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New Cathay Pacific F/J/Y Seats Announced  
User currently offlineAirbus A3XX From Australia, joined May 1999, 507 posts, RR: 1
Posted (8 years 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 16469 times:

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Move in more comfort and style
From January 2007, Cathay Pacific will be phasing in luxurious new seat designs, fresh cabin interiors and enhanced inflight entertainment options that will revolutionise long-haul travel.

We have worked with leading transportation design consultants to create an environment that is natural, soothing and exceptionally well appointed. Inspired by the textures of timber, bamboo, stone and water, our new opulent surroundings are supported by the latest materials and cutting-edge technology.

Our aim is to create a level of quality and attention to detail that will exceed your expectations, no matter which travel class you are flying.

http://www.cathaypacific.com/cpa/en_HK/whatonboard/previewthenewseats

Interesting to see CX's new long haul products. The new First class seats (or beds) are just remarkable! The business seats looks like one of those used by VS/AC/NZ though. Economy was a total surprise and I wonder how comfortable would these fixed economy seats would be (and wonder what the seat pitch would be after recline).

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User currently offlineFLY777UAL From United States of America, joined May 1999, 4512 posts, RR: 3
Reply 1, posted (8 years 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 16424 times:

Not surprising they went for the same style seats as VS/NZ/AC...however the First Class seat looks really cramped!

The Economy seats look comfy, however...makes sense that they slide forward and at an angle in place of the physical seatback recline.

F L Y 7 7 7 U A L


User currently offlineKL808 From United States of America, joined May 1999, 1584 posts, RR: 2
Reply 2, posted (8 years 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 16414 times:

All I have to say is WOW

Looks great.

Cant wait to spend some AA miles on the LAX-HKG-MNL route

Drew



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User currently offlineJfk777 From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 8373 posts, RR: 7
Reply 3, posted (8 years 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 16380 times:
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Business seems like Virgin's Upper Class. I can't wait to see the configuration on the 744.

User currently offlineBoeing nut From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (8 years 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 16292 times:

Quoting Jfk777 (Reply 3):
I can't wait to see the configuration on the 744.

I can't wait to see it on the 748i!  Wink


User currently onlineAirdolomiti From Germany, joined May 2003, 690 posts, RR: 9
Reply 5, posted (8 years 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 16268 times:

Very impressive! I think the Y seats are the most innovative; hopefully more airlines will opt for this new kind of seat in the future.

User currently offlineUAL777UK From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2005, 3356 posts, RR: 1
Reply 6, posted (8 years 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 16235 times:

Quoting Airdolomiti (Reply 5):
Very impressive! I think the Y seats are the most innovative; hopefully more airlines will opt for this new kind of seat in the future.

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User currently offlineMaverickM11 From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 17511 posts, RR: 45
Reply 7, posted (8 years 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 16235 times:

Didn't they just finish rolling out their previous C seat?


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User currently offlineMjlhou From United States of America, joined Sep 2006, 154 posts, RR: 4
Reply 8, posted (8 years 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 16194 times:

Quoting UAL777UK (Reply 6):
Quoting Airdolomiti (Reply 5):Very impressive! I think the Y seats are the most innovative; hopefully more airlines will opt for this new kind of seat in the future.
  

also agreed



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User currently offlineMarkHKG From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 960 posts, RR: 2
Reply 9, posted (8 years 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 16154 times:

Cool...new seat-belts!
 Smile



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User currently offlineN1120A From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 26499 posts, RR: 75
Reply 10, posted (8 years 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 16157 times:

Those Y class seats look excellent and mean that there should be no more limited recline seats on CX. Further, the AC style Business seats look like the best combination of a real lie flat and level seat but still save space.


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User currently offlineOxygen From Hong Kong, joined Sep 1999, 674 posts, RR: 1
Reply 11, posted (8 years 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 16120 times:

I have been waiting for this for a long time.... impressive....

Notice that the new Y class is called 'Economic' class rather than 'Economy' class..... I wonder what's the story behind it?

The Business class seats seems to be the 'Solar' model from Contour Premium Aircraft seating, same as the already announced new Air Canada Business class. So in that sense its not really innovative... just an iteration from an existing product.

I am really surprised that they chose the new B/E Aerospace seat for economy class though.... CX has always been moderately up to date in cabin product, but not THAT pioneering... I look forward to trying out those new seats.

Just for your information though- the reason why a 3 point harness is used is not 'to give more stability during take off and landing', rather, its a safety requirement due to the unique fixed shell and configuration. for the Virgin upper class, they didn't use 3 point harness becuase they opted for the airbag instead.


User currently offlineKappel From Suriname, joined Jul 2005, 3533 posts, RR: 17
Reply 12, posted (8 years 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 16098 times:

Quoting Oxygen (Reply 11):
Notice that the new Y class is called 'Economic' class rather than 'Economy' class..... I wonder what's the story behind it?

I think that's a typo. Just look at the next page on the website and they call it 'economy' again.

I'm flying them in march (AMS-HK-AMS) Will they have the new eco seats by then on the a343's?



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User currently offlineMarkHKG From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 960 posts, RR: 2
Reply 13, posted (8 years 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 16089 times:

Quoting Oxygen (Reply 11):
Just for your information though- the reason why a 3 point harness is used is not 'to give more stability during take off and landing', rather, its a safety requirement due to the unique fixed shell and configuration. for the Virgin upper class, they didn't use 3 point harness becuase they opted for the airbag instead.

lol, yeah, I totally laughed at the whole "stability" thing...I was like, "urm...it's better in case there is a sudden impact..."

I thought it was interesting that the seat-belt design is actually based off bizjets. This must be the first major air crarrier to do this on their widebody A/C...exciting for safety!

This also means that everyone now needs to adopt a different brace position...instead of leaning over, pax must now sit up, put their chin to chest, and sit on their hands, underneath their thighs (palm facing up).



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User currently onlineNZ107 From New Zealand, joined Jul 2005, 6431 posts, RR: 38
Reply 14, posted (8 years 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 15903 times:

Quoting MaverickM11 (Reply 7):
Didn't they just finish rolling out their previous C seat?

5 years ago? Well at least 3 but this is a vast improvement. The current seats have a 180 degree recline but it's not flat. One thing I hope for in the new Business is that a trolley can fit down the aisle. The problem with NZ is that they can't fit so the flight attendants have to carry it one by one.

Will the A343s be refitted? I doubt it.. Hoping for a 77W on the AKL-HKG route!

I definitely like the new seats. And they have an AC power source!



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User currently offline6thfreedom From Bermuda, joined Sep 2004, 3329 posts, RR: 20
Reply 15, posted (8 years 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 15754 times:

I wonder how comfy Y class will be if you're anything over 5 foot 8...

If seat pitch is kept at 32 inch, and the seat slides under u rather than recline, doesn't that simply reduce leg room even further???

hhhmmm - im not convinced, but will have to wait til it's released i suppose.


User currently offlineJfk777 From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 8373 posts, RR: 7
Reply 16, posted (8 years 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 15681 times:
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With their new 773ER coming this is a promising product upgrade, but wasn't there First and Business just upgraded in 2004 ?

User currently offlineElite From Hong Kong, joined Jun 2006, 2809 posts, RR: 10
Reply 17, posted (8 years 20 hours ago) and read 15384 times:

Audio Video on Demand in Economy class, that's a major improvement, plus an improved 9 inch moniter.

However, the 2 features that I am looking forward to the most is the personal closet in First Class (just for the fun of it) and the fully flat bed in Business  Wink


User currently offlineIkarus2006 From Netherlands, joined Apr 2006, 187 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (8 years 19 hours ago) and read 15317 times:

Oxygen > I agree about the business class possible manufacturer and also about the fact the economy looks like a B/E product.

Do you have any feeling about who the F/C seat manufacturer could be? To me it could still be a Contour product (see some similarities with recently presented prototypes in Hamburg).


6th freedom > I would imagine that between two seats (one with reclining back and one with fixed shell and moving seat pan+back) , if pitch is the same, and the seat is free to move only in the length direction, then there should be no difference between the two different systems in terms of gained space (provided both have literature pocket placed in the same location).

What do you people think?

I would say the gained space comes more from a thinner backrest & new position of the literature pocket.
As a plus point, the tray table and TV screen will be less affected by front seat movements due to fixed shell.


User currently offlineElite From Hong Kong, joined Jun 2006, 2809 posts, RR: 10
Reply 19, posted (8 years 13 hours ago) and read 15029 times:

Quoting MarkHKG (Reply 9):
Cool...new seat-belts!

Yeah, 3 point seatbelts... don't look too comfortable!


User currently offlineFlight7E7 From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 103 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (8 years 11 hours ago) and read 14714 times:

Glad to see this and hope it works well for CX, venerable amongst the best!

However, to note that I was recently twice F BKK HKG JFK and KUL HKG JFK and very, very disappointed for the $$$. Seats on both A/C were worn and dirty, cabins were tired, lavs had minimal amenities. Meal service was adequate but not outstanding- 2nd trip HKG JFK attendant kept getting everyone's orders confused, never handed out kits, had to ask twice. CX World AVOD system was not fully operational....(heard the purser complain that they had written up the same A/C week before and nothing had been done about it!!!..... boarding in HKG was a cattle call...F/C pax mixed with econ to form LONG LONG LINES...never expected this from CX.

By the way the VS J class seats are terrible....feel like a damn casket....and not much for facing sideways for T/O and T/D. Several colleagues spoke the same.....lots of plastic and very hard cushions..on VS.

SQ is still tops...say what you may, but they just get it right, everytime.

Cheers!  twocents   airplane 


User currently offlineSuperhub From Hong Kong, joined Jan 2006, 478 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (8 years 11 hours ago) and read 14689 times:

Quoting Oxygen (Reply 11):
Notice that the new Y class is called 'Economic' class rather than 'Economy' class..... I wonder what's the story behind it?

The story is that the person who typed the page up confused the world Economy and Economic.  Smile Anyway, it has been corrected back to Economy.

The new product is very impressive. And CX has taken a more revolutionary and innovative route which I have seldom seen for the past ten to fifteen years. In the past they tended to follow other airlines.


User currently offlineOxygen From Hong Kong, joined Sep 1999, 674 posts, RR: 1
Reply 22, posted (8 years 10 hours ago) and read 14231 times:

Oh so 'Ecomonic' Class is just a typo..... hoped there would be something interesting happening. Hahaha, anyways....

MarkHKG: oh yeah, I haven't thought about they needed a different bracing position. So that implies a new safety video and safety cards coming too.

Ikarus2006: I couldn't tell from the pictures which manufacturer made the First class... I seem to find characteristics of different companies- However, based on the rumors I have heard for a long time (for like 2 years), its probably B/E Aerospace. What I got from the rumors is that B/E is the supplier to all new cabin products, so I am surprised when it turned out that they are using Solar. Moreover, last year at the Hong Kong Aircraft Interior Expo, I happened to stand near some B/E guy, and he was explaining to other people that since all their new products are with CX and are confidential, they have nothing new to put in the booth, and so they'd rather not have a booth at all. The economy class seat has already been published in the Aircraft Interiors International already at that time, so I guess the confidential product he talked about should be the F/C.

Anyway, that's just my guess.... need to get confirmation


User currently offlineJrosa From Brazil, joined Jun 2005, 367 posts, RR: 11
Reply 23, posted (8 years 8 hours ago) and read 13892 times:

Very interesting the 3 point seat belts, extra safety concern by the airline is always good, but I wonder if regular passenger would use it as a 3 point seat belt or as a regular one.

Also, the extra stowage space for carry-on baggage is a nice improvement it it does not come along a restriction for check baggage.


User currently offlineRedFlyer From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 4329 posts, RR: 28
Reply 24, posted (8 years 8 hours ago) and read 13682 times:

I thought CX's newer seats that are currently installed to be the best found in economy anywhere. Goes to show what a classy airline they are in that they strive to improve something that is already a great product. I love that airline and have been flying them exclusively across the Pacific for the past few months. Can't wait to try out the new seats starting next year.


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25 Ardian : Amazing... Truly amazing! Their F-class product looks very interesting and classy with the wooden finishes.
26 Post contains images MarkHKG : I would imagine most pax would use just the lap belt except for critical phases of flight (takeoff and landing)...the cabin crew would probably insis
27 Zvezda : If I'm reading this right, the new CX business class seat is not flat -- even at an incline. I'll stick with SQ, thank you. At least SQ have inclined
28 Oxygen : Actually, personally, when I am in a car, I feel strange and uncomfortable when NOT having a 3 point harness.... so perhaps those new seatbelts would
29 N1120A : You are reading it completely wrong. It is the same seat as AC just adopted and BA is likely to adopt for their new Club World and is both flat and l
30 Post contains links Bkkair : Zvezda was correct. The original CX press release about the J class seat said a "lie flat bed". CX has since corrected their press release to say "fu
31 Superhub : Does anyone know whether these features will be implemented into KA's aircrafts?
32 Nzrich : Hi well i have to say i do like the new first class offering ..It seems to be very good especially with its own wardrobe.. Business class just seems t
33 Alaskaqantas : well i will say that its great that they are regoing their products... I will have to try them going to NZ! one thing is that I hope they use a differ
34 MotorHussy : Having flown business class on CX in the past (AKL-HKG, HKG-LAX), I am really impressed that this airline is already reinvesting in their premium prod
35 CX flyboy : The first aircraft to feature the new cabin will be B-HKJ, an ex-SQ aircraft which has recently served with El Al. The aircraft has already been ferri
36 CHANGYOU : Wait till u guys see the launching of SQ 773ER new F/J/Y on 19-20OCT. It's gonna be better I can assure you if u think CX/VS/NZ new seats are good. An
37 Ikarus2006 : CHANGYOU, just a note, I thought SQ would not include F/C on the 773ER... CX flyboy, do you have any idea on which CX route the new seats will be firs
38 CHANGYOU : SQ 773ER will have FCL. I can't reveal the configuration but it will all be launch next month.
39 CX flyboy : I am afraid I do not know. CX will not plan or actively advertise the new product until they have enough aircraft in the new configuration. This will
40 787KQ : Excellent job Cathay! Does anyone have better pictures of the B/E Aerospace seat or a link to a website with other pics of the line of seats? It's har
41 Jaysit : Very innovative. Most airlines trot out new First and Business Class products, but don't give a damn about the majority of their passengers - those in
42 Lemurs : Very nice...I don't see why anyone would shell out for First at this point though, except for those with ridiculous amounts of money and/or miles. The
43 PureKiwi : I think I have seen the same seats cathay has in economy being used in business class on qantas domestic in NZ (yes i know most domestic flights don'
44 Post contains images Elite : Cathay is paying more attention to the little details... for example you can now widen your seat in business, and the adjustments made in economy so t
45 Tod : FAA regulations relating to headstrike drove theses developments. Tod
46 Lufthansa : Isn't it amazing that we are seeing likes of cathay go to second generation 'lie flat type' seats (regardless of 180 Degrees or sloper) yet our friend
47 Trex8 : well it helps if you are making several hundred million $ a year profit instead of loss!
48 Lemurs : ...and making several hundred million a year in profits is helped tremendously by not having to offer "domestic" service or compete with a large arra
49 CF-CPI : The interesting thing is that this concept of fixed back, sliding cushion in economy class is not new, despite what they claim. In the mid-60s, Aeroth
50 Post contains images Trex8 : would a domestic flight for CX have been Chek Lap Kok to Kai Tak before Kai Tak was completely closed????
51 Elite : Does anyone know if Cathay will be transforming its cabins starting January 1st, 2007, or will it be complete for long-haul by Jan 1st, 2007? I'm taki
52 Kwcarolma : Y class design's very impressive. I particularly like the idea of fixed back. I'm not a big fan of the VS styled J class design becoz it looks quite w
53 Tod : Hopefully the first 744 will enter service January 2007. The aircraft is in XMN and the mod will start next month. It is scheduled to take longer tha
54 Xwizard : I'm not sure if they are the same thing, but on my recent flight from LHR-HKG on one of CX's A340-600, the seats in Y were as described, i.e. no back
55 DAB920 : The first aircraft with the cabin will appear in 2007. It will take a couple of years at least for the new cabin to feature in all the longhaul plane
56 Post contains images Alaskaqantas : I believe it was just there Business class... their first class needs some re-freshing. well I've been waiting for some info on this... I've e-mailed
57 BAW716 : The Economy seat looks to be a Recaro product. I have read that Recaro has been working on developing a high tech Y class seat that allows for less se
58 Intothinair : Cool new Y, C and F class, Changyou, will the new seats launched on the SQ773ER be the same as the ones on SQA380 when they arrive? cheers, Konstantin
59 Changyou : I've mentioned in another thread that it'll be different. But some others thing otherwise. So we shall wait and see. Anyway launching will be on the 1
60 CHANGYOU : sorry guys...the launch of the new product will be through invitation only. From 17-20.Oct Probably those who are PPS would have gotten the invitation
61 Post contains images Nagaki : I'm just wondering about the new Business Class seats, how does it feel to be having to sit an an angle instead of being able to face the front of the
62 Historic747 : Absolutely flawed
63 Post contains images N751PR : Impressive! Can't wait until this new product rolls out into the fleet!
64 Lemurs : Oversimplified to a fault, perhaps... Flawed? I disagree. CX has fantastic management and is very well run, but their financial bottom line wouldn't
65 Antares : Lemurs, Pu-leez. The SE Asia market may not be totally unprotected, but the predators like low cost carriers, some longer haul, some recognisable as R
66 Lemurs : ...and yet it is still a fraction of the total air traffic and competition that exists in the US market, with a fraction of the carriers competing on
67 Antares : Arguing that CX wouldn't be CX in the US is one of the more illogical observations I've heard for a while, I mean, what has it got to do with anything
68 Superhub : I totally disagree with the words "a fraction of carriers competing on the same routes." Have you tried seeing how many airlines fly from HKG to BKK?
69 Lemurs : You seem to be assuming: 1) That I am saying CX is defecient in some way. 2) That I am looking at the SE Asia market as inferior in some way. 3) That
70 JeffrySkY : My advice is for you to stop giving excuses for inferior service that is currently provided by most American carriers. Airlines all around the world
71 Lemurs : What excuses? I'll say this again: They're different. It's not the same. The union dynamics in this country are different. The legacy costs are diffe
72 Superhub : Actually, record load factors and revenue says not much considering that prices are not at a sensible level to cover the cost. The main thing is prof
73 Lemurs : That last line is very telling though...the fact that other airlines will step in and fill that gap is the first indicator that the problem is not si
74 Zkpilot : That would be in the 777 only... they do still fit but it is tight so is preferable to deliver by hand so as to not damage the seats or disturb the p
75 Ctang : Are the new PTVs screens touch-screen?
76 HZ747300 : This is awesome! I am moving to Hong Kong in November, in a job with travel (Business for 5+ hours, Coach for under 5 hours), and I am 5 foot 8 3/4 i
77 Post contains images Foppishbum : Wow...Those new seats are really cool! I might have to fly to Hong Kong from LAX then transfer to TPE just for the seats. foppishbum
78 CX flyboy : That is indeed planned, although we are talking several years from now.
79 QFSYD744 : Yet again Cathay Pacific Airways continues to be a leader in the industry. Question is now on routes such as SFO-HKG, how will passengers flying Unite
80 BA787 : This may sound strange but does anyone else hold the opinion that those new seats have a tacky eighties style air about them? Could just be me, but I
81 CX flyboy : They look good when you see them in real life.
82 Singapore_Air : Apparently if anyone can get into Cathay Pacific City there's some mock up seats somewhere accessible. I would have gone to spy but I figured it would
83 Wowpeter : Hummmm... LCC taking over if one airline decided to exit a certain routes and this is supposed to mean that over-capacity is not the issues... in a w
84 Wowpeter : Now back to the CX new seat... I think their New F and Y is pretty good stuff... J is just average... For the new Y, there's a new back support... I s
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