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What Will Come Next For Airbus?  
User currently offlineJamesJimlb From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 1023 posts, RR: 2
Posted (7 years 12 months 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 6612 times:

airbus just finished the A380 and is now planning the A350 what will be next? will they take a break or will the continue comming up with new ideas?

(if no info known write what they should do)

jamesjimlb


The sky is no longer the limit, but the mere minimum
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User currently offlineShamrock350 From Ireland, joined Mar 2005, 6338 posts, RR: 14
Reply 1, posted (7 years 12 months 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 6606 times:

A320E? Could be something great, that is if there are no delays!

[Edited 2006-09-24 20:13:08]

User currently offlineTheSonntag From Germany, joined Jun 2005, 3595 posts, RR: 29
Reply 2, posted (7 years 12 months 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 6578 times:

The A320 needs a replacement, just like the 737NG, once new engines are available. Both were very successful designs, but they will need to be replaced in 10 years from now.

Other than that, I think we will not see completely new desings in the next 15 years.


User currently offlineMauriceB From Netherlands, joined Aug 2004, 2490 posts, RR: 25
Reply 3, posted (7 years 12 months 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 6538 times:

Quote:
Other than that, I think we will not see completely new desings in the next 15 years.

Correct, both have just finished (or almost) there marketing plans for the next 10-15 years, except for the Short haul market. Although i think we might see a bigger version of the A380, but not in the near future , since i think Airbus first has to sort out the problems with the current A380 versions

Airbus:

A350
A380
A340-500/600HGW (although both not really new)

Boeing:
787-3/8/9/(10?)
777-200LR/300ER
747-8I


A380


User currently offlineStitch From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 31003 posts, RR: 86
Reply 4, posted (7 years 12 months 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 6538 times:
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Quoting JamesJimlb (Thread starter):
airbus just finished the A380 and is now planning the A350 what will be next? will they take a break or will the continue comming up with new ideas?

They will develop and launch the A320E as an interim "refresh" until the A320RS is ready in the mid-to-late 2010s.


User currently offlineJamesJimlb From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 1023 posts, RR: 2
Reply 5, posted (7 years 12 months 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 6521 times:

airbus should take a chance and try to make a jet like the md80/90 or try a regional jet.


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User currently offlineScorpio From Belgium, joined Oct 2001, 5032 posts, RR: 43
Reply 6, posted (7 years 12 months 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 6504 times:

Quoting JamesJimlb (Reply 5):
airbus should take a chance and try to make a jet like the md80/90

They've already done that. It's called the A320.

ANyway, the A320RS will probably be the next big project.


User currently offlineJamesJimlb From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 1023 posts, RR: 2
Reply 7, posted (7 years 12 months 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 6495 times:

Quoting Scorpio (Reply 6):
They've already done that. It's called the A320.

that is the 737 of airbus, i'm talking about a smaller jet.



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User currently offlineJakTrax From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2005, 4936 posts, RR: 7
Reply 8, posted (7 years 12 months 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 6483 times:

Why would they make an MD-80/90-type jet? they already have one in the shape of the A320/321. Also, there would be little point in competing with the likes of Embraer and Bombardier in the regional stakes, as they seem to have it all wrapped up. Besides, judging by the success (or lack of) of Airbus' 'nearly' regional jet, the A318, it certainly wouldn't be a wise idea to go even smaller. Boeing have had a similar disaster with their 737-600.

The regional jet market is perhaps more fierce than the larger airliner market - Dornier are an unfortunate testimony to that.

Karl


User currently offlineCURLYHEADBOY From Italy, joined Feb 2005, 940 posts, RR: 2
Reply 9, posted (7 years 12 months 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 6483 times:

I'm not an expert, but i guess it will depend a lot on the succes of the A380, Airbus has invested so much in it, that its downfall on any future project is likely to be huge....


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User currently offlineJamesJimlb From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 1023 posts, RR: 2
Reply 10, posted (7 years 12 months 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 6460 times:

if not the regional jet biz they will probably make the A320 replacement


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User currently offlineScorpio From Belgium, joined Oct 2001, 5032 posts, RR: 43
Reply 11, posted (7 years 12 months 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 6433 times:

Quoting JamesJimlb (Reply 7):
that is the 737 of airbus, i'm talking about a smaller jet

When did the MD-80/90 become smaller than the A320/737? A320 was designed as a direct competitor to the MD-80 (and 737), while the MD-90 was McDD's response to the A320.


User currently offlineJpax From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 1018 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (7 years 12 months 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 6363 times:

Quoting JamesJimlb (Thread starter):
airbus just finished the A380

Airbus is not quite finished with the A380. They are still working out wiring among other things, and then who knows what may (or may not) come after that. After it gets delivered to the airlines, they will definitely have their own technicalities they want sorted out, especially if it doesn't reach performance guarantees.

So while it may look like Airbus has finished the A380, they still have quite a bit of tweaking to do to have their customers satisfied.


User currently offlineHb88 From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2005, 816 posts, RR: 31
Reply 13, posted (7 years 12 months 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 6290 times:

Quoting JamesJimlb (Reply 7):
Quoting Scorpio (Reply 6):
"They've already done that. It's called the A320."

that is the 737 of airbus, i'm talking about a smaller jet.

The "737 of Airbus" is a pretty broad statement! Are you sure you don't mean the A318 or A319? To me they seem more along the lines of a smaller regional jet. In any case, ATR, also owned by EADS so I guess a sister company of Airbus produces the excellent ATR regional turboprop which has been filling a regional-jet-like space for a while. So I would speculate that there wouldn't be much business impetus to specifically develop a line similar to the ERJ etc.

In any case, I think you can safely say that Airbus will be pretty busy with the 350XWB, 380/380 stretch, NSR, A400M and the 330 freighter for a while.


User currently offlineEDDB From Germany, joined Aug 2006, 244 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (7 years 12 months 3 days ago) and read 6206 times:

I think we all agree that the A32x will be the next type in need of a successor, so no surprise there... But what will be interesting is: Which new technology will become available at that time?

IMO Airbus will be the first to build a commercial airplane with an adaptive wing, the time might be right for that!


User currently offlineBigSky123 From Slovenia, joined Dec 2005, 149 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (7 years 12 months 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 6143 times:

Quoting EDDB (Reply 14):
IMO Airbus will be the first to build a commercial airplane with an adaptive wing, the time might be right for that!

Could you elaborate please? Are you talking F-14 Tomcat type of adaptive wing on an airliner?!


User currently offline474218 From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 6340 posts, RR: 9
Reply 16, posted (7 years 12 months 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 6104 times:

IMO the first thing Airbus must do is finish the projects they have started and restore their customers confidence. With Airbus's last two projects; the still born A350 and the much delayed A380 fresh on their mind, what airline (except for a EU state run airline) would dare to be a launch customer on a new Airbus project?

User currently offlineStitch From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 31003 posts, RR: 86
Reply 17, posted (7 years 12 months 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 6101 times:
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Quoting BigSky123 (Reply 15):
Could you elaborate please? Are you talking F-14 Tomcat type of adaptive wing on an airliner?!

The Tomcat has a variable geometry wing.

Mission Adaptable Wings - MAWS - are conceptual wings that change their shape as needed to meet mission requirements. So at take-off and landing, they would change to allow higher angles of attack to prevent stalling. At cruise, they would change to provide the most efficient profile. And such.


User currently offlineEDDB From Germany, joined Aug 2006, 244 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (7 years 12 months 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 5952 times:

Quoting BigSky123 (Reply 15):
Could you elaborate please? Are you talking F-14 Tomcat type of adaptive wing on an airliner?!

Not quite! An adaptive wing has the target to change certain usually fixed parameters of the wing during flight, like airfoil, chord or aspect ratio! It would also make slats and flaps obsolete! This shall be done by use of flexible materials or actuators! Since nowadays wings are a compromise and not suited perfectly for every part of the flight envelope, the adaptive wing changes its form constantly to offer the best aerodynamic charateristics for every phase of flight! Experts estimate that adaptive wings have the potential to save up to 35% of fuel! I'm not quite sure if we will see this technology with the next generation of airliners after EIS of 787/350, but if not then we will see it later on! Maybe together with a blended-wing-body-kind of jetliner... Who knows? But I'm pretty sure that you won't get much more out of a conventional design with a tube, fixed wings and 2 engines fitted beneath it!


User currently offlineColumba From Germany, joined Dec 2004, 7063 posts, RR: 4
Reply 19, posted (7 years 12 months 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 5911 times:

Quoting JamesJimlb (Thread starter):
will they take a break

It is never good to take a rest in a such a high technology industry.
Not only Boeing could come up with a 737 replacement based on 787 technology but China, Japan and Embraer could come up with a regional jet that is close to the 737/A320 size that could steal market share on the lower segment of Airbus products.
Airbus also has the A400M that has to be finished soon and is facing delays.
I guess that the next big thing for Airbus is the A320E and they will also start to work on a real replacement for it so that they are not facing a bad surprise when Boeing comes up with their new 737 sized aircraft.



It will forever be a McDonnell Douglas MD 80 , Boeing MD 80 sounds so wrong
User currently offlineMotorHussy From New Zealand, joined Mar 2000, 3205 posts, RR: 9
Reply 20, posted (7 years 12 months 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 5855 times:

Something in the area of a replacement for:

- A300/310 with long and short range versions
- A320 family replacements with a consideration for a short range smaller jet; perhaps a family of two?


But only once they've got their SH*# together with the A380 and A350.

IMHO

Regards
MH



come visit the south pacific
User currently offlineOzarkD9S From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 5111 posts, RR: 21
Reply 21, posted (7 years 12 months 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 5833 times:

They are seriously studying an aircraft powered by brainwaves. WN will be the launch customer.

:D



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User currently offlineMotorHussy From New Zealand, joined Mar 2000, 3205 posts, RR: 9
Reply 22, posted (7 years 12 months 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 5803 times:

Quoting OzarkD9S (Reply 21):
They are seriously studying an aircraft powered by brainwaves. WN will be the launch customer.

But there is a belief that Boeing are intercepting their wave instruction through lab tests on subjects at Guantanamo.



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User currently offlineScorpio From Belgium, joined Oct 2001, 5032 posts, RR: 43
Reply 23, posted (7 years 12 months 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 5796 times:

Quoting 474218 (Reply 16):
With Airbus's last two projects; the still born A350 and the much delayed A380 fresh on their mind, what airline (except for a EU state run airline) would dare to be a launch customer on a new Airbus project?

Oh I don't know, Singapore Airlines?


User currently offlineBigSky123 From Slovenia, joined Dec 2005, 149 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (7 years 12 months 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 5775 times:

Thank you for the explanation Stitch and EDDB! Sounds very interesting! How would they keep the weight of these wings down with all the machinery underneath?

25 MotorHussy : And maybe QR.
26 Post contains images EDDB : Look at all the machinery that is used nowadays for slats, flaps, spoilers, etc. I think it won't be more machinery, but I don't know for sure of cou
27 AutoThrust : I dont think Airbus will announce a new program in the next 2 years. We shouldn't forget how much programs are running and how busy Airbus is at the m
28 Flysherwood : Since when is the A380 project finished? They haven't even delivered their first airplane. The A350 is still on the drawing board? The better question
29 Post contains images Beech19 : I can't speak for the A318... but i think calling the 736 a disaster is a little extreme. Am i the only one who is tired of hearing this? Just like t
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