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When Will QF Fly 747 300 On AKL-LAX  
User currently offline747400sp From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 3718 posts, RR: 2
Posted (8 years 2 months 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 4732 times:

I missed out on a chance to see QF fly 747 300 on the ACK-LAX last November, because I live on east coast now. But I am amost willing to fly to LA just to hear those RB 2:11 524 D4 at full power. After NZ retired there 747 200 fleet nothing at LAX sound or look as exciting as those 747 200 flying LAX- ACK at take off. I know with a 747 300 on same route would take up as much as those NZ 747 200 or more and would be as loud. So is QF flying 747 300 nonstop to LAX and if so when?

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User currently offline777ER From New Zealand, joined Dec 2003, 12266 posts, RR: 18
Reply 1, posted (8 years 2 months 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 4703 times:
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First off ACK are airports in the USA, its AKL that your after.

Quoting 747400sp (Thread starter):
So is QF flying 747 300 nonstop to LAX and if so when?

B744s are scheduled to operate the route year round. QF only send a B743 on the route when one of the B744s that operate AKL-LAX is in MX or out of service. You basically never know when a QF B743 will be in LAX.


User currently offlineRoseFlyer From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 9689 posts, RR: 52
Reply 2, posted (8 years 2 months 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 4624 times:

Can the 743's even make the route nonstop? That is pushing their range. The first plane well suited for that route was the 744 although the 747SP could fly AKL-LAX nonstop and did for Pan Am.


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User currently offlineZK-NBT From New Zealand, joined Oct 2000, 5359 posts, RR: 11
Reply 3, posted (8 years 2 months 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 4597 times:

Quoting RoseFlyer (Reply 2):
Can the 743's even make the route nonstop?

Yes they can! The return LAX-AKL is a bit of a push and sometimes tech stops at NAN for fuel.

As to the 743's to LAX they also operated between April and June 2006 on 3 flights a week, some stopped in HNL on the AKL-LAX leg due to runway works at AKL. Gotta agree I love watching the 743 take off to AKL to LAX fully loaded!


User currently offlineAirCop From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (8 years 2 months 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 4591 times:

Quoting RoseFlyer (Reply 2):
the first plane well suited for that route was the 744 although the 747SP could fly AKL-LAX nonstop and did for Pan Am.

What??? I flown QF's747-200 from LAX-AKL-LAX, ditto for NZ's and Pan Am from SFO. During a sixteen hour delay in June 1989 on the QF LAX-AKL (we were supposed to leave at 2245 finally did at 1400 the next day) that next morning QF morning arrival non-stop from SYD was operated with a 300 series instead of the SP, although going w/b we were told that it would have to make a tech stop at AKL for fuel.


User currently offlineZK-NBT From New Zealand, joined Oct 2000, 5359 posts, RR: 11
Reply 5, posted (8 years 2 months 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 4576 times:

Quoting AirCop (Reply 4):

What??? I flown QF's747-200 from LAX-AKL-LAX, ditto for NZ's and Pan Am from SFO

I thought QF only stated AKL-LAX with the 744 around 1990? NZ and PA never flew SFO-AKL back then if thats what you are saying. NZ do now obviously.

Quoting AirCop (Reply 4):
that next morning QF morning arrival non-stop from SYD was operated with a 300 series instead of the SP

It would have been heavily weight restricted if it did!


User currently onlineN1120A From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 26702 posts, RR: 75
Reply 6, posted (8 years 2 months 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 4556 times:

Quoting 777ER (Reply 1):
First off ACK are airports in the USA

Actually, it is only one airport. ACK is Nantucket, CAK is Akron/Canton

Quoting RoseFlyer (Reply 2):
Can the 743's even make the route nonstop? That is pushing their range.

Yes they can, and it isn't really much of a push. Remember, AKL is 2-3 fewer hours flying time.

Quoting RoseFlyer (Reply 2):
The first plane well suited for that route was the 744 although the 747SP could fly AKL-LAX nonstop and did for Pan Am.

The 747SP actually has longer range than the 744

Quoting ZK-NBT (Reply 5):
Quoting AirCop (Reply 4):
that next morning QF morning arrival non-stop from SYD was operated with a 300 series instead of the SP

It would have been heavily weight restricted if it did!

On the way back, yes, on the way to LAX it should have been ok. It probably tech stopped in HNL



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User currently offlineAirCop From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (8 years 2 months 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 4523 times:

Quoting ZK-NBT (Reply 5):
NZ and PA never flew SFO-AKL back then if thats what you are saying. NZ do now obviously.

I boarded a Pan Am 747 in SFO and 13 hours later landed at AKL. Ditto the return. The schedule in 1977/1978 I believe was once or twice a week. In 1979 this service was moved to LAX.


User currently offlineZK-NBT From New Zealand, joined Oct 2000, 5359 posts, RR: 11
Reply 8, posted (8 years 2 months 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 4463 times:

Quoting AirCop (Reply 7):

I boarded a Pan Am 747 in SFO and 13 hours later landed at AKL. Ditto the return. The schedule in 1977/1978 I believe was once or twice a week. In 1979 this service was moved to LAX.

Ok, I wasn't aware that anyone had flown SFO-AKL non stop before NZ. UA at one stage had a SFO-HNL-AKL-SYD flight.


User currently offline777ER From New Zealand, joined Dec 2003, 12266 posts, RR: 18
Reply 9, posted (8 years 2 months 1 day ago) and read 4431 times:
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Quoting RoseFlyer (Reply 2):
Can the 743's even make the route nonstop?

Yip

Quoting N1120A (Reply 6):
Quoting 777ER (Reply 1):
First off ACK are airports in the USA

Actually, it is only one airport. ACK is Nantucket, CAK is Akron/Canton

Thats not what a.nets airport data says. One in Ohio and Massachusetts


User currently onlineN1120A From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 26702 posts, RR: 75
Reply 10, posted (8 years 2 months 13 hours ago) and read 4266 times:

Quoting 777ER (Reply 9):
Thats not what a.nets airport data says. One in Ohio and Massachusetts

Yes, I know what it says, but that is a mistake. Here is a better resource.

http://www.airnav.com/airport/KCAK

http://www.airnav.com/airport/KACK



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User currently offline747400sp From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 3718 posts, RR: 2
Reply 11, posted (8 years 2 months 12 hours ago) and read 4238 times:

Quoting 777ER (Reply 1):
First off ACK are airports in the USA, its AKL that your after.

Yes you are right! It is AKL, I just a little rusty on my airport code. Big grin


User currently offlineB52murph From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 241 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (8 years 2 months 12 hours ago) and read 4222 times:

Quoting N1120A (Reply 6):
Quoting RoseFlyer (Reply 2):
The first plane well suited for that route was the 744 although the 747SP could fly AKL-LAX nonstop and did for Pan Am.

The 747SP actually has longer range than the 744

According to the a/c data, only in a ferrying capacity:

747-400
747-400 - Max cruising speed 939km/h (507kt), long range cruising speed 907km/h (490kt). Design range with 420 three class pax at 396,895kg (875,000lb) MTOW 13,491km (7284nm) with PW-4000s, 13,444km (7259nm) with GEs, 13,214km (7135nm) with RB-211s.
747-400ER - Range at MTOW 14,205km (7670nm).
747-400ERF - Range at MTOW 9200km (4970nm).

747-SP
Max speed 1000km/h (540kt). Range with 331 passengers and baggage 10,840km (5855nm), range with 276 passengers 12,325km (6650nm), ferry range with max fuel and 13,610kg (30,000lb) payload 15,400km (8315nm).


User currently onlineN1120A From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 26702 posts, RR: 75
Reply 13, posted (8 years 2 months 12 hours ago) and read 4218 times:

Quoting B52murph (Reply 12):
According to the a/c data, only in a ferrying capacity:

The aircraft data on A.net is wrong, this has been settled for quite a while. Except for the 744ER, the 747SP has the longest range of any flying 747.



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