months 1 week 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 6346 times:

Quoting NewYorkCityBoi (Reply 3):
Do they have the statistic for the busiest in term of "Passenger"?

I believe it's Sapporo-Tokyo.

[Edited 2006-09-21 09:00:33]


"Generosity is giving more than you can, and pride is taking less than you need." - Khalil Gibran
User currently offlineVHXLR8 From Australia, joined Feb 2005, 500 posts, RR: 3
Reply 6, posted (7 years 11 months 1 week 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 6278 times:

Quoting NewYorkCityBoi (Reply 3):
Do they have the statistic for the busiest in term of "Passenger"? Because some other routes are mostly flown by wide-body.

I think MEL-SYD would be up there on the passenger number. Number 2 at least; given that most of those flights are 767, and some A330s and 747s.


User currently offlineNewYorkCityBoi From United States of America, joined Sep 2006, 193 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (7 years 11 months 1 week 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 6274 times:

Quoting BA (Reply 5):
I believe it's Sapporo-Tokyo.

I believe somewhere in Japan has to be on the top....
London and New York has 30 flights a day that has 27 flights widebody.. but they are all configured in 3-4 classes... 747-400pax = 350-380 passengers. While in Japan 747-400D used for Domestic can hold up to almost 550 passengers. (equal to 4 737-300s)


User currently offlineMauriceB From Netherlands, joined Aug 2004, 2490 posts, RR: 25
Reply 8, posted (7 years 11 months 1 week 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 6269 times:

I'm Sure LON-AMS belongs to the list, last year they were on top  Smile


We have BMI, KL, HV, BA, EZ, VLM, and many more.

Only VLM already has 10 flights a day to london, which is 140 flight in total

Not to mention KL, BA, BMI, EZ...


User currently offlineJoFMO From Germany, joined Jul 2004, 2211 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (7 years 11 months 1 week 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 6092 times:

Quoting MauriceB (Reply 8):
I'm Sure LON-AMS belongs to the list, last year they were on top

I think OAG's list just values flights between the same two airports. So LON is not on the list.


User currently offlinePlanemaker From Tuvalu, joined Aug 2003, 6146 posts, RR: 35
Reply 10, posted (7 years 11 months 1 week 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 5829 times:

Quoting JoFMO (Reply 9):
I think OAG's list just values flights between the same two airports. So LON is not on the list.

Yes, some people get confused and think that it is between 2 metropolitan areas and not just two airports.



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User currently offlineLipeGIG From Brazil, joined May 2005, 11433 posts, RR: 58
Reply 11, posted (7 years 11 months 1 week 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 5804 times:
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Important to say MAD-BCN become the number 1 just because of RG problems. They returned with only 32 from 64 daily services so probably when RG upgrade their Shuttle Service, CGH-SDU will return to the first position with probably more than 1,000 flights per week.

A side note, there are services CGH-GIG also, about 140 weekly flights (i know the list states only service between two airports)

Quoting NewYorkCityBoi (Reply 7):
I believe somewhere in Japan has to be on the top....
London and New York has 30 flights a day that has 27 flights widebody.. but they are all configured in 3-4 classes... 747-400pax = 350-380 passengers. While in Japan 747-400D used for Domestic can hold up to almost 550 passengers. (equal to 4 737-300s)

Same comment, the list says "weekly flights". For sure if the measure become seats, some Japanese domestic flights could become a top 10. But don't forget that for example, BCN-MAD uses even A321 in some frequencies.

Felipe



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User currently offlineQFSYD744 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (7 years 11 months 1 week 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 5755 times:

Good Day!

One question, what about the Los Angeles to San Francisco corridor?

Alaska Airlines 3 x per day
American Airlines 7 x per day
Delta Connection 2 x per day**(Yet to commence)
Frontier Airlines 3 x per day
United Airlines 20 x per day

In addition one could also include the San Jose and Oakland to Los Angeles corridor could they not?

Cheers


User currently offlineEI787 From Ireland, joined Jan 2006, 1513 posts, RR: 21
Reply 13, posted (7 years 11 months 1 week 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 5722 times:
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According to Dublinairport.com, the Dublin - London route is the busiest scheduled international route in Europe, with 4.5 million passengers per year.

We have roughly:

DUB - LCY: 6 x Day (CityJet)

DUB - LGW: 9 x Day (Ryanair, British Airways)

DUB - LHR: 22 X Day (Aer Lingus, British Midland)

DUB - LTN: 4 X Day (Ryanair)

DUB - STN: 11 X Day (Ryanair)

Total of 52 Flights Daily (Approx.)


User currently offlineAADC10 From United States of America, joined Nov 2004, 2088 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (7 years 11 months 1 week 5 days ago) and read 5631 times:

One of the problems with that list is that it apparently only has airport pairs, not city pairs, which reduces the count for cities with multiple airports. I am sure that there are more flights and passengers between the Los Angeles area and the San Francisco area, yet LAX-SAN is on the list, which does not really reflect flights or passenger traffic between the cities. LAX-SNA-BUR-ONT-LGB to SFO-OAK-SJC certainly has a much higher total than LAX-SAN despite the fact that WN has a virtual lock on the intra-California market. I am sure that the same is true of JFK-LGA-EWR, ORD-MDW and IAD-DCA-BWI. There are also probably big numbers between Dallas and Houston but it is split between the two major airports in each city.

User currently offlinePlanesarecool From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2001, 4121 posts, RR: 11
Reply 15, posted (7 years 11 months 1 week 5 days ago) and read 5606 times:

Quoting Planemaker (Reply 1):
However... not for much longer. Once the AVE reaches Barcelona (the line is to open in 2008) you'll see another Paris-Lyon situation.

Spanair, Air Europa etc may reduce flights, however I doubt IB will cut much, as all their long haul passengers originating or terminating in Barcelona will have to go through Madrid. I believe they currently have 5 or 6 daily flights in each direction which are dedicated connecting flights (i.e. have the IB6*** flight number).


User currently offlineAlitaliaMD11 From Spain, joined Dec 2003, 4068 posts, RR: 13
Reply 16, posted (7 years 11 months 1 week 5 days ago) and read 5555 times:

Currently Vueling, Iberia, Spanair, Air Europa, Air Comet (?), and Air Madrid all fly the "Puente Aero" at the current time. Air Madrid and Air Comet (?) are the only ones that don't fly daily.

Iberia and Spanair are the two airlines with the most flights between MAD and BCN.

Quoting NewYorkCityBoi (Reply 3):
This is number of flights.. not the passenger... Do they have the statistic for the busiest in term of "Passenger"? Because some other routes are mostly flown by wide-body.

It's not rare to see Iberia putting an A340-300 or even a -600 on the Puente Aero and Air Madrid has had the A330-200/300 operating their flights occasionally as positioning flights.

Not sure how much the Ave will affect the route. The train does take longer then flying and the prices are generally cheaper on say Vueling or some Iberia flights then a ticket on the AVE may cost.



No Vueling No Party
User currently offlineFlyingfool From Netherlands, joined May 2005, 438 posts, RR: 2
Reply 17, posted (7 years 11 months 1 week 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 5539 times:

Quoting EI787 (Reply 13):
the Dublin - London route is the busiest scheduled international route in Europe

More exactly, The Dublin - London route was the busiest international route in the world...
Since last monday (18th of September) the route Amsterdam - London route is the busiest int'l route in the world (in terms of nr of flights) with 61 daily departures each way, when VLM Airlines screwed there LCY flights up to 12 daily departures each way during weekday's

Let's see

AMS-LHR, 25 daily departures:
KL 9x
BA 8x
BD 8x

AMS-LGW, 10 daily departures:
BA 6x
U2 4x

AMS-LCY, 18 daily departures:
VG 12x
KL 6x

AMS-LTN, 5 daily departures:
U2 5x

AMS-STN, 3 daily departures:
U2 3x

Aircraft types used on this routes:
Fokker 50, Embraer 145, Airbus A319, A320, A321, A332, Boeing 737-300, 737-400, 737-500, 737-700, 737-800, 737-900, 767-300.

Regards, Flyingfool

[Edited 2006-09-22 00:42:09]

User currently offlinePlanemaker From Tuvalu, joined Aug 2003, 6146 posts, RR: 35
Reply 18, posted (7 years 11 months 1 week 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 5464 times:

Quoting AlitaliaMD11 (Reply 16):
Currently Vueling, Iberia, Spanair, Air Europa, Air Comet (?), and Air Madrid all fly the "Puente Aero" at the current time. Air Madrid and Air Comet (?) are the only ones that don't fly daily.

You forgot Gestair (F100s) and Audeli Air (752s). BTW, IB doesn't have any wide bodies serving the route in the current schedule (OAG) and Air Comet is listed as using 742s.

Quoting AlitaliaMD11 (Reply 16):
Not sure how much the Ave will affect the route. The train does take longer then flying and the prices are generally cheaper on say Vueling or some Iberia flights then a ticket on the AVE may cost.

Considering what happened with Paris-Lyon and Paris-Brussels, it will be very interesting to see what happens with MAD-BCN. I would be interested to learn what happened with MAD-SVQ when the AVE was introduced (the flight time is only 10 minutes less than MAD-BCN). Currently there are only 42 flights/wk from MAD to SVQ (all IB).



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User currently offlineCaptaink From Mexico, joined May 2001, 5109 posts, RR: 12
Reply 19, posted (7 years 11 months 1 week 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 5453 times:

Quoting LipeGIG (Reply 11):
They returned with only 32 from 64 daily services so probably when RG upgrade their Shuttle Service, CGH-SDU will return to the first position with probably more than 1,000 flights per week.

That is a lot of flights. What aircraft is used on that route? Are the flights full? IS there that much demand? Is it is a profitable route?



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User currently offlineAlitaliaMD11 From Spain, joined Dec 2003, 4068 posts, RR: 13
Reply 20, posted (7 years 11 months 1 week 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 5445 times:

Quoting Planemaker (Reply 18):
Audeli Air (752s)

I consider them Iberia since the flights are done with Iberia colored 757-200's.

Quoting Planemaker (Reply 18):
IB doesn't have any wide bodies serving the route in the current schedule (OAG)

True, but like I said it's not un-common to see them as an upgrade.

Quoting Planemaker (Reply 18):
and Air Comet is listed as using 742s.

I was pretty sure about that but I wasn't sure if Air Comet still flew between MAD and BCN, BCN is not listed on their website as a destination from MAD.

Quoting Planemaker (Reply 18):
(the flight time is only 10 minutes less than MAD-BCN)

The AVE can do MAD-BCN in under an hour?



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User currently offlineCaptaink From Mexico, joined May 2001, 5109 posts, RR: 12
Reply 21, posted (7 years 11 months 1 week 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 5434 times:

Interestingly in terms of number of flights, POS/TAB has at least 30 flights per day. If I am correct, the flights start at 6am, and run about 2 per hour until about 10, but that number increases depending on what is going on in Trindad or Tobago at the time. The flights are operated though with Tobago Express Dash 8-300s, and every now and again, BW's 737. I did the route once on the 737, (very full flight BTW) it was 8 min take off to touch down, the shortest time I have ever been in the air, felt very very strange. Guess how much I paid? TT100 appox. US16.00.


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User currently offlinePlanemaker From Tuvalu, joined Aug 2003, 6146 posts, RR: 35
Reply 22, posted (7 years 11 months 1 week 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 5398 times:

Quoting AlitaliaMD11 (Reply 20):
Quoting Planemaker (Reply 18):
(the flight time is only 10 minutes less than MAD-BCN)

The AVE can do MAD-BCN in under an hour?

No, the "flight time" of MAD-SVQ is only 10 minutes less than MAD-BCN... not the AVE! I posted earlier that Madrid-Barcelona on the AVE is expected to take 2.5 hours. That is versus 1:15 average "flight time" for MAD-BCN. Using Madrid-Sevilla as an example (only 42 fligths/wk), it would indicate that MAD-BCN air traffic will be greatly reduced when the AVE is operational.



Nationalism is an infantile disease. It is the measles of mankind. - A. Einstein
User currently offlineQFSYD744 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 23, posted (7 years 11 months 1 week 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 5364 times:

Quoting VHXLR8 (Reply 6):
think MEL-SYD would be up there on the passenger number. Number 2 at least; given that most of those flights are 767, and some A330s and 747s.

MEL-SYD is a very hefty corridor for widebodys and heavy seats. One thing one must take into consideration is that although QF, and UA operate the route with widebodies, the flights are seldom packed. The only time those flights seem to go out full is on Mondays, and Fridays. Is anyone aware if the rumor is true that United Airlines is going to change the SYD-MEL flight from originating in Los Angeles to originating in San Francisco? In addition there has been a lot of talk, good and bad that UAL will re-introduce LAX-AKL continuing to MEL with the 772?

What is the LF for JL/NH HND-ITM? HND-FUK? HND-CTS?

Quoting EI787 (Reply 13):
We have roughly:

DUB - LCY: 6 x Day (CityJet)

DUB - LGW: 9 x Day (Ryanair, British Airways)

DUB - LHR: 22 X Day (Aer Lingus, British Midland)

DUB - LTN: 4 X Day (Ryanair)

DUB - STN: 11 X Day (Ryanair)

Total of 52 Flights Daily (Approx.)

By the above calculations one must then consider the Los Angeles basin to Bay Area market as one unit.

LAX, SNA, LGB, ONT, BUR - SJC, OAK, SFO

B6, AA, AS, UA, DL*, F9, WN

Cheers!


User currently offlineJacobin777 From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 14968 posts, RR: 60
Reply 24, posted (7 years 11 months 1 week 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 5349 times:

Between AA, UA, and DL......ORD-LGA has almost 40 flights alone...


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25 NewYorkCityBoi : Yeah.. but in Japan, it's not that they use wide body and it has few flight a day. For example Tokyo-Osaka has more about 30 flights a day with all w
26 QFSYD744 : AA 18x per day UA 12x per day DL*5x per day
27 Post contains images Jacobin777 : With respect..that is incorrect QFSYD744.. AA: AA398 ORD 6:05 AM LGA 9:10 AM M80 2h05m AA394 ORD 6:35 AM LGA 9:40 AM M80 2h05m AA376 ORD 7:30 AM LGA
28 Spark : I think a much more interesting report would be the corridor statistics, with number of flights between markets and not just airport pairs. I'm pretty
29 VHVXB : Nice to see it up there why do you put UA there when the don't pick pax up from SYD These majority of the flgihts which operated by widebodies are in
30 LipeGIG : Rio - Sao Paulo shuttle service is a 228 miles flight. G3 uses Boeing 737-700 (144 seats, 28 flights per day), RG uses Boeing 737-300 (136 seats, 32
31 QFSYD744 : Most if not all of the 737-800, 737-400, 767-300 and A330 are not international bound at either end. Also note that the 747-400 and 747-300 are nearl
32 N1120A : Actually, technically, they can. UA is allowed to carry those connecting to/from their SFO flight as well as being allowed to carry O&D Americans as
33 VHVXB : QF's SFO flight oringates from MEL. MEL-SYD-SFO. Yes thats right but not passengers orginating from SYD
34 Post contains images QFSYD744 : - Do the SFO-SYD transit pax count? Question, doesnt that flight have a equipment change en-route? Cheers Mate!
35 VHVXB : No it doesn't change. It is the B744 all the way there and back
36 SESGDL : AA also has 5 daily ATL-LGA flights. Those numbers are a bit off though. From ATL-LGA DL has 16, ATL-EWR 10, and ATL-JFK there are 8. From ATL-EWR CO
37 QFSYD744 : Find below the flights operated between the Bay Area and Los Angeles region Oakland Burbank Southwest Airlines = 16 x per day Long Beach Jet Blue = 4
38 Timz : Just counting one direction, right?
39 QFSYD744 : Correct, everything is to be doubled for actual north-south roundtrips.
40 StationManager : There are the same flights per week as were in 1991 before the AVE started to do the route. Air traffic between PAR and LYS or BRU cannot be compared
41 Planemaker : If that is so (that there has been no increase in weekly flights since 1991), then that would show that almost all growth in travel between Madrid an
42 Aisak : They don't fly Puente Aéreo. Puente Aéreo (Pont Aeri in Catalan) is the commercial name for Iberia's Air Shuttle service between MAD and BCN. It's
43 Naritaflyer : If the world's busiest route is not New York-Chicago then it has to be Sapporo-Tokyo.
44 Timz : By passenger count Sapporo-Tokyo might well be the world's busiest, but not by flight count. NY-Chicago is nothing special, by either criterion.
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