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Lufthansa On A380 Delays, Confidence In Airbus..  
User currently offlineKeesje From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (7 years 6 months 3 weeks 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 9356 times:

Reacting to further delays in the delivery of the A380, Lufthansa's head said in Beijing Friday that he stood behind the European air plane manufacturer, saying that delays in the business are not unusual.

"We trust Airbus. There is no reason not to have confidence," said Lufthansa's Wolfgang Mayrhuber.

http://www.lhsystems.com/global/image/news/press_nov_05_03_cockpit.jpg

http://rawstory.com/news/2006/Luftha...hina_to_build_Asia_s_09222006.html

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User currently offlineIkramerica From United States of America, joined May 2005, 21413 posts, RR: 60
Reply 1, posted (7 years 6 months 3 weeks 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 9350 times:

Up to 2 year delays are not unusual?

Another case of national pride, more likely. At least AF is more practical in that regard...



Of all the things to worry about... the Wookie has no pants.
User currently offlineColumba From Germany, joined Dec 2004, 7025 posts, RR: 4
Reply 2, posted (7 years 6 months 3 weeks 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 9339 times:

Quoting Keesje (Thread starter):
Reacting to further delays in the delivery of the A380, Lufthansa's head said in Beijing Friday that he stood behind the European air plane manufacturer, saying that delays in the business are not unusual.

"We trust Airbus. There is no reason not to have confidence," said Lufthansa's Wolfgang Mayrhuber.

Sure they have confidence in Airbus but also keep in mind that they just ordered additional A330s for a very good deal as a compensation for the A380 delay.
What do you expect them to say afterwards.



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User currently offline777ER From New Zealand, joined Dec 2003, 11845 posts, RR: 18
Reply 3, posted (7 years 6 months 3 weeks 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 9319 times:
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Well LH has got no other choice but to have faith in Airbus because there is no other airliner offering the same amount of seats as the A380. If they want the number of seats offered then they have to wait for as long as it takes for Airbus to finally get it right.

User currently offlineLeelaw From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (7 years 6 months 3 weeks 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 9309 times:

It's nice to have friends during "times of troubles." I guess in this industry unconditional love means rationalizing away the botched industrial ramp-up on an unprecedented scale of a vendor's marquee program .

User currently offlineBAW716 From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 2026 posts, RR: 27
Reply 5, posted (7 years 6 months 3 weeks 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 9284 times:

It's not national pride. LH is one of the carriers that is "stuck" with the A380. Their country is a major player in Airbus and LH has been progressively moving toward an all Airbus fleet (although they may not admit it outright).

In the case of LH, they will get additional A346s from Airbus to fill in (really cheap I suspect) until the A380 is ready. I'm also reasonably certain that there will be a few A346s on the used aircraft market soon as well. The Germans will figure it out...and it will work...for them.

baw716



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User currently offlineLeskova From Germany, joined Oct 2003, 6075 posts, RR: 70
Reply 6, posted (7 years 6 months 3 weeks 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 9056 times:

I realize that it's just close to mind-boggling for a lot of people here on a.net that an Airbus customer just might, indeed, still have confidence in the manufacturer...  Yeah sure ... might I just suggest that LH could, just perhaps, have a bit more information available to make such a statement than we here do?

But I do have to agree that, while technically correct, the statement that delays are normal just does seem a bit odd here: a month, maybe two months, perhaps even half a year... but in excess of a year? With, after more than a year already announced, another yet-to-be-announced delay? LH seems to have received some really sweet offers from Airbus in these past days...



Smile - it confuses people!
User currently offlineHalibut From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (7 years 6 months 3 weeks 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 8981 times:

Quoting Leelaw (Reply 4):
It's nice to have friends during "times of troubles." I guess in this industry unconditional love means rationalizing away the botched industrial ramp-up on an unprecedented scale of a vendor's marquee program .

 blush 

Quoting Keesje (Thread starter):
Lufthansa On A380 Delays, Confidence In Airbus..

What about the shareholders ? How do they feel ?

 banghead 

Halibut


User currently offlineHalibut From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (7 years 6 months 3 weeks 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 8945 times:

Quoting Halibut (Reply 7):
What about the shareholders ? How do they feel ?

http://www.heraldnet.com/stories/06/09/22/100loc_a1airbus001.cfm

Published: Friday, September 22, 2006

Airbus suffers another setback
Boeing can only benefit from the latest delay for the A380, analysts say.


And as Airbus announced its bad news, Boeing posted new orders worth up to $5.4 billion, including 16 orders from an unidentified buyer for the new 787 Dreamliner, which will be built in Everett. The company also took 31 orders for its 737.

Airbus' inability to meet deadlines on the A380 could spill over and affect its other lines, said Scott Hamilton, an industry analyst with Leeham Co.

The company, however, did not offer a new timetable or cost estimate. The European defense group's shares fell 2.2 percent to 22.30 euros in Paris.


Halibut


User currently offlineKeesje From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (7 years 6 months 3 weeks 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 8854 times:

Quoting Halibut (Reply 9):
Airbus' inability to meet deadlines on the A380 could spill over and affect its other lines, said Scott Hamilton, an industry analyst with Leeham Co.

The company, however, did not offer a new timetable or cost estimate. The European defense group's shares fell 2.2 percent to 22.30 euros in Paris.

Halibut

I think there are many independent, objective analist in the US. Leeham co. isn't one of them.

The markets should read a.net more I guess, they seem un-impressed..

http://iracs.isg.de/eads/2005/chart_...A.NYS&TYPE=1&CTYPE=0&AVG1=0&AVG2=0

[Edited 2006-09-22 14:52:11]

User currently offlineEDDB From Germany, joined Aug 2006, 244 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (7 years 6 months 3 weeks 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 8832 times:

Quoting Leelaw (Reply 8):
Mohammed Saeed al-Sahaf and Wolfgang Mayrhuber, twin brothers born of different mothers? Big grin

Rather strange sort of humor.....  thumbsdown 

Quoting Halibut (Reply 7):
What about the shareholders ? How do they feel ?

Not bad at all! All the bad news is prized in and most analysts talk of 26-30 Euros, which is about 20-40% up from todays quote, so I won't give away a single share! Think about it, they estimate 2 billion � less revenue during the next years, but they had to pay BAE roundabout the same amount less than originally estimated... So from (my) shareholder point of view, I'm looking forward to next year or so when everything is back on track!


User currently offlineHalibut From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (7 years 6 months 3 weeks 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 8750 times:

Quoting EDDB (Reply 11):
So from (my) shareholder point of view, I'm looking forward to next year or so when everything is back on track!

I'm no stock broker . But, I would think now is a good time to buy EADS shares . However , it's a totally different story if one bought a bunch of EADS shares a year ago ! Because if one bought $10,000 worth of EADS shares a year ago , it's now worth approx. $7,500 !

Halibut


User currently offlineRevelation From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 11918 posts, RR: 25
Reply 12, posted (7 years 6 months 3 weeks 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 8692 times:

Quoting Keesje (Thread starter):
"We trust Airbus. There is no reason not to have confidence," said Lufthansa's Wolfgang Mayrhuber.

That's just laughable. Airbus has blown through two years of delays six months at a time, and still can't tell him when LH is going to get delivery of its A380s, and even if he gets a date, how can he believe it? His statement is more than just laughable, it's ridiculous. It's purely posturing. If he isn't worried about his company's investments in A380s, then he must be incompetent.

Quoting Leskova (Reply 6):
I realize that it's just close to mind-boggling for a lot of people here on a.net that an Airbus customer just might, indeed, still have confidence in the manufacturer... Yeah sure ... might I just suggest that LH could, just perhaps, have a bit more information available to make such a statement than we here do?

Is that the information from that 100 day plan, which is now a 128 day plan, that Airbus adamantly insists is not yet available?

Quoting EDDB (Reply 11):
Think about it, they estimate 2 billion � less revenue during the next years, but they had to pay BAE roundabout the same amount less than originally estimated... So from (my) shareholder point of view, I'm looking forward to next year or so when everything is back on track!

You will be waiting a lot more than a year. Think about it. The 2 billion figure was from the last slip, we won't know what the new number is for another 28 days. The A380 development was funded largely from income and from launch aid. It should be bringing in the income now that is needed to fund the A350, but it just is not. Think about ElGreco's quote saying each A380 is taking 40 000 additional hours to make it right, and rumours are saying only three will be delivered next year. The A350 is projected to cost 12 billion and launch aid is questionable. Add to that the cash going to the BA payout, and the fact that their hedging of the euro against the dollar appears to be running out. The weak dollar, strong euro situation doesn't appear to be changing any time soon. The Russians are investing big in EADS and will want to have a say in matters, which makes the already complicated situation even worse. So, it seems fairly clear to me at least that there are better investment opportunties out there than EADS stock.



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User currently offlineSwissy From Switzerland, joined Jan 2005, 1734 posts, RR: 4
Reply 13, posted (7 years 6 months 3 weeks 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 8638 times:

Quoting EDDB (Reply 11):
Not bad at all! All the bad news is prized in and most analysts talk of 26-30 Euros, which is about 20-40% up from todays quote, so I won't give away a single share! Think about it, they estimate 2 billion � less revenue during the next years, but they had to pay BAE roundabout the same amount less than originally estimated... So from (my) shareholder point of view, I'm looking forward to next year or so when everything is back on track!

Same here, no panic, why should I..............

Quoting Halibut (Reply 13):
I'm no stock broker . But, I would think now is a good time to buy EADS shares . However , it's a totally different story if one bought a bunch of EADS shares a year ago ! Because if one bought $10,000 worth of EADS shares a year ago , it's now worth approx. $7,500 !

Correct and that is how it goes......... but no worries if you think long term....

I am sure all you guys have an understanding what "respect" means, LH is long enough in business to understand the issues AB has with the 380 so why is it so hard to understand that LH is committed to the 380..... no buts and ifs.

LH will never be an all AB airline that is for sure, if they go with the 350 I can see them taking some 787 but no T7 and the 747-8 will fit nicely in between
350 & 380.

Cheers,


User currently offlineTom_EDDF From Germany, joined Apr 2000, 451 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (7 years 6 months 3 weeks 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 8387 times:

Quoting Revelation (Reply 12):
That's just laughable. Airbus has blown through two years of delays six months at a time, and still can't tell him when LH is going to get delivery of its A380s, and even if he gets a date, how can he believe it? His statement is more than just laughable, it's ridiculous. It's purely posturing. If he isn't worried about his company's investments in A380s, then he must be incompetent.

Lufthansa is commonly recognized as one of the best managed airlines, I find it hard to assume their management is "incompetent".


User currently offlineHb88 From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2005, 814 posts, RR: 31
Reply 15, posted (7 years 6 months 3 weeks 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 8378 times:

Quoting Tom_EDDF (Reply 14):
Quoting Revelation (Reply 12):
"That's just laughable. Airbus has blown through two years of delays six months at a time, and still can't tell him when LH is going to get delivery of its A380s, and even if he gets a date, how can he believe it? His statement is more than just laughable, it's ridiculous. It's purely posturing. If he isn't worried about his company's investments in A380s, then he must be incompetent."

Lufthansa is commonly recognized as one of the best managed airlines, I find it hard to assume their management is "incompetent".

I guess the difference is that Lufthansa don't desparately *want* the A380 to fail. I'm sure they take a hard, cold business view of the situation and for them, what you see is what you get.


User currently offlineRevelation From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 11918 posts, RR: 25
Reply 16, posted (7 years 6 months 3 weeks 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 8323 times:

Tom_EDDF and Hb88, can you think of a single reason to not have confidence in Airbus?


Inspiration, move me brightly!
User currently offlineHb88 From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2005, 814 posts, RR: 31
Reply 17, posted (7 years 6 months 3 weeks 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 8252 times:

Quoting Revelation (Reply 16):
Tom_EDDF and Hb88, can you think of a single reason to not have confidence in Airbus?

Where you intending to include the 'not' in that sentence?  Wink

I think it depends on what you mean by not having confidence. If I was a carrier contemplating an order of A320, A330 or A340 series a/c, I would have no doubts whatsoever of their ability to deliver.

In terms of the 380, the carriers know a great deal more than the public about the progress of the 380. So, watching how the 380 customers react in public is, IMO, a FAR more accurate gauge of the actual significance and effect of the program delays than the endless speculation on a.net and elsewhere.

I also have confidence in Airbus because I work for them, and believe me the view from the inside is slightly different from the view from a.net. In my personal view, 'losing confidence in Airbus' (whatever that means) is slightly misplaced given the number of parallel projects and product lines which are and have been running for quite some time with great success.


User currently offlineRevelation From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 11918 posts, RR: 25
Reply 18, posted (7 years 6 months 3 weeks 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 8215 times:

Quoting Hb88 (Reply 17):
Where you intending to include the 'not' in that sentence?

But of course, I was paraphrasing Herr Mayrhuber. I am glad you have confidence in Airbus, and I agree it is amazing how they have been running multiple programs in parallel successfully for years. But if I were the LH CEO, even though in public I'd express confidence, in private I think I could think of at least one reason to not have confidence in Airbus at this point in time.

Also, I woudn't have enough confidence in Airbus to order the A350 until I saw that Airbus had straightened out the A380 and had re-engineered its processes so the same thing could not happen on the A350.



Inspiration, move me brightly!
User currently offlineShenzhen From United States of America, joined Jun 2003, 1706 posts, RR: 2
Reply 19, posted (7 years 6 months 3 weeks 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 8192 times:

From a carrier that is probably in no rush to put this airplane in service, like Air France. Maybe, just maybe... the later the better  Smile

Each airline is different. If you purchased the airplane due to a commercial need... then you are probably more upset.

LH just stated that they are looking at purchasing additional widebodies, which didn't include the A380. Maybe they feel they have already met their commitments and contributed their fair share to the A380 program....

Just stirring the pot a little...

Cheers


User currently offlineSwissy From Switzerland, joined Jan 2005, 1734 posts, RR: 4
Reply 20, posted (7 years 6 months 3 weeks 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 8126 times:

Quoting Hb88 (Reply 17):
I also have confidence in Airbus because I work for them, and believe me the view from the inside is slightly different from the view from a.net

 bigthumbsup 
I do not work for AB but I work within that environment.... have money invested in AB and I have confidence in that company.............

Quoting Shenzhen (Reply 19):
Each airline is different

That is exactly right but somehow people have a hard time to understand that..... scratchchin 

Quoting Revelation (Reply 18):
Also, I woudn't have enough confidence in Airbus to order the A350 until I saw that Airbus had straightened out the A380 and had re-engineered its processes so the same thing could not happen on the A350

Fair enough and that is why some airlines are waiting to see what the 350 will be.

Cheers,


User currently offlineAtnight From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 605 posts, RR: 1
Reply 21, posted (7 years 6 months 3 weeks 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 8063 times:

I am glad LH believes in Airbus and that they won't let outside talks and press turn against their decisions with Airbus or aircraft choice... I believe LH has spoken with Airbus and have heard their story and have a whole lot more information than any anti-airbus junkie here on a.net....
I am also confident that Airbus will get back in its feet and will get over this bump with the A380 (and yes, what a huge bump it has been!)...
I know Airbus will keep up the pressure and the competition in the market and will keep fighting to maintain their share... Meanwhile I am looking forward to seeing the B787 program succeed and hopefully it won't have as many delays as this one.... (though I expect issues to come up too)..



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User currently offline787engineer From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 572 posts, RR: 15
Reply 22, posted (7 years 6 months 3 weeks 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 8017 times:

Quoting Tom_EDDF (Reply 14):
Lufthansa is commonly recognized as one of the best managed airlines, I find it hard to assume their management is "incompetent".

Agreed, and I don't think anyone has said anything to the contrary in here. Like Columba said, what else would LH say? LH obviously has concerns with the schedule and delays that the A380 is experiencing; they wouldn't have been such a succesful airline if they didn't keep a firm grip on the purse strings. The delays force them to do a lot more "re-work" and positioning/timing in preparation for the A380s delivery. The more delays Airbus comes out with the more work (re: $$$) that LH has to do. But LH will settle their concerns with Airbus privately, and remain confident that Airbus will deliver a safe and efficient A380.


User currently offlinePlaneHunter From Germany, joined Mar 2006, 6639 posts, RR: 78
Reply 23, posted (7 years 6 months 3 weeks 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 7931 times:

Quoting Ikramerica (Reply 1):
Another case of national pride, more likely.

Mayrhuber isn't even German...

Quoting Revelation (Reply 12):
If he isn't worried about his company's investments in A380s, then he must be incompetent.

His company's success tells a different story.

Quoting Shenzhen (Reply 19):
If you purchased the airplane due to a commercial need... then you are probably more upset.

LH is not Saudi Arabian.


PH



Nothing's worse than flying the same reg twice!
User currently offlineLTU932 From Germany, joined Jan 2006, 13864 posts, RR: 50
Reply 24, posted (7 years 6 months 3 weeks 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 7859 times:

Quoting BAW716 (Reply 5):
Their country is a major player in Airbus and LH has been progressively moving toward an all Airbus fleet (although they may not admit it outright).

Germany being a major player in Airbus does not influence LH in any aircraft order. Once again: Lufthansa is a private company and can buy whatever they want.

And I suggest you listen to what has come straight from the horses mouth. LH has a history of not being an operator of one single manufactuer (remember when LH's transatlantic fleet was all Boeing and they acquired the DC-10?) and I'm sure that after what Mayrhuber has said about not becoming all Boeing or all Airbus, LH becoming all B or all A ain't gonna happen.

After all and I repeat, Lufthansa is not Iberia and Boeing's sales team is not the same as the one which dealt with IB. Today's Boeing sales team isn't stupid, they won't let such a major Boeing customer go that easy.

Quoting Revelation (Reply 12):
It's purely posturing. If he isn't worried about his company's investments in A380s, then he must be incompetent.

Or maybe he's playing it cool? LH is not SQ. LH has been very silent about what has happened regarding the delays, unlike SQ, which was almost outraged about the delays. Yet SQ still gave Airbus and the A380 a vote of confidence by acquiring a few more of the superjets plus the A333s for regional routes and as a stopgap measure until the arrival of their A350s, just as LH got a probably sweet deal on a few more A333s to make up for the A380's delays. Mayrhuber is playing it cool and knows the options he's got available.

Quoting Swissy (Reply 13):
LH will never be an all AB airline

 checkmark 

Quoting Tom_EDDF (Reply 14):
Lufthansa is commonly recognized as one of the best managed airlines, I find it hard to assume their management is "incompetent".

 checkmark 

Quoting Revelation (Reply 18):
Also, I woudn't have enough confidence in Airbus to order the A350 until I saw that Airbus had straightened out the A380 and had re-engineered its processes so the same thing could not happen on the A350.

What about SQ? They ordered the A350XWB, despite of all the A380 delays. Besides, the A350 should be much less complex than the A380, because it's not a doubledecker.


25 Post contains images Stitch : LH has shown confidence in the plane since the day they ordered it - that's why they did order it. Yes, they expressed renewed interest in the 747-X p
26 Leelaw : Seems to me there's already considerable gratuitous tit-for-tat in every "negative" A380 thread. Should Boeing be afflicted with "hiccups" in its mar
27 Woosie : All I can say it was nice to have a few key Customers saying positive things about you in your dark hours! My MD-11 experience taught me that. AIrbus
28 GeorgiaAME : Uhm, what is that yellow thingy hanging off the ceiling? And is it part of the current problem?
29 Lp0815 : I think that such a project as the A380 might incur more delays than any smaller new airliner, given the sheer dmiensions not only of the plane but of
30 Stitch : It was delayed a few weeks while they waited for engines. The frames themselves were fine and PAE kept pumping them out on schedule, just parking the
31 Klkla : The A380 does not really make any 'changes to aviation in general'. It's just a big airplane using the technology that has already been in place for
32 Post contains images Anax : kikla , the A380 is not just a new big plane around! It's a new era in aviation and air travel. As of course is also the 787. So some delays (on both
33 Post contains links Leelaw : See: Did The B747 Suffer Delays Before Introduction? (by Fly2CHC Sep 15 2006 in Civil Aviation)
34 Zvezda : I would expect LH to say that they are disappointed and considering their options. I expect they are disappointed in Mayrhuber. That's not so much a
35 Post contains images Jacobin777 : -the A380 won't be a "new era in aviation"..that title will always and forever given the Queen of the Skies..the 747... -welcome to A.net..
36 Columba : How about this: Like I said in the other thread expect an order for either the 747-8I or the 777-300ER as a 747-400 replacement. The decision between
37 Leelaw : IMO, the only stranger statement in the recent past by an otherwise ostensibly sensible airline executive was the ambivalent ("indifferent") attitude
38 Simong : You just made my *respect* list ..... an American making this statement deserves big *kudos*. You are so right ..... Lets just see a safe and non-rus
39 Joni : You can safely bet that he does care about the investments, however LH only pays on delivery. And needless to say, LH management has both more inform
40 PlaneHunter : At the height of LH's crisis in 1992 Mayrhuber was appointed head of the reorganisation team by Juergen Weber. PH
41 Baroque : And there was me thinking that faith-based initiatives were all the go "over there". I suspect that LH will be saying have faith and checking on the a
42 FlyinTLow : You have to think of it the other way around: If LH had said "Hey, you, Airbus, you messed up" and started complaining publically, it would have upset
43 Lp0815 : Oh boy oh boy, if we are talking changes to airport infrastructure only to be able to accomodate the plane, new boarding and de-boarding concepts etc
44 Stitch : It is in LH's own disinterest to publically flog Airbus in general and the A380 in particular for, with their large Airbus and A380 fleets, such a flo
45 JoFMO : Maybe Mr Mayrhofer is just a kind Austrian "Küss die Hand g'nädige Frau' style of men. Why publicly blame people and emberess them?
46 BoomBoom : What do airport infrastructure changes have to do with A380 delays?
47 Post contains images Leskova : While we're not all that way, I certainly do greatly prefer the calm and cool style that my countryman Mr. Mayrhuber (by the way: Mayrhuber, not Mayr
48 Elvis777 : Howdy, I believe that LH will purchase the best bird suited for their needs. That said it does come off a bit weird that LH main guy is not asking mor
49 Post contains links Leskova : Lufthansa Technik is LH's maintenance arm - if you want to know more about them, have a look at their website: http://www.lufthansa-technik.com/ They
50 EDDB : Who says they won't? I hardly believe that LH is so generous to reject compensation... "Aaaah, keep your money Airbus, we're fine..." Not really... M
51 Elvis777 : Hi Leskova, Thanks for the answer. I thought that lufthansa technik was actually very much involved in the 380 work. More than just a supplier. I thin
52 Post contains images Leskova : To my knowledge, LH Technik is chairing the maintenance advisory board for the A380, and most certainly they've had influence in some design issues -
53 Elvis777 : Hi Leskova, Thanks for the answers. Fine by me. Regards Elvis777
54 EDDB : Add the word 'officially' at the end and we agree! I think it's just not LH-style to cry out loud in public (and I hope they keep it that way)!
55 FlyinTLow : I am sure money has flown, or at least were incorporated with the negotiations for those newly ordered Airbus'. Or why do you think this decision was
56 Elvis777 : Hi EDDB, Ok., officially they have not asked. But officially after the alst delay announcemnet they officially came out and said this: Which is like I
57 Columba : Like EDDB said it is not their style. Also you have to consider that they very likey knew about the further delay. A day before that delay announceme
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