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Varig To Get A330-200?  
User currently offlineThorben From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (7 years 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 9251 times:

Source: Aero International October edition page 58.

This is from a German monthly aviation paper. (Maybe our expert Planehunter could comment on the credibility of that particular paper.) It says Varig's new owners want to increase the fleet to 75 planes within three years. A332 and Embraer 190 are supposed to be the backbone of the new fleet.

A332 in Varig colors would look nice.

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User currently offlineStylo777 From Germany, joined Feb 2006, 2948 posts, RR: 12
Reply 1, posted (7 years 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 9029 times:

I think it's a good oppurtunity for them, because the MD-11 getting very old and the cost are getting very high due to the third engine. But I suppose they need to buy new ones from Airbus because there is no existing 'second-hand' A330 on the market.

perhabs the Brazilian gov. grants VARIG a subsidy with buying E190s?!?! IMO a good alternative to Boeing 737xxx


User currently offline9252fly From Canada, joined Sep 2005, 1387 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (7 years 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 8971 times:

Rumours of AC transferring some of their E190 slots to RG have been mentioned on this site previously. AC may be finding that they are being delivered faster than they can absorbed into the current route structure,so perhaps this could be a solution for both parties. In regards to the A332,I think it could be an excellent choice. The key for RG going forward is to simply it's fleet,a combination of the two aircraft would make a lot of sense.

User currently offlineAfay1 From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 1293 posts, RR: 3
Reply 3, posted (7 years 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 8845 times:

I don't think the problem is that the MD-11 is "very" old, just ask Finnair, but rather that Varig didn't take care of them well (several posts on this)...

User currently offlineJJMNGR From Brazil, joined May 2004, 1018 posts, RR: 15
Reply 4, posted (7 years 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 8805 times:

Sorry folks but Mr. Audi is a laugh! He can say whatever he wants to. What I really want to see is all his intentions to be put in place and what is more important is to operate in blue and pay his bills.

The new VARIG is operating in very bad shape. In fact it is operating totally irregular. Let´s see till when this will go on.


User currently offlineMpdesa From United States of America, joined Aug 2001, 76 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (7 years 9 months 3 weeks 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 8648 times:

Quoting JJMNGR (Reply 4):
The new VARIG is operating in very bad shape. In fact it is operating totally irregular. Let´s see till when this will go on.

What exactly do you mean by this? Are they cancelling flights or delaying?

MD


User currently offlineJJMNGR From Brazil, joined May 2004, 1018 posts, RR: 15
Reply 6, posted (7 years 9 months 3 weeks 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 8589 times:

I mean this company was not supposed to be flying. There is no "new VARIG". There is anew company named Aereo Transportes S.A and this company bought the rights to use VARIG trade mark. In fact it is not VARIG, just a brand.
As a new company, they must start from the very first begin. It means, they have to have proper authorization from the Civil Aviation Authority, homologue aircrafts, crew, maintenance, etc...like any other airlines that wants to start operations. Considering this, as they don´t have anything, they were not supposed to be flying. They are irregular.

This is what I meant.

Last month they offer to the market 4% of capacity and got only 2% of the traffic. It seems they are flying with 50% load factor and it is a sign that consumers don´t trust on them. To me is a living dead airline.


User currently offlineLipeGIG From Brazil, joined May 2005, 11409 posts, RR: 59
Reply 7, posted (7 years 9 months 3 weeks 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 8589 times:
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Never heard about this (A332 on RG) but they are under negotiations with AC to get 10 767.

Quoting Stylo777 (Reply 1):
perhabs the Brazilian gov. grants VARIG a subsidy with buying E190s?!?! IMO a good alternative to Boeing 737xxx

Probably they will not receive any subsidy. Embraer confirmed they are under negotiations to sell up to 50 Embraer 190/195 jets to Varig, and RG confirmed they have obtained approval from other airlines to obtain 8 planes shortly (they will grant their rights to RG)

Felipe



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User currently offlinePPVRA From Brazil, joined Nov 2004, 8930 posts, RR: 40
Reply 8, posted (7 years 9 months 3 weeks 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 8543 times:

Quoting LipeGIG (Reply 7):
Probably they will not receive any subsidy. Embraer confirmed they are under negotiations to sell up to 50 Embraer 190/195 jets to Varig, and RG confirmed they have obtained approval from other airlines to obtain 8 planes shortly (they will grant their rights to RG)

8? Who else, JetBlue? IIRC AC offered them 6 slots, no?

I wonder how good this would be for RG... only eight now, and the rest much later. Maybe they should try to obtain a few 737s instead until EMB can start delivering the E90s (any chance RG could convert them to E95s?).

Cheers



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User currently offlineAA1818 From Trinidad and Tobago, joined Feb 2006, 3429 posts, RR: 4
Reply 9, posted (7 years 9 months 3 weeks 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 7898 times:

E190s and 767s (ex Air Canada) makes sense. A332 perhaps in a few years when airlines who get theirs new will be selling on with introduction on A350/ 787 into their fleets.

Also, why the heck did this new group want to keep the Varig name. The reputation of a million years was shattered in a mere week...

To me it would make sense to at least alter the name to something new and incorporate the name varig or loose it alltogether. Honestly, while I would like to succeed, this looks like another '6 months then more drama' situation!

AA1818



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User currently offlineViasa From Switzerland, joined Jun 2005, 1866 posts, RR: 6
Reply 10, posted (7 years 9 months 3 weeks 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 6617 times:

Quoting Thorben (Thread starter):
Source: Aero International October edition page 58

Aero International is not a very good source - is something like the "Bild" of Aviation.


User currently offlineThorben From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (7 years 9 months 3 weeks 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 6178 times:

Quoting Viasa (Reply 10):
Aero International is not a very good source - is something like the "Bild" of Aviation.

Maybe. But what would be a better paper for aviation? I know Flug Revue, but they have so much military reports that I don't care about.


User currently offlineLumberton From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 4708 posts, RR: 20
Reply 12, posted (7 years 9 months 3 weeks 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 6159 times:

Even if true, where could they get A330-200s? Certainly not for many years if they went the purchase route, given the production backlog. I have also thought that the lessors were tapped out as well?


"When all is said and done, more will be said than done".
User currently offlineLipeGIG From Brazil, joined May 2005, 11409 posts, RR: 59
Reply 13, posted (7 years 9 months 3 weeks 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 6158 times:
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Quoting PPVRA (Reply 8):
8? Who else, JetBlue? IIRC AC offered them 6 slots, no?

The info was given by Varig CEO during an interview on Saturday. They also say ANAC confirmed they received all the necessary documents to issue the airline certification (CHETA) and the document probably will be issued during the next 2 weeks.

After the certification we will know who grant their slot rights to RG as well as their future routes.

Quoting AA1818 (Reply 9):
E190s and 767s (ex Air Canada) makes sense. A332 perhaps in a few years when airlines who get theirs new will be selling on with introduction on A350/ 787 into their fleets

Yes, and it's hard to believe on the A332 because a lot of airlines are looking for widebodies. To fly the A332 Varig needs to obtain pilots, not so easy in Brazil nowadays (easy to find 733, M11, 763 and 772 flight deck staff, not A332). Could be something for 2 or 3 years, but it's not clear.

Felipe



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User currently offlineRbirtel From Brazil, joined Nov 2001, 93 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (7 years 9 months 3 weeks 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 5360 times:

Quoting Mpdesa (Reply 5):
The new VARIG is operating in very bad shape. In fact it is operating totally irregular. Let´s see till when this will go on.

Bad shape???? I flew New Varig regular, it is on time, great service, great price and with Smiles program!!!!! Varig is 10!


User currently offlinePHKLM From Northern Mariana Islands, joined Dec 2005, 1198 posts, RR: 2
Reply 15, posted (7 years 9 months 3 weeks 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 5348 times:

Quoting Rbirtel (Reply 14):
Bad shape???? I flew New Varig regular, it is on time, great service, great price and with Smiles program!!!!! Varig is 10!

We're talking about the condition of the planes themselves, not the RG in-flight service.
RG pretty much wrecked 2 777's and better not ask Finnair about past M11 deals with RG Big grin


User currently offlineA342 From Germany, joined Jul 2005, 4679 posts, RR: 3
Reply 16, posted (7 years 9 months 3 weeks 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 5271 times:

Quoting Viasa (Reply 10):
Aero International is not a very good source - is something like the "Bild" of Aviation.

I have to disagree. There is much information that doesn't even appear on a.net. And mostly, it is reliable. When a report should not be true, mostly the airlines concerned have to be "blamed" because they have changed their plans. IMO, that's peanuts.



Exceptions confirm the rule.
User currently offlineMpdesa From United States of America, joined Aug 2001, 76 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (7 years 9 months 3 weeks 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 5088 times:

Quoting Rbirtel (Reply 14):
Quoting Mpdesa (Reply 5):
The new VARIG is operating in very bad shape. In fact it is operating totally irregular. Let´s see till when this will go on.

Bad shape???? I flew New Varig regular, it is on time, great service, great price and with Smiles program!!!!! Varig is 10!

Never said that! I'm all for RG, i loved them in the past and always will. Wish them all the luck in the world and hope they will become great again. Will always fly Varig whenever possible.

MD


User currently offlinePlaneHunter From Germany, joined Mar 2006, 6708 posts, RR: 78
Reply 18, posted (7 years 9 months 3 weeks 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 5075 times:

Quoting Viasa (Reply 10):
Aero International is not a very good source - is something like the "Bild" of Aviation.

Definitely not - I have never read any sensational or exaggerated article in Aero. The magazine is a reliable source for news from Germany, Austria and Switzerland and is usually right with news from other regions as well.


PH



Nothing's worse than flying the same reg twice!
User currently offlineLipeGIG From Brazil, joined May 2005, 11409 posts, RR: 59
Reply 19, posted (7 years 9 months 3 weeks 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 5048 times:
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I flew today RG8740 GIG-GRU leg, operated by PP-VTK (M11), with 2F 38C 220Y, departed GIG on time (1930) arrived GRU earlier at 2035 (ETA 2040). Very good flight!

Quoting Rbirtel (Reply 14):
Bad shape???? I flew New Varig regular, it is on time, great service, great price and with Smiles program!!!!! Varig is 10!

Agree. In 2 weeks they will change their prices (they need to charge higher fares)... one thing is clear, customers are willing to fly RG again and they will return with 14 planes during the next weeks!

Felipe



New York + Rio de Janeiro = One of the best combinations !
User currently offlineArcano From Chile, joined Mar 2004, 2406 posts, RR: 24
Reply 20, posted (7 years 9 months 3 weeks 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 4984 times:

Quoting Thorben (Thread starter):
A332 in Varig colors would look nice.

BTW, are the new owners considering to change the colors? AV and AR have changed them afeter their collapse

Regards )(



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User currently offlinePPVRA From Brazil, joined Nov 2004, 8930 posts, RR: 40
Reply 21, posted (7 years 9 months 3 weeks 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 4918 times:

Thanks for the info, Felipe!

Quoting Arcano (Reply 20):

BTW, are the new owners considering to change the colors? AV and AR have changed them afeter their collapse

Doubt it. AV changed their livery cuz they had an ugly grey livery, and AR probably because of Marsans who tried to keep it similar to IB... very weird... but RG's livery is magnificent, they shouldn't change it other than make small adjustments over time (as it's been done).

Cheers

[Edited 2006-09-25 06:24:38]


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User currently offlineThorben From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 22, posted (7 years 9 months 3 weeks 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 4805 times:

Quoting PlaneHunter (Reply 18):
Definitely not - I have never read any sensational or exaggerated article in Aero. The magazine is a reliable source for news from Germany, Austria and Switzerland and is usually right with news from other regions as well.

But they wrote not too long ago that Aeromexico was to get A346 and I haven't herad anything about that ever since. Maybe they found out the truth about that plane from your posts on a.net.

Quoting Arcano (Reply 20):
BTW, are the new owners considering to change the colors? AV and AR have changed them afeter their collapse

I have no information about that, however I think it is possible to go with a new livery for a fresh start, especially when taking new planes.


User currently offlinePlaneHunter From Germany, joined Mar 2006, 6708 posts, RR: 78
Reply 23, posted (7 years 9 months 3 weeks 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 4748 times:

Quoting Thorben (Reply 22):
But they wrote not too long ago that Aeromexico was to get A346 and I haven't herad anything about that ever since.

Did I suggest anywhere that the magazine is 100% right in any case?

Quoting Thorben (Reply 22):
Maybe they found out the truth about that plane from your posts on a.net.

Mockery is often the result of a poverty of wit.
Jean De La Bruyere


PH



Nothing's worse than flying the same reg twice!
User currently offlineThorben From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 24, posted (7 years 9 months 3 weeks 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 4609 times:

Quoting PlaneHunter (Reply 23):
Did I suggest anywhere that the magazine is 100% right in any case?

Overreactions are often a sign of weak self-confidence.

Quoting PlaneHunter (Reply 23):
Mockery is often the result of a poverty of wit.
Jean De La Bruyere

And sometimes it's used to show somebody the absurdity of his position.


25 A342 : Wow, it's amazing what you call an overreaction... I mean, EVERY magazine makes mistakes. Just because once there has been one, you complain like a s
26 Post contains images PlaneHunter : Sorry? I asked a simple question - which means "Frage" in German, btw. Just in case you refer to the A346 vs B77W discussion - get over it, finally.
27 A342 : So, in your opinion, what should he have answered ? I'd be very interested to hear that. Anyway, your answer about the self-confidence showed that yo
28 MIAMIx707 : Varig's colors are too generic, except for the compass on the tail there's nothing interesting about that livery. Varig should get colors that are mo
29 LipeGIG : Their old livery is amazing IMO... i believe could be a smart move to use it again ! A side note, RG received today airline basic certification from
30 MIAMIx707 : Indeed Felipe, when do you think Varig will be going back to Miami, JFK?
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