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BA Move To T5 At LHR To Be Staged.  
User currently offlineTristarSteve From Sweden, joined Nov 2005, 3982 posts, RR: 34
Posted (7 years 10 months 1 week 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 9555 times:

T5 at LHR will open on 28 Mar 2008.
On this date BA will move the shorthaul operation in from T1 and T4 except for the B757 fleet (which will stay in T1 and operate to Spain/Italy.)
Also on the date the Miami flights will move from T3 to T5.
In April 08 BA will move the longhaul operation from T4 to T5 except for the Australian flights which will stay in T4. BMED flights will also move to T5.
In June 08 the B757 fleet will move from T1 to T3.
In October 08 the Australia flights will move from T4 to T3 and BMED will move from T5 to T3.

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User currently offlineDavid L From United Kingdom, joined May 1999, 9523 posts, RR: 42
Reply 1, posted (7 years 10 months 1 week 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 9470 times:

Why is the 757 fleet moving separately?

User currently offlineCloud4000 From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 641 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (7 years 10 months 1 week 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 9426 times:

I thought Terminal 5 would house all BA and One World flights?


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User currently offlineTristarsteve From Sweden, joined Nov 2005, 3982 posts, RR: 34
Reply 3, posted (7 years 10 months 1 week 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 9426 times:

Because it is moving to T3 not T5.
I am sure it is waiting for someone else to move from T3 to T1 first.
There are a lot of airlines moving that summer.


User currently offlineDavid L From United Kingdom, joined May 1999, 9523 posts, RR: 42
Reply 4, posted (7 years 10 months 1 week 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 9355 times:

Quoting Tristarsteve (Reply 3):
Because it is moving to T3 not T5

D'oh! So it is. Sorry!

OK, I've re-thought the question: apart from being comprised of 757s, how is that fleet different from the rest, i.e. why are they moving to Terminal 3? Sorry, it's probably a very basic question but I just don't know what routes the 757s operate these days.


User currently offlineJGPH1A From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (7 years 10 months 1 week 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 9262 times:

Makes sense to keep the Australia flights in T3, as there's no room for QF in T5. The JSA means that BA and QF treat each other's flights pretty much as their own, and it would make the codeshare virtually unmanageable if they were in different terminals.

Don't understand why the 757 fleet stays at T3 though - is there any particular practicality behind it ?


User currently offlineCommavia From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 11436 posts, RR: 61
Reply 6, posted (7 years 10 months 1 week 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 9212 times:

With T3 becoming the new oneworld terminal, housing all the airlines except BA, isn't the terminal going to be getting a facelift? I remember hearing about it, and dear lord does that terminal need it.

User currently offlineLHR777 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (7 years 10 months 1 week 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 9183 times:

Quoting JGPH1A (Reply 5):
Don't understand why the 757 fleet stays at T3 though - is there any particular practicality behind it ?

So there's only one narrowbody shorthaul fleet at T5 - i.e. - A319/320/321 series aircraft. It's for training and ground handling commonality reasons. It's more effective to reduce the variety of aircraft types in a terminal. So T5 will basically see 744, 772, 763 and A319/20/21 aircraft types. Possibly expanding to 773/748/787 and maybe A380 in the future.


User currently offlineBy188b From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2003, 709 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (7 years 10 months 1 week 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 9099 times:

So where will the shorthaul BA767's Be based? T3 or T5? or are BA moving all 767's to longhaul flying?


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User currently offlineMRURUN From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2006, 155 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (7 years 10 months 1 week 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 9049 times:

Quoting TristarSteve (Thread starter):
BMED flights will also move to T5.



Quoting TristarSteve (Thread starter):
BMED will move from T5 to T3.

Why are KJ moving so much?


User currently offlineThowman From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2004, 363 posts, RR: 3
Reply 10, posted (7 years 10 months 1 week 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 8947 times:

The 757 fleet will be in T3 to operate to Spain and Italy, as stated above.

At least, in the case of Spain, there is no room for IB in T5 (as with QF) and so all one world flights to Spain will be operated by IB & BA from T3.

At least the current situation where the codeshare flights go from different terminals will become a thing of the past. It will be much, much easier than the present arrangement.


User currently offlineVV701 From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2005, 7399 posts, RR: 17
Reply 11, posted (7 years 10 months 1 week 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 8839 times:

Although I do not dispute TristarSteve's timetable for operations out of T5 I believe that BA start to takre over the new terminal in just a year moving in their first staff in September 2007.

One of the interesting questions is why use the 752 fleet on flights to Spain and Italy? I guess that the size of the fleet - 13 aircraft - was an important determinant as was the code share flights operated by BA and IB to Spain. But as Spain in particular is a popular LCC destination it is interesting that BA will be devoting one of the larger aircraft in its shorthaul fleet to this and the Italian market. I also wonder whether this move will leave BA short of capacity on other European and domestic routes. However I guess that BA will be taking delivery of the oustanding part of its 321 order about the time of the T5 opening. These aircraft along with additional new 320s that will start joing the fleet in November next year will replace the old 320 fleet originally ordered by BCal.


User currently offlineKaitak744 From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 2364 posts, RR: 3
Reply 12, posted (7 years 10 months 1 week 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 8827 times:

Well, TristarSteve forgot to mention that once T5C is finished (in like 2010), ALL BA flights will work their way into T5.

User currently offlineCarpethead From Japan, joined Aug 2004, 2946 posts, RR: 3
Reply 13, posted (7 years 10 months 1 week 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 8761 times:

Why isn't the new T5 open all at once? Are there some gates that are not going to be ready at the opening?
It would seem having a staged move would just confuse travelers during the long transition period.
It's not like BA's ops are moving to a new airport.


User currently offlineN1120A From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 26376 posts, RR: 76
Reply 14, posted (7 years 10 months 1 week 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 8757 times:

Quoting Cloud4000 (Reply 2):
I thought Terminal 5 would house all BA and One World flights?

That was never the plan. The original plan was to move all of BA and QF to T5 and dedicate T3 to OneWorld.



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User currently offlineKaitak744 From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 2364 posts, RR: 3
Reply 15, posted (7 years 10 months 1 week 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 8723 times:

Quoting Carpethead (Reply 13):
Why isn't the new T5 open all at once? Are there some gates that are not going to be ready at the opening?
It would seem having a staged move would just confuse travelers during the long transition period.
It's not like BA's ops are moving to a new airport.

I guess BAA doesn't have enough money to build it all at once. The gates along the main check-in area and the first satellite consourse will open in 2008. BA will move in, and then a couple years later, the second satelite will be finished.


User currently offlineTonforty From United Kingdom, joined May 2006, 69 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (7 years 10 months 1 week 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 8639 times:

So are BA planning on taking the 757 off domestic routes such as GLA before then, and just using them for Spain and Italy?

User currently offlineTristarSteve From Sweden, joined Nov 2005, 3982 posts, RR: 34
Reply 17, posted (7 years 10 months 1 week 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 8547 times:

Quoting Tonforty (Reply 16):
So are BA planning on taking the 757 off domestic routes such as GLA before then, and just using them for Spain and Italy?

As far as I know the B757 will ONLY operate to Spain and Italy from start of Summer season 2008.
What happens when these routes move into T5 is unknown to me.

By the way until T5C opens, there will be a lot of off pier movements. Up to 30% has been mentioned. So lots of work for the bus drivers!


User currently offline8herveg From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2006, 1174 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (7 years 10 months 1 week 5 days ago) and read 8456 times:

Could someone please tell me how passengers will transfer from T3 - T5 (and vise versa). I know they are building an underground system for baggage between the two terminals, but will passengers still have to use a bus?

User currently offlineTristarSteve From Sweden, joined Nov 2005, 3982 posts, RR: 34
Reply 19, posted (7 years 10 months 1 week 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 8414 times:

Quoting 8herveg (Reply 18):
but will passengers still have to use a bus

A road tunnel has been built to connect T3 with all the T5 satellites. So I presume a bus service will run through this airside tunnel.


User currently offlineThowman From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2004, 363 posts, RR: 3
Reply 20, posted (7 years 10 months 1 week 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 8368 times:

Quoting Tonforty (Reply 16):
So are BA planning on taking the 757 off domestic routes such as GLA before then, and just using them for Spain and Italy?

I think you'll see more use of the 321s on domestics.


User currently offlineJacobin777 From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 14968 posts, RR: 60
Reply 21, posted (7 years 10 months 1 week 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 7788 times:

Quoting Thowman (Reply 20):

I think you'll see more use of the 321s on domestics.

BA's A321's look fantastic.. thumbsup 


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Quoting TristarSteve (Reply 19):
A road tunnel has been built to connect T3 with all the T5 satellites. So I presume a bus service will run through this airside tunnel.

this is a joke...I'm an AA/OneWorld Flyer and this transferring between terminals seems worse than what it is right now...I'm not so sure if I'm looking forward to it.....



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User currently offlineTristarSteve From Sweden, joined Nov 2005, 3982 posts, RR: 34
Reply 22, posted (7 years 10 months 1 week 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 7533 times:

Quoting Jacobin777 (Reply 21):
this transferring between terminals seems worse than what it is right now...I'm not so sure if I'm looking forward to it.....

No its not worse. You use a bus now to go from T4 to T1 and its a long way. The bus from T3 to T5 will be through a short tunnel. If you are landside the Heathrow Express train will connect and the London Underground.
A people mover train will connect the three terminals of T5 together. The first train was delivered this week. The bus must go through a tunnel as there are four taxiways between the two terminals.
Remember that LHR, being the busiest International airport in the world is also one of the smallest in terms of area. There just isn't room for a better solution.


User currently offlineG-CIVP From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2001, 1314 posts, RR: 10
Reply 23, posted (7 years 10 months 1 week 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 7307 times:

Mmm. I thought the BA B757 fleet was retired by 2008. I really don't buy this version of events!

User currently offlineSam1987 From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2005, 946 posts, RR: 1
Reply 24, posted (7 years 10 months 1 week 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 7297 times:

Quoting VV701 (Reply 11):
why use the 752 fleet on flights to Spain and Italy?

Because they are the right size for the demand on the Spanish and Italian routes. It makes it easier if they dedicate two countries in Terminal 3 (for the passengers), and easier if they concentrate one aircraft type to one terminal (for logistical reasons).

Quoting N1120A (Reply 14):
The original plan was to move all of BA and QF to T5 and dedicate T3 to OneWorld.

True, but it turns out Terminal 5 won't have the capacity. I think that works well, because Terminal 5 will be purely BA.

Quoting TristarSteve (Reply 17):
As far as I know the B757 will ONLY operate to Spain and Italy from start of Summer season 2008.

True; the start of the summer 2008 season being when the first major changes will take place.



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25 LHR777 : Money is not an issue for BAA. The issue was that the land for T5C was owned by Thames Water and was part of the sewage works on the T5 site. BAA too
26 Sam1987 : So just to confirm what has been said above... the following will apply from October 2008: Terminal 3 BA flights to Spain and Italy (operated by 757s)
27 Someone83 : Wher would Star Alliance member go?
28 Someone83 : Where would Star Alliance members go? As most of them are today situated at T3 except LH (T2), LX (T2), BD (T1) would there be alot of airliner moving
29 LHR777 : Again, this is the plan: T1 - Star Alliance T2 - Demolished T3 - OneWorld and Virgin, BA Australia/Italy/Spain ops. T4 - SkyTeam and non-alligned carr
30 Humberside : T1/T2/Heathrow East wil eventually become the Star terminal
31 Lovinitflyboy : I remember reading in Skyport (LHR Newspaper) that Virgin was moving to T1 with Star Alliance. Would make more sense there with all there ties with B
32 Jfk777 : I'm disapointed in BA getting T5 all for themselves(what else should we expect) and not letting other ONEWORLD airlines like AA, JL & Cathay share the
33 N1120A : T5 isn't large enough to accomidate the other OneWorld carriers.
34 Post contains images Jacobin777 : Ok..thanks for the information... .. That being said, I still dont' think its situated properly...BAA should allow BA/OneWorld connections to be as s
35 LHR777 : So, given the physical restraints of the Heathrow site, where would you locate T5? It's in the best location for T3-T5 connections. Much better than
36 MRURUN : Indeed, this crossed my mind as well. 75's are not used SOLELY to Italy/Spain (what about off season LCA or even BUD or the occassional ATH?) I'm sur
37 Jacobin777 : I would have liked to see more OneWorld Carriers at T5...especially AA, as it is one of the larger OneWorld operators @ LHR....
38 Kaitak744 : Yes, Virgin will move to T1 once Heathrow East is completed. For now, Virgin and Star can't fit in T1. There are only 12? heavy gates.
39 LHR777 : Unfortunately, Heathrow East wont be available until at least March 2012. So VS will be using T3 until then. Also, T1 wont exist, T1 and T2 will be c
40 BAStew : Hey tristar thanks for the info! Where did you see this information? As far as we had been aware within BA the whole operation was moving on one cuto
41 777236ER : ...or we could build a new airport in the Thames Estuary and phase out Heathrow all together.
42 Humberside : So LHR will have a T5 but only 4 terminals (Heathrow East, T3, T4, T5)?
43 8herveg : A bit off subject, but when and why did BA stop operating to Bilbao?
44 Jacobin777 : All the environmentalists would go bonkers.....and would be probably a bit too expensive....
45 Post contains images Vasu : I always said Cliffe Airport would've been the best thing ever
46 N1120A : Which is exactly the reason they couldn't use T5 With good reason. Estuaries are some of the most bio-diverse areas in existance. PHX doesn't have a
47 Kaitak744 : The project is called Heathrow East. When it is finished, it will have a terminal number. Either 1 or 2 (likely 1).
48 Post contains links VV701 : You can check it out in the BA press release dated 9 June. This includes a statement that their 757 fleet will serve Italy and Spain from T3 starting
49 LHR777 : What's your source for that? My wife's a manager at BAA @ LHR and says she's not heard of that. (She's been wrong before though!)
50 Speedmarque : Wouldn't it make sense to call T5 Heathrow West, T3 Heathrow Central, T4 Heathrow South and of course, the new bit Heathrow East?[Edited 2006-09-24 16
51 8herveg : Thats what I suggested a few weeks ago. I think it sounds like a great idea. Great idea!
52 G-CIVP : VV701 - thanks for the link, I stand corrected!
53 Yak97 : If you follow the Ryanair idea, Stansted could become Heathrow EAST and Gatwick becomes Heathrow SOUTH?
54 JGPH1A : I don't understand why VS don't move to T4 as their own dedicated facility - with a few other carriers to fill up space. VS don't really codeshare ON
55 Trekster : Where is this information coming from on the BA move.????? What are your sources
56 N1120A : It might be a precursor to a lifting of BII
57 Concorde001 : I think it is to with the fact that AF, AZ and KL handle alot of traffic at LHR, not mention the possibility of new carriers being handled by them. L
58 TristarSteve : The internal BA Engineering Intranet T5 Sep update.
59 Kaitak744 : T4 is dedicated to Skyteam and nonaligned carriers. So, T4 will be well used. Also, alot of the SkyTeam members do ground handling for other airlines
60 Lovinitflyboy : What about future expansion, what would we call that terminal/s there is already talk of terminal 6! I heard that KQ will be joining Skyteam, and the
61 8herveg : Heathrow North maybe!?!? Since it would be north of the airport!
62 Lovinitflyboy : T6 could still be at Hatton Cross where the hangers are at the moment, the 3rd runway is planned to go north of the airfield but T6 (as far as i know
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