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Avianca On The SauPaulo Route  
User currently offlineAvianca From Venezuela, joined Jan 2005, 5934 posts, RR: 40
Posted (8 years 3 months 1 week 11 hours ago) and read 3514 times:

Dear all,

just noted that Avianca had/has today 2 flights ex Bogota to SaoPaulo,

first flight departed today at 10:00 am from Bogota (AV-095) and one will depart today at 09:30pm (AV-085), till today I thought Avianca has only 1 daily flight (AV-085) was the AV-095 today a extra flight or a extra flight on saturdays for limited time or is this the normal schedule?

thanks and regards
Avianca


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User currently offlineSOUTHAMERICA From Colombia, joined Dec 2003, 2497 posts, RR: 10
Reply 1, posted (8 years 3 months 1 week 8 hours ago) and read 3465 times:

Avianca has been flying BOG-GRU 8x weekly for quite some time now in order to meet demand ever since Varig ceased its flights. The extra service operates on Saturdays with a 757.

Avianca currently operates:

BOG-GRU 8x weekly: 4x 763 + 4x757

Needless to say, right now, BOG-GRU is possibly the best-performer route in a per-flight basis for Avianca. Load factor for July was 96,7%.


SOUTHAMERICA


User currently offlineLipeGIG From Brazil, joined May 2005, 11459 posts, RR: 58
Reply 2, posted (8 years 3 months 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 3404 times:
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Quoting Avianca (Thread starter):
first flight departed today at 10:00 am from Bogota (AV-095) and one will depart today at 09:30pm (AV-085), till today I thought Avianca has only 1 daily flight (AV-085) was the AV-095 today a extra flight or a extra flight on saturdays for limited time or is this the normal schedule?

During the time RG is not flying to BOG (or even another airline), ANAC is granting to AV the right to fly an extra weekly frequency. Every 30 days they are extending this right, now allowed during September. AV also requested three additional frequencies during the summer in case no other airline fly to BOG, final answer will be made by ANAC during October, but GOL requested the right to fly MAO-BOG.

Felipe



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User currently offlineSumma767 From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2004, 2569 posts, RR: 6
Reply 3, posted (8 years 3 months 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 3358 times:

Quoting LipeGIG (Reply 2):
but GOL requested the right to fly MAO-BOG

I sthis for 7 frequencies, or just 3?
If RG decided to restart its allowed 4 x weekly to BOG, could they still do so? After how long of non-operation can ANAC allocate those frequencies to another airline?


User currently offlineA388 From Netherlands Antilles, joined May 2001, 10010 posts, RR: 15
Reply 4, posted (8 years 3 months 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 3251 times:

Quoting Summa767 (Reply 3):
I sthis for 7 frequencies, or just 3?
If RG decided to restart its allowed 4 x weekly to BOG, could they still do so? After how long of non-operation can ANAC allocate those frequencies to another airline?

Good question, I was wondering the same about these rights allocations. How does it work in Brazil/Colombia or South America for that matter?

A388


User currently offlineLipeGIG From Brazil, joined May 2005, 11459 posts, RR: 58
Reply 5, posted (8 years 3 months 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 3239 times:
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Quoting Summa767 (Reply 3):
I sthis for 7 frequencies, or just 3?
If RG decided to restart its allowed 4 x weekly to BOG, could they still do so? After how long of non-operation can ANAC allocate those frequencies to another airline?

For 7, but Gol request is under Fortaleza Agreements (from frontier areas, so they are ex-billateral). The flight will run a MAO-BOG leg. If Varig return with there 4 frequencies, they need first to confirm the frequencies with ANAC, nowadays even Ocean Air is looking for BOG as a stop for a LAX route.

Quoting A388 (Reply 4):
Good question, I was wondering the same about these rights allocations. How does it work in Brazil/Colombia or South America for that matter?

Bilateral Brazil-Colombia allows 7 weekly flights for each country. Fortaleza agreement signed last year is a kind of "open skies" for routes like EZE-SCL and SCL-LIM (Gol) as well as POA-EZE, FLN-EZE and IGU-ASU. Gol will use the agreement to fly to Bogota.

Felipe



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User currently offlineA388 From Netherlands Antilles, joined May 2001, 10010 posts, RR: 15
Reply 6, posted (8 years 3 months 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 3212 times:

Quoting LipeGIG (Reply 5):
Bilateral Brazil-Colombia allows 7 weekly flights for each country. Fortaleza agreement signed last year is a kind of "open skies" for routes like EZE-SCL and SCL-LIM (Gol) as well as POA-EZE, FLN-EZE and IGU-ASU. Gol will use the agreement to fly to Bogota.

Felipe

Hi Felipe, as always thank you very much for your explanation. Are there plans to introduce an open skies agreement between Brazil and Colombia or other South American countries?

Will we ever see open skies agreements between all South American countries? To be honest I don't see this ever happening but any ideas or thoughts on this?

A388


User currently offlineSOUTHAMERICA From Colombia, joined Dec 2003, 2497 posts, RR: 10
Reply 7, posted (8 years 3 months 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 3198 times:

Quoting A388 (Reply 6):
Will we ever see open skies agreements between all South American countries?

At least, for now, we're half way there: Colombia, Venezuela, Ecuador, Peru and Bolivia all have Open Skies between each other.



SOUTHAMERICA


User currently offlineLipeGIG From Brazil, joined May 2005, 11459 posts, RR: 58
Reply 8, posted (8 years 3 months 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 3175 times:
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Quoting A388 (Reply 6):
Hi Felipe, as always thank you very much for your explanation. Are there plans to introduce an open skies agreement between Brazil and Colombia or other South American countries?

A388, i believe it's the way, but some governments (including Brazil) believe that an open skies will boost only Rio and Sao Paulo as international destinations. Even if it's right, my opinion is in favor of an open skies.

Felipe



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User currently offline777jaah From Colombia, joined Jan 2006, 1403 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (8 years 3 months 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 3073 times:

Quoting LipeGIG (Reply 8):
an open skies will boost only Rio and Sao Paulo as international destinations

If there's where the travellers want to go, where's the problem?? Promoting other places doesn't mean to cut on the ones that already are gathering a crowd and need to be well served (frequencies-wise).

Quoting LipeGIG (Reply 5):
The flight will run a MAO-BOG leg

Starting in GRU I guess....

Quoting LipeGIG (Reply 5):
Ocean Air is looking for BOG as a stop for a LAX route

I know they already are looking for some 767s and 757s from ILFC (maybe ex-RG??), so that would make sense, but I don't think ANAC will grant exclusive rights on this route to the same person (mr Efromovich).

JAAH



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User currently offline2travel2know From Panama, joined Apr 2005, 3580 posts, RR: 4
Reply 10, posted (8 years 3 months 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 3002 times:

Destinations in Brazil other than GIG and GRU could be (ideally) easy to get rights to fly into. Problem is that GRU and to some extend GIG are so important that airlines flying to Brazil would rather fly to those cities instead of adding flights to CNF, BSB, FOR, SSA, POA, REC, CWB... which could support profitable limited international flights.
I doubt AV would think of flying to BEL for example, even if granted the rights by ANAC without asking for them.



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User currently offlineLipeGIG From Brazil, joined May 2005, 11459 posts, RR: 58
Reply 11, posted (8 years 3 months 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 2969 times:
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Quoting 2travel2know (Reply 10):
Destinations in Brazil other than GIG and GRU could be (ideally) easy to get rights to fly into. Problem is that GRU and to some extend GIG are so important that airlines flying to Brazil would rather fly to those cities instead of adding flights to CNF, BSB, FOR, SSA, POA, REC, CWB... which could support profitable limited international flights.
I doubt AV would think of flying to BEL for example, even if granted the rights by ANAC without asking for them.

Right, and the main problem is that, BEL, MAO and others keep problems with connections.

Quoting 777jaah (Reply 9):
If there's where the travellers want to go, where's the problem?? Promoting other places doesn't mean to cut on the ones that already are gathering a crowd and need to be well served (frequencies-wise).

It doesn't help the country so much. CGH and GRU are just well above their capacity because of this. Brazil is not a rich country where we can just put new terminals at SAO airports every 3 years. I never mention to cut, i mention that Brazil need flights to other cities, and that's why Fortaleza agreement has been signed, not to allow GRU or GIG.

Felipe



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