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Air India Is Planning To Lease 12 Aircraft  
User currently offlineKaitak744 From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 2397 posts, RR: 3
Posted (8 years 2 months 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 10408 times:

4 wet-lease A330-A340-B747-B777-MD11
For: NewYork, Chicago, Los Angeles, and Canada

5 wet-lease A310-A330-B757-B767
For: Seoul, Shanghai, Singapore, Jakarta, Kuala Lumpur, Dubai

3 dry-lease B747-B777
For: mixed

http://www.justplanes.com/News006.htm

Anybody know where they could get such aircrafts from?

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User currently offlineBa777-236 From Canada, joined Oct 2001, 674 posts, RR: 4
Reply 1, posted (8 years 2 months 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 10273 times:

Wet-leases? Are AI in that much need of capacity?

Aren't their new 777's coming next spring? That's not soon enough?  Confused



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User currently offlineLAXDESI From United States of America, joined May 2005, 5086 posts, RR: 47
Reply 2, posted (8 years 2 months 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 10254 times:

Quoting Ba777-236 (Reply 1):
Wet-leases? Are AI in that much need of capacity?

Aren't their new 777's coming next spring? That's not soon enough?

Leases expire on 3-4 of their current 747s.


User currently offlineZKNBX From New Zealand, joined Jul 2006, 464 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (8 years 2 months 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 10217 times:

Looks like 1 x B744 will come from Air NZ (GE powered)

User currently offlineHimmat01 From India, joined Dec 2004, 1047 posts, RR: 6
Reply 4, posted (8 years 2 months 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 10180 times:

AI is in a very desperate situation at the moment. 3 B747-400s have to be returned before the end of this year unless it manages to extend the lease. 2 A310s also are due to be returned early next year. 2 B747-400s are to be returned by October 2007.

It is even considering using the B737-800s of Air India Express till it's own a/c start arriving.



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User currently offline777ER From New Zealand, joined Dec 2003, 12267 posts, RR: 18
Reply 5, posted (8 years 2 months 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 10160 times:
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Apparantly NZ B744 ZK-SUH is bound for AI, complete with NZs state of the art IFE and business seats

User currently offlineKaran69 From India, joined Oct 2004, 2893 posts, RR: 18
Reply 6, posted (8 years 2 months 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 10102 times:

Quoting Himmat01 (Reply 4):
AI is in a very desperate situation at the moment. 3 B747-400s have to be returned before the end of this year unless it manages to extend the lease. 2 A310s also are due to be returned early next year. 2 B747-400s are to be returned by October 2007.

It is even considering using the B737-800s of Air India Express till it's own a/c start arriving.

Himmat infact AI will be short of 6 A310s by March 2007 --4 leased to be returned and 2 owned ones are being sent for freighter conversions.

As a result of shortage 6 AIX 737-800s will be configured in BIZ/ECO configuration to accomodate this shortage.

Quoting 777ER (Reply 5):
Apparantly NZ B744 ZK-SUH is bound for AI, complete with NZs state of the art IFE and business seats

If true that is great news and really fortunate for thos passengers who will get to fly that particular aircraft.

Karan


User currently offline6thfreedom From Bermuda, joined Sep 2004, 3335 posts, RR: 20
Reply 7, posted (8 years 2 months 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 10102 times:

On the topic of India, can anyone confirm that Indian Airlines have only 3 x A300s for long haul ie wide bodies??

Are any other widebodies likely to come into the fleet soon??


User currently offlineHimmat01 From India, joined Dec 2004, 1047 posts, RR: 6
Reply 8, posted (8 years 2 months 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 10065 times:

Quoting 6thfreedom (Reply 7):
On the topic of India, can anyone confirm that Indian Airlines have only 3 x A300s for long haul ie wide bodies??

Are any other widebodies likely to come into the fleet soon??

Yes, IC at the moment has only three A300s. It has dry leased two A330-200s which would be joining it's fleet soon.



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User currently offlineJr From United States of America, joined May 1999, 969 posts, RR: 6
Reply 9, posted (8 years 2 months 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 9835 times:

Quoting Himmat01 (Reply 8):
It has dry leased two A330-200s which would be joining it's fleet soon.

Wow. Thats news to me. What routes will the 330's be used on?



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User currently offlineManny From United States of America, joined Sep 2006, 474 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (8 years 2 months 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 9720 times:

Quoting Himmat01 (Reply 8):
Yes, IC at the moment has only three A300s. It has dry leased two A330-200s which would be joining it's fleet soon.

Do you know where they are coming from ?


User currently offlineScaledesigns From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 211 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (8 years 2 months 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 9706 times:

Wow,looks like some mixed color leased a/c coming soon.

I wonder if the New Zealand 747 will be put in service with New Zealand
colors and AI titles?



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User currently offlineBehramjee From Canada, joined Aug 2003, 4825 posts, RR: 44
Reply 12, posted (8 years 2 months 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 9670 times:

Quoting Himmat01 (Reply 8):
It has dry leased two A330-200s which would be joining it's fleet soon.

v interesting news indeed...from where are these A 332s coming from?


User currently offlineKaran69 From India, joined Oct 2004, 2893 posts, RR: 18
Reply 13, posted (8 years 2 months 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 9619 times:

Quoting Manny (Reply 10):
Do you know where they are coming from ?



Quoting Behramjee (Reply 12):
interesting news indeed...from where are these A 332s coming from?

The aircrafts are expected to start schedule service by DEC, and the senior commonders of IC will go for training to TLS in batches of 6.

It is coming from a French based leasing company [name unknown]

IC is expected to fly to the following LON/MAN/HKG/JNB/ATH/SYD/PER with the help of 10 such aircrafts [330 or 340] which they expect to lease from various places----I just dont know how they are gonna get these additional 330/340s in their fleet.

Karan


User currently offlineCX777Fan From Australia, joined Feb 2005, 297 posts, RR: 1
Reply 14, posted (8 years 2 months 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 8783 times:

Quoting Karan69 (Reply 13):
IC is expected to fly to the following LON/MAN/HKG/JNB/ATH/SYD/PER with the help of 10 such aircrafts [330 or 340] which they expect to lease from various places----I just dont know how they are gonna get these additional 330/340s in their fleet.

Forgive my ignorance, but is this essentially IC's first expansion into the international market? I was under the (possibly entirely false) impression that IC was the domestic arm of AI and essentially the same company.

If they get the a/c they need, I'd love to see an Indian airline flying into SYD (though was privately hoping to see Jet come here...)


User currently offlineAKLDELNonstop From New Zealand, joined Apr 2006, 312 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (8 years 2 months 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 8557 times:

Quoting CX777Fan (Reply 14):
Forgive my ignorance, but is this essentially IC's first expansion into the international market? I was under the (possibly entirely false) impression that IC was the domestic arm of AI and essentially the same company.

They have always been separate entities although both are owned by the Govt of India.

Initially AI onlyflew international and IC flew domestic. However in the last few years IC has been flying to a few South East destinations like HKG, SIN, KUL and BKK and to the middle east.

Only now is it looking to go towards Europe an Oceania.

However what I fail to understand is why are IC and AI not ordering more a/c their current orders are by no means sufficient.

Also is the NZ 744 going to AI the one with the Premium Economy? Wonder what AI will do with those seats. Maybe sell them as Business and the Business Premier as First  Wink


User currently offlineFuffla From Australia, joined Feb 2004, 401 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (8 years 2 months 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 8533 times:

C'mon...where is the service to SYD?
They have been planning one since anyone can remember!


User currently offlineFlamedude707 From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 235 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (8 years 2 months 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 8369 times:

Quoting Kaitak744 (Thread starter):
-A340



Quoting Kaitak744 (Thread starter):
For: NewYork, Chicago, Los Angeles, and Canada

And yet we still se no non-stop or direct between India and SFO. What the hell is wrong with them. One of the largest Indian populations is located in the by area and still nothing. Are we ever going to see it happen or what?



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User currently offline777ER From New Zealand, joined Dec 2003, 12267 posts, RR: 18
Reply 18, posted (8 years 2 months 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 8309 times:
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Quoting AKLDELNonstop (Reply 15):
Also is the NZ 744 going to AI the one with the Premium Economy? Wonder what AI will do with those seats. Maybe sell them as Business and the Business Premier as First

All of NZs B744 have the new cabins. -SUH was the last one finished only recently


User currently offlineJacobin777 From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 14968 posts, RR: 59
Reply 19, posted (8 years 2 months 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 8286 times:

Quoting Flamedude707 (Reply 17):
And yet we still se no non-stop or direct between India and SFO. What the hell is wrong with them. One of the largest Indian populations is located in the by area and still nothing. Are we ever going to see it happen or what?

I expect them to start this when AI gets their 777-200LR's...



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User currently offlineManny From United States of America, joined Sep 2006, 474 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (8 years 2 months 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 8129 times:

Here's a few pics on NZ 744's. Its pretty much like VS's 744 layout minus the bar & the massage area.

Here are few pics.


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User currently offlineWsan581 From United States of America, joined Sep 2006, 178 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (8 years 2 months 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 8120 times:

Quoting Himmat01 (Reply 4):
AI is in a very desperate situation at the moment. 3 B747-400s have to be returned before the end of this year unless it manages to extend the lease. 2 A310s also are due to be returned early next year. 2 B747-400s are to be returned by October 2007.



Quoting Karan69 (Reply 6):
Himmat infact AI will be short of 6 A310s by March 2007 --4 leased to be returned and 2 owned ones are being sent for freighter conversions.

Has AI located where they will lease all these aircraft from? So far 1 744 from NZ, sounds like a wish list to me!

How many 777-200LR's are scheduled for delivery next year?



Blue Skies Ahead!!
User currently offlineSammyk From United States of America, joined Oct 1999, 1690 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (8 years 2 months 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 8111 times:
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Quoting AKLDELNonstop (Reply 15):
However what I fail to understand is why are IC and AI not ordering more a/c their current orders are by no means sufficient.

You don't think 50 additional widebody aircraft are enough for AI? How many more do you feel they need?


User currently offlineKaitak744 From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 2397 posts, RR: 3
Reply 23, posted (8 years 2 months 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 8090 times:

Quoting Wsan581 (Reply 21):
How many 777-200LR's are scheduled for delivery next year?

Complete delivery schedule of Air India and Air India Express:
http://www.airliners.net/discussions...eneral_aviation/read.main/2612236/


User currently offlineWsan581 From United States of America, joined Sep 2006, 178 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (8 years 2 months 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 8047 times:

Quoting Kaitak744 (Reply 23):
Complete delivery schedule of Air India and Air India Express:
http://www.airliners.net/discussions...2236/

Thanks!



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25 Karan69 : In a way he is right, 50 does not seem enough especially given the aircrafts they currently have on their fleet are almost around that number --43 ai
26 Gr8Circle : "In the last few years" gives the impression of last 4-5 years....just FYI, IC started operating on the SIN sector some time in the mid 80's and to S
27 Qslinger : Why in the world do they still fly those A 300??? Aren't they ready for the scrap yard???
28 Gr8Circle : You're right, they are.....but I guess they are using them out of sheer need for capacity and the incapacity of the Govt. to order new aircraft for t
29 Jaysit : Which AI will summarily turn into trash.
30 Kaitak744 : I don't think AI keeps the all the airlines seats and interiors. Based on what a few of my friends told me when they flew on an AI (ex SQ) 747, was t
31 Sammyk : The reason for that could be that SIA took them out so AI had to put in their own. I agree with Jaysit, whatever seats will be in there will be trashe
32 Kaitak744 : Uh... first, just to let you know, I am from India. Second, your comment makes no seance. There are hundreds of other countries that have sanity leve
33 Jaysit : I've flown AI's 744s that were ex-SQ 744s in J Class, and they still had those awful SQ ultimo seats, which are just terrible in terms of pitch and co
34 Post contains images Sammyk : Uh...just to let you know, I am also of Indian origin and have flown Air India plenty of times. I have seen the disrespect of public property first h
35 AKLDELNonstop : Mate as Karan pointed out earlier. Most of these a/c will be used to replace existing ones. They need almost twice what they have ordered. I know mat
36 Himmat01 : IC has not started flying to HKG yet.
37 AKLDELNonstop : Are you sure coz there was talk amongst pilots as to who wud get to fly tht route about 6 or 7 years ago and it was almost definite so I thought the
38 Post contains images Gr8Circle : No problem....just clarifying for the benefit of non-Indians who would be visiting this thread.... That's what I thought too.....and there's no pics
39 Aseem : you must be confusing it with SIN...as far as HKG is concerned, the bilateral is pretty tight and hasn't been liberalized even after 2 rounds of nego
40 Post contains images Gr8Circle : Uhh...Aseem, what are you saying....? We feel that IC does not currently fly to HKG....are you agreeing...?
41 KULatICT : for 500USD it would be a bargain... when i flew AA's First on the B77 first class flagship suite, the FA told me each seat cost around 900000USD !!!
42 QFSYD744 : A more realistic $50,000.00 USD is in order..
43 Kaitak744 : Honestly... for a seat? It is just metal, leather, plastic, a tv screen, and a few LED light bulbs all neatly put together. Well, if it is closer to
44 Post contains images QFSYD744 : Honestly, the prices for the seats are as greatly inflated as the catering cost. For example the average catering cost for a Club World meal service
45 6thfreedom : Is that one way or return?? it sound mightly expensive... I was once told that for 'other airlines' pax to use the Qantas club it costs them $25 per
46 QFSYD744 : Per flight, and of course it varies from route to route. Routes such as LAX-SYD, LAX-MEL, and LHR-HKG are the most expensive in the Qantas network fo
47 Himmat01 : s IC had planned to fly to HKG back in the mid 1990s. There were rumours in the industry that IC pilots were unable to land using the IGS at Kai Tak.
48 Karan69 : I had read that each aircraft cost Air Newzealand half a million dollars to upgrade. Karan
49 Himmat01 : The NZ cabin crew had been given strict instructions to see that nobody damages the seats. Will the AI cabin crew be so considerate about an aircraft
50 Nimish : So we have 1 aircraft lined up, but is there any progress on the other 11 that AI need? Or is it going to be another season of cancellations and delay
51 AKLDELNonstop : Yeah you must be right. For there was definetely talk amongst pilots bout it. Thanks for clearing. Cheers
52 777ER : -SUH which is rumored to be bound for AI was the last B744 to be re-configed, so no more B744s to re-config. NZ is thou increasing the number of Prem
53 ZKNBX : Too late for that dude. They are all reconfigured! Even considering the recent decision to increase Premium Economy seating, that is already up to 5
54 777ER : What the, I never said that
55 ZKNBX : errr, sorry about that. Kaitak said it, and you quoted it already - saying the same thing as I did. Don't know how that happened...
56 Jaysit : Again, that sounds very low. I suspect that upgrading each 747 probably cost them close to $ 20 million a pop. When most pod style First Class seats
57 Post contains links Manny : Here is an article that shows the cost of upgrades to Air NZ's 747. http://findarticles.com/p/articles/m..._m0CWU/is_2004_June_28/ai_n6081612 Its 102
58 Manny : In that case, won't the most logical thing to do, be to lease the 747 with the old config instead of refitting?
59 Manny : What part of the A/C are the extra PE seats being added to. If i am not mistaken the original PE cabin with 23 seats is on the upper deck.
60 Boeing747_600 : AI does not operate the A300 anymore. They donated all 3 A300s to Ariana Afghan Airlines in early 2002 after the Taliban was overthrown.
61 Cricket : If AI can change its acquisition strategy - not using teh silly tendering process it might actually get some these 12 planes
62 A342 : To throw in another number about the cost of seats: IIRC each of LH's new biz seats costs 15,000€. Seats made out of Gold or what ? That number seem
63 Boeing747_600 : Even $60,000 is a ludicruous figure! Any airline would be stupid to pay that kind of money for an airline seat.
64 Jaysit : Why? Those seats recover their capital costs, when you consider that a LHR-SIN First Class flight costs $ 10,000. Airlines such as BA and SQ make the
65 Sammyk : They were talking about Indian Airlines, not Air India. It doesn't seem too bad. There is a lot of technology in those first/business class seats and
66 777ER : I've already said the answer to that. All of NZs B744s have been upgraded. The last one ZK-SUH was completed last month. Economy is loosing three row
67 ZKNBX : Actually its a bit more than that. 5 rows of economy 3 abreast front left side (by door entry two) have gone, and been replaced by 4 rows 2 abreast o
68 Manny : Perfect example of humour being lost without the proper smilies in place.
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