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UFO L1011 At SEA, What Airline?  
User currently offlineER757 From Cayman Islands, joined May 2005, 2606 posts, RR: 7
Posted (8 years 2 months 4 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 4342 times:

Several times in the past few months, including today, there has been an L1011 at the south satellite that has a plain white fuselage and a dark blue tail. There are no markings that I can see from my vantage point about 1/4 mile away. I thought maybe it was ATA, but I looked through the photo database here for ATA L1011 shots in the past year and saw nothing that matched. There were a couple shots of ones with a plain blue tail, but the fueslage had the ATA titles prominently displayed. Anyone know what airline this bird belongs too? Today's flight departed approx 11:30 AM if that helps. Any help is appreciated.
Thanks

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User currently offlineAirCop From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (8 years 2 months 4 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 4336 times:

It was ATA #7462 to IND.

User currently offlineER757 From Cayman Islands, joined May 2005, 2606 posts, RR: 7
Reply 2, posted (8 years 2 months 4 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 4324 times:

Quoting AirCop (Reply 1):
It was ATA #7462 to IND.

Thanks - ATA after all.


User currently offlineWjcandee From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 5329 posts, RR: 23
Reply 3, posted (8 years 2 months 4 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 4309 times:

This is the US Military pacific rotator flight, which goes to Japan and elsewhere from SEA. ATA has it on an L1011-500 at least through the end of September. After that, the new fiscal year begins for the Air Mobility Command, and the fixed buy portion is now classified for security reasons, so I don't even know if the flights will continue on the same schedule as this year. However, if they do, there's no guarantee that they will be on an ATA L1011.

N162AT and N163AT got the same paint scheme when they were D-checked between last October and February. They may get billboard titles in the future. Sorry it was so hard for you to find this:

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User currently offlineTZTriStar500 From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 1459 posts, RR: 9
Reply 4, posted (8 years 2 months 4 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 4277 times:

Quoting Wjcandee (Reply 3):
N162AT and N163AT got the same paint scheme when they were D-checked between last October and February. They may get billboard titles in the future. Sorry it was so hard for you to find this:

N164AT will be entering D check the middle of October and is getting the same paint scheme as 162 and 163. Shortly, all 3 will then receive 4 X 6 foot ATA logo decals on the fwd fuselage above the window line so they don't go around incognito any longer. The AMC prefers to have the company logo displayed prominently on their contractor's aircraft and this is a cheaper alternative to the full new scheme.



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User currently offline474218 From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 6340 posts, RR: 9
Reply 5, posted (8 years 2 months 4 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 4164 times:

Quoting TZTriStar500 (Reply 4):
N164AT will be entering D check the middle of October

I have several questions:

Is it going to Gamco?

When is N161AT scheduled for a "D" Check?

Have all your -500's had the rear spar mods?

I know the -500's are almost exclusively military charter but can you provide any dispatch reliability numbers?

Thanks in advance.

Carl


User currently offlineTZTriStar500 From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 1459 posts, RR: 9
Reply 6, posted (8 years 2 months 4 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 3948 times:

Quoting 474218 (Reply 5):
Is it going to Gamco?

When is N161AT scheduled for a "D" Check?

Have all your -500's had the rear spar mods?

I know the -500's are almost exclusively military charter but can you provide any dispatch reliability numbers?

For security reasons on a public forum, I'd rather not say where heavy maintenance is performed.

Yes, all four -500s left (161, 162, 163, 164) have had the rear spar mods. Only 160 did not receive it and was grounded right before the mandated date. There is now another rear spar mod required by August 2010 for the outer wing (mandated by FAA AD2005-15-01)

Over the last year and a half, the L-1011 fleet has had dispatch reliability in the 94-98% range.



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User currently offlineFalstaff From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 6164 posts, RR: 29
Reply 7, posted (8 years 2 months 4 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 3897 times:
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How many L1011s does ATA have flying and parked? There seem to be lots of parked L1011s. Is a particular model or engine type preferable when choosing to operate such a plane?


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User currently offlineBh From United States of America, joined Jul 2001, 525 posts, RR: 1
Reply 8, posted (8 years 2 months 4 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 3862 times:

All the 100's have been parked with 194 the last to go,it's still sitting in miami as a parts machine for a damaged L-1011 down there.I believe one of the reasons was that there was no more support for the engines that were on it.I'm sure somebody could give you more in depth info.

Back at my former company we always preferred the 100's on the reliability side vs the 500's when they first came online.Nothing like downloading a 500 at midnight and waiting for a recovery flight from DTW or IND at 0300.The only drawback on the 100's was sometimes they would have to stop for fuel on the way back to us.All in all good times,glad to see the dispatch reliability has come up.

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User currently offlineTZTriStar500 From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 1459 posts, RR: 9
Reply 9, posted (8 years 2 months 4 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 3749 times:

Quoting Bh (Reply 8):
How many L1011s does ATA have flying and parked? There seem to be lots of parked L1011s. Is a particular model or engine type preferable when choosing to operate such a plane?

4 -500s left flying (N161-164AT). 1 -100 sold in May (N194AT) and 8 parked in ROW (N160, 186, 188, 189, 191, 195, 197, 198AT) which have been sold for scrap.



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User currently offlineWjcandee From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 5329 posts, RR: 23
Reply 10, posted (8 years 2 months 4 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 3621 times:

Quoting TZTriStar500 (Reply 4):
4 X 6 foot ATA logo decals on the fwd fuselage above the window line

Eeeeeeew. Sigh.


User currently offlineWjcandee From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 5329 posts, RR: 23
Reply 11, posted (8 years 2 months 4 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 3617 times:

Quoting 474218 (Reply 5):
Is it going to Gamco?

I don't know, but you probably know that there are limited places that one can D-check an L1011 these days, and it's public knowledge where the other two were D-checked.

Quoting Falstaff (Reply 7):
Is a particular model or engine type preferable when choosing to operate such a plane?

One issue is that it's virtually impossible to overhaul a -22B engine these days (at least in compliance with US requirements), so you want a -524 engine on your L1011 if you want to do more than park it and stare at it.


User currently offlineTZTriStar500 From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 1459 posts, RR: 9
Reply 12, posted (8 years 2 months 4 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 3487 times:

Quoting Wjcandee (Reply 11):
I don't know, but you probably know that there are limited places that one can D-check an L1011 these days, and it's public knowledge where the other two were D-checked.

Your are correct and it can probably be figured out, but as an ATA employee I am just not comfortable confirming and advertising it any longer.

Quoting Wjcandee (Reply 11):
so you want a -524 engine on your L1011 if you want to do more than park it and stare at it.

I am not the engine expert, but I do know that we have several major AD issues on the -524 right now as well as chronic vibration issues so even this engine is becoming increasingly difficult to operate.

Now the L-1011 does have its share of aging aircraft issues which make it harder to operate, but its ashame that it seems to be dying off a little earlier due to the engines and their related problems more so than the airframe itself. There is no longer a large stable of airworthy aircraft or reputable operators so a firm business case for a re-engining program is simply not possible.



35 years of American Trans Air/ATA Airlines, 1973-2008. A great little airline that will not be soon forgotten.
User currently offlineTZTriStar500 From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 1459 posts, RR: 9
Reply 13, posted (8 years 2 months 4 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 3469 times:

Quoting Wjcandee (Reply 10):
Quoting TZTriStar500 (Reply 4):
4 X 6 foot ATA logo decals on the fwd fuselage above the window line

Eeeeeeew. Sigh.

Sorry man. Sad I tried, but this is the best we can do. wink  If it was any bigger, it would stretch over the window line and then we might as well put the full size on which would need to be painted. I don't think it will look half bad. At least it will have some form of corporate identity.



35 years of American Trans Air/ATA Airlines, 1973-2008. A great little airline that will not be soon forgotten.
User currently offlineWjcandee From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 5329 posts, RR: 23
Reply 14, posted (8 years 2 months 4 weeks ago) and read 3424 times:

Quoting TZTriStar500 (Reply 12):
Your are correct and it can probably be figured out, but as an ATA employee I am just not comfortable confirming and advertising it any longer.

Smart move. I don't disagree. Hey, it could have been D-checked at Marshall's.


User currently offlineWjcandee From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 5329 posts, RR: 23
Reply 15, posted (8 years 2 months 4 weeks ago) and read 3422 times:

Quoting TZTriStar500 (Reply 12):
we have several major AD issues on the -524 right now as well as chronic vibration issues so even this engine is becoming increasingly difficult to operate.

Goodbye, L1011. Hello, DC10.


User currently offlineWjcandee From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 5329 posts, RR: 23
Reply 16, posted (8 years 2 months 4 weeks ago) and read 3422 times:

Quoting TZTriStar500 (Reply 13):
If it was any bigger, it would stretch over the window line and then we might as well put the full size on which would need to be painted

Agreed.

Quoting TZTriStar500 (Reply 13):
I don't think it will look half bad.

Agreed again. It just woulda looked SO cool. But there is zero business case for the billboard logo.


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