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User currently onlineLAXdude1023 From India, joined Sep 2006, 7684 posts, RR: 25
Posted (8 years 4 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 4540 times:

Ive noticed that the only partner that DL has that serves Australia and New Zealand is Korean Air. This means a HUGE out of the way conection for people in the US. I was wondering is there any speculation on if Delta will get a Sky Miles partner who will serve the South Pacific? I dont know if the major airlines like Air New Zealand or Qantas would go for it, but what about Air Tahiti Nui or Air Pacific? I do know that there is an Air France flight that goes from LAX to PPT. But other than that it seems like Skyteam and Delta's big hole is the South Pacific from the US.


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User currently offlineB777-700 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (8 years 4 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 4522 times:

Well, other than the fact that DL plans to serve that area themselves in the distant future, no there aren't any partners other than Korean.

Malaysian is a very attractive partner to SkyTeam, but nothing is in the works at this time.

What a lot of people don't know is just how close Air Tahiti Nui came to joining SkyTeam about a year ago. Those plan have fallen thru with no hope of it happening presently.


User currently offlineLaxintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 25737 posts, RR: 50
Reply 2, posted (8 years 4 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 4510 times:

Air Tahiti Nui actually just recently strenghtened its relationship with AA, with new ability to earn AAdvantage miles on ATN, while Air Pacific also has FF relationship with AA and is partialy owned by Qantas so its unlikely it would ever hook up with DL/Skyteam.


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User currently onlineLAXdude1023 From India, joined Sep 2006, 7684 posts, RR: 25
Reply 3, posted (8 years 4 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 4481 times:

Quoting B777-700 (Reply 1):
Well, other than the fact that DL plans to serve that area themselves in the distant future, no there aren't any partners other than Korean.

Yeah it stinks because I fly there alot and would like to earn the miles with DL, but not enough to stop in ICN. Where would DL serve the South Pacific from? My guess either LAX or perhaps HNL. Probably from a flight from ATL through one of those cities.



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User currently offlineDeltaGator From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 6341 posts, RR: 13
Reply 4, posted (8 years 4 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 4478 times:

Malaysian joining SkyTeam is the most plausible thing to happen. It is a big hole in the Delta and more so SkyTeam network. I just got back from Sydney and flew Singapore Air out of Newark to get there. I got SkyMiles for the trip but unfortunately they didn't count towards Medallion status.


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User currently offlineAloha73G From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 2364 posts, RR: 4
Reply 5, posted (8 years 4 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 4478 times:

Or Hawaiian. They serve SYD already (only 3x a week from HNL) but with more SkyTeam feed they could probably go daily. Also, they already codeshare with CO and NW.

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User currently onlineLAXdude1023 From India, joined Sep 2006, 7684 posts, RR: 25
Reply 6, posted (8 years 4 weeks 1 day ago) and read 4470 times:

Quoting Aloha73G (Reply 5):
Or Hawaiian. They serve SYD already (only 3x a week from HNL) but with more SkyTeam feed they could probably go daily. Also, they already codeshare with CO and NW.

That would be a good idea for them.



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User currently offlineJumbojet From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 1159 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (8 years 4 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 4399 times:

Quoting DeltaGator (Reply 4):
I got SkyMiles for the trip but unfortunately they didn't count towards Medallion status.

that really sucks. That would've been a goldmine of MQM's


User currently offline777ER From New Zealand, joined Dec 2003, 12210 posts, RR: 18
Reply 8, posted (8 years 4 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 4235 times:
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Would be nice to have another mainland USA carrier operating down here. more choices compared with NZ and QF at AKL and UA, QF and NZ(via AKL) in Australia. NZs LAX and SFO flights are getting more and more Aussies on them now

User currently offlineGemuser From Australia, joined Nov 2003, 5712 posts, RR: 6
Reply 9, posted (8 years 4 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 4212 times:

Quoting LAXdude1023 (Thread starter):
. I was wondering is there any speculation on if Delta will get a Sky Miles partner who will serve the South Pacific? I dont know if the major airlines like Air New Zealand or Qantas would go for it, but what about Air Tahiti Nui or Air Pacific?

Seems unkiley. QF is a foundation member of OneWorld, NZ is a member (foundation, I think) of StarA and Air Pacific is a member of OneWorld. TN would have seemed like the best bet, but as Laxintl says in reply 2 they seem to be moving closer to OneWorld, at the moment.

HA via HNL would currently seem to be the best chance. As for Delta itself serving the SW PAcific, I strongly doubt it, unless some MAJOR event occurs to change the whole economic structure of international civil aviation. I have no idea what such an event would be.

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User currently offline777ER From New Zealand, joined Dec 2003, 12210 posts, RR: 18
Reply 10, posted (8 years 4 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 4205 times:
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Quoting Gemuser (Reply 9):
and Air Pacific is a member of OneWorld.

FJ isn't a member of One World. Aer Lingus, AA, BA, CX, FinnAir, IB, LAN and QF are One World members. FJ only code-shares on QF flights and is owned partly by QF.


User currently offlineQFSYD744 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (8 years 4 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 4152 times:

Quoting Gemuser (Reply 9):
HA via HNL would currently seem to be the best chance. As for Delta itself serving the SW PAcific, I strongly doubt it, unless some MAJOR event occurs to change the whole economic structure of international civil aviation. I have no idea what such an event would be.

There are a couple of strong rumors regarding SkyTeam down here.

a/Hawaiian Airlines entering SkyTeam thus making Honolulu a SkyTeam hub.

b/Delta Airlines starting LAX-PPT-SYD with the 763 3 x weekly in addition to Delta Airlines starting LAX-PPT-MEL 3 x weekly. Aircraft utilization would be 2 x 763. These two would seem to be a stretch at best. With the right tour operator contracts Delta could do more than well on both flights. The other one floating around is SYD-AKL-LAX with a Delta 777 6 x weekly. Again requiring the use of 2 aircraft, this time 2 x 777. However, not one person can forecast Delta lately. Since LGW-JFK, KBP-JFK, ACC-JFK, JNB-DKR-ATL seemed to shock many when they were announced.

c/Air France re-commencing PPT-SYD 3 x weekly using the 343 equipment. The flight would originate in LAX. This would give SkyTeam a long needed "efficient" connection aside from the marathon route via ICN to Australia.


User currently offlineATLFlyer323 From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 617 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (8 years 4 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 4110 times:

Quoting DeltaGator (Reply 4):
Malaysian joining SkyTeam is the most plausible thing to happen

How are they doing finacially? I remember a while back they were running out of money and fast. Have they turned things around?

Thanks,
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User currently onlineLAXdude1023 From India, joined Sep 2006, 7684 posts, RR: 25
Reply 13, posted (8 years 4 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 4086 times:

Quoting QFSYD744 (Reply 11):
This would give SkyTeam a long needed "efficient" connection aside from the marathon route via ICN to Australia.

I would take any of the options you mentioned. It does seem that LAX or HNL will be the benifitiary (which is great for me)! I would like to see DL take the lead, but I dont see it to be honest. If DL does, I highly doubt the service will be from ATL unless its through LAX or HNL.



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User currently offlineZK-NBT From New Zealand, joined Oct 2000, 5351 posts, RR: 11
Reply 14, posted (8 years 4 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 4044 times:

Quoting QFSYD744 (Reply 11):

There are a couple of strong rumors regarding SkyTeam down here.

a/Hawaiian Airlines entering SkyTeam thus making Honolulu a SkyTeam hub.

b/Delta Airlines starting LAX-PPT-SYD with the 763 3 x weekly in addition to Delta Airlines starting LAX-PPT-MEL 3 x weekly. Aircraft utilization would be 2 x 763. These two would seem to be a stretch at best. With the right tour operator contracts Delta could do more than well on both flights. The other one floating around is SYD-AKL-LAX with a Delta 777 6 x weekly. Again requiring the use of 2 aircraft, this time 2 x 777. However, not one person can forecast Delta lately. Since LGW-JFK, KBP-JFK, ACC-JFK, JNB-DKR-ATL seemed to shock many when they were announced.

c/Air France re-commencing PPT-SYD 3 x weekly using the 343 equipment. The flight would originate in LAX. This would give SkyTeam a long needed "efficient" connection aside from the marathon route via ICN to Australia.

Hmm, I like the sound of those but will they really happen? I can't see DL flying to AKL/SYD.

A is probably the most likely of those with HA joining Skyteam and making HNL a hub.

AF returning to SYD could be possible but with TN on the route I don't think it would be that viable considering TN are struggling.


User currently offlineJacobin777 From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 14968 posts, RR: 60
Reply 15, posted (8 years 4 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 3985 times:

Quoting 777ER (Reply 10):
Aer Lingus

Air Lingus will no longer be part of OneWorld in the not-so-distant future..

Quoting 777ER (Reply 10):
AA, BA, CX, FinnAir, IB, LAN and QF are One World members.

add MA, JL, and RJ to the OneWorld list... Smile



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User currently offline777ER From New Zealand, joined Dec 2003, 12210 posts, RR: 18
Reply 16, posted (8 years 4 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 3970 times:
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Quoting QFSYD744 (Reply 11):
The other one floating around is SYD-AKL-LAX with a Delta 777 6 x weekly.

I think DL could do well on the AKL-LAX route with a B772. A early afternoon or mid afternoon departure with an early morning arrival into LAX would really do well, especially with familys with kids, which in turn provides quicker connections at LAX, compared to waiting 5-9 hours for a connecting flight to places like ORD after arriving on a QF or NZ flight from AKL mid day.

Quoting Jacobin777 (Reply 15):
Quoting 777ER (Reply 10):
AA, BA, CX, FinnAir, IB, LAN and QF are One World members.

add MA, JL, and RJ to the OneWorld list...

I was going by the current members, not future members


User currently offlineZK-NBT From New Zealand, joined Oct 2000, 5351 posts, RR: 11
Reply 17, posted (8 years 4 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 3968 times:

Quoting 777ER (Reply 16):
I think DL could do well on the AKL-LAX route with a B772. A early afternoon or mid afternoon departure with an early morning arrival into LAX would really do well, especially with familys with kids, which in turn provides quicker connections at LAX, compared to waiting 5-9 hours for a connecting flight to places like ORD after arriving on a QF or NZ flight from AKL mid day.

I agree! Maybe a schedule like this or close to

LAX 2030
AKL 0630
AKL 0810
SYD 0935
SYD 1120
AKL 1615
AKL 1755
LAX 0900

First DL do need a few more 777's.


User currently offlineGemuser From Australia, joined Nov 2003, 5712 posts, RR: 6
Reply 18, posted (8 years 4 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 3954 times:

Quoting 777ER (Reply 10):
FJ isn't a member of One World. Aer Lingus, AA, BA, CX, FinnAir, IB, LAN and QF are One World members. FJ only code-shares on QF flights and is owned partly by QF

OK

Quoting QFSYD744 (Reply 11):
b/Delta Airlines starting LAX-PPT-SYD with the 763 3 x weekly in addition to Delta Airlines starting LAX-PPT-MEL 3 x weekly. Aircraft utilization would be 2 x 763. These two would seem to be a stretch at best. With the right tour operator contracts Delta could do more than well on both flights. The other one floating around is SYD-AKL-LAX with a Delta 777 6 x weekly. Again requiring the use of 2 aircraft, this time 2 x 777. However, not one person can forecast Delta lately. Since LGW-JFK, KBP-JFK, ACC-JFK, JNB-DKR-ATL seemed to shock many when they were announced.

LAX-PPT-SYD/MEL! What would be the market? You would get very little LAX/SYD/MEL O&D traffic, NO business traffic US/Oz. Tourist traffic yes, but enough to support 6 weekly? I strongly doubt it. If Delta has two B763s its looking for work for, I would think that ATL/JFK-Europe would be more profitable.
SYD-AKL-LAX! Again whats the market? Yes they would get very price sensitive traffic if there prices were low enough, but even this traffic perferrs to minimise stops. As for business traffic from SYD, none, well execpt for some manic Skyteam FF. But I cant belive they would make the route viable. Once again if Delta is looking for work for two B777 North Asia/India/Europe would almost certainly be more profitable.

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User currently offline777ER From New Zealand, joined Dec 2003, 12210 posts, RR: 18
Reply 19, posted (8 years 4 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 3947 times:
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Quoting ZK-NBT (Reply 17):
LAX 2030
AKL 0630
AKL 0810
SYD 0935
SYD 1120
AKL 1615
AKL 1755
LAX 0900

That would be an excellent arrival time at LAX. It would enable a midday arrival in ORD etc and also provides way better connections compared to NZ and QFs services


User currently offline6thfreedom From Bermuda, joined Sep 2004, 3333 posts, RR: 20
Reply 20, posted (8 years 4 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 3880 times:

Quoting ZK-NBT (Reply 17):
I agree! Maybe a schedule like this or close to

LAX 2030
AKL 0630
AKL 0810
SYD 0935
SYD 1120
AKL 1615
AKL 1755
LAX 0900

This is pretty much what QF, UA and NZ do one way or another... nothing creative there.


User currently offline777ER From New Zealand, joined Dec 2003, 12210 posts, RR: 18
Reply 21, posted (8 years 4 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 3876 times:
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Quoting 6thfreedom (Reply 20):
Quoting ZK-NBT (Reply 17):
I agree! Maybe a schedule like this or close to

LAX 2030
AKL 0630
AKL 0810
SYD 0935
SYD 1120
AKL 1615
AKL 1755
LAX 0900

This is pretty much what QF, UA and NZ do one way or another... nothing creative there.

QF and NZ don't have a 9am arrival in LA or 5pm departure from AKL. QF comes close


User currently offlineB777-700 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 22, posted (8 years 4 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 3774 times:

Quoting QFSYD744 (Reply 11):
a/Hawaiian Airlines entering SkyTeam thus making Honolulu a SkyTeam hub.



Quoting QFSYD744 (Reply 11):
b/Delta Airlines starting LAX-PPT-SYD with the 763 3 x weekly in addition to Delta Airlines starting LAX-PPT-MEL 3 x weekly.



Quoting QFSYD744 (Reply 11):
The other one floating around is SYD-AKL-LAX with a Delta 777 6 x weekly

There is zero truth to any of those rumors. Hawaiian is not coming into SkyTeam, and even if it were announced tomorrow, it would still be about two years before their membership took effect.

Any announcement regarding Delta service to Australia is at least a year away, nothing will be done until more 777's are online.

It's so distant it's really not worth talking about right now.


User currently offlineAxio From New Zealand, joined Jul 2006, 315 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (8 years 3 weeks 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 3634 times:

Can the 772LR do AKL-ATL both ways?

Direct distance is 8096mi, but according to great circle mapper that flies through some areas not usable with ETOPS 180 or 207. However, the Boeing website indiciates a range of 9,420 nautical miles and includes New York-Auckland as a city-pair.

A feed into Atlanta would provide great connections into America and Europe, whereas Asian hubs can only provide limited feed (to major cities) in Europe.



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User currently offlineSHUPirate1 From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 3670 posts, RR: 16
Reply 24, posted (8 years 3 weeks 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 3601 times:

I seem to remember a route map showing that Delta once flew Honolulu-Seoul during the days of the Portland Gateway...would Delta flying one of the 764ER's HNL-SYD (and return) be a possibility?


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25 Freedom747 : *only* passing along some info: Delta Air Lines - not Delta Airlines oneworld -not OneWorld, One World SkyTeam - not Skyteam, SKYteam, Sky Team...etc
26 Post contains images QFSYD744 : You have forgotten.. QANTAS not QUANTAS
27 LAXdude1023 : Something tells me if we do see DL service the area, that is indeed how it will manifest. If they could do a HNL-SYD service, this would: - Provide p
28 6thfreedom : It's much of a muchness on such a long sector. Basically all airline follow the same pattern. Midday ex-Australia, morning arrival into LAX, evening
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