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Why Does BA Have Cloth Seats At Rear Of B767s?  
User currently offline8herveg From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2006, 1198 posts, RR: 0
Posted (8 years 2 hours ago) and read 9622 times:

I travelled to Barcelona recently with BA, on one of their Euro fleet Boeing 767s. I noticed that the rear of the aircraft had cloth seats, and the front had leather.

What is the reason behind this? Will they eventually be changed to an all leather material? Is it like this on any of their other aircraft?

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User currently offlineAsstChiefMark From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (8 years 2 hours ago) and read 9613 times:

IIRC, they put people with bladder control problems up front.

Mark


User currently offlineSK736 From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2006, 523 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (8 years 2 hours ago) and read 9589 times:
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I think it's because the leather seats are the convertable C/Y seats and the cloth seats are bog standard Y seats.

User currently offlineUAL777UK From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2005, 3356 posts, RR: 1
Reply 3, posted (8 years 2 hours ago) and read 9577 times:

this is also the same on the Airbus and 757's

User currently offline8herveg From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2006, 1198 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (8 years ago) and read 9376 times:

Quoting SK736 (Reply 2):
I think it's because the leather seats are the convertable C/Y seats and the cloth seats are bog standard Y seats.

Can't they have non-convertable seats which are leather though? Like some of the other seats in the BA short-haul fleet?

Are they going to change it every? Looks very messy!


User currently offlineSK736 From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2006, 523 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (8 years ago) and read 9341 times:
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Quoting 8herveg (Reply 4):
Are they going to change it every? Looks very messy!

There's another thread about that very subject. Apparently the short haul fleet is being reconfigured to squeeze more seats in - maybe that's the time they'll dump the cloth seats.


User currently offlineXxzz123 From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2000, 48 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (8 years ago) and read 9341 times:

I think that Sky736 got it right - the cloth covered seats at the rear are not interchangeable to the front of the cabin. I also understand that potentially 'troublesome' pax - i.e. a party of kids or otherwise will usually be seated at the rear of the cabin where any damage caused to the seats is more easily repaired.

Bill.



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User currently offlineAirbusA6 From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2005, 2013 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (7 years 12 months 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 9175 times:

However, leather seats are more easily cleaned, which is why many LCCs have leather seats, even if they advertise them as a luxury item!

Maybe it's the people in the front of the plane who, ahem, soil their seats more  Wink



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User currently offlineLHR777 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (7 years 12 months 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 9137 times:

Quoting UAL777UK (Reply 3):
this is also the same on the Airbus and 757's

Maybe the 757's, but the Airbus fleet are all leather.


User currently offlineAlanUK From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (7 years 12 months 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 8896 times:

Soon only the 767 will have the rear cabin in fabric rather than leather. The 757s will be comdified to the new SpaceSaver seats, and that will mean the rear cabin will be changed to leather. No word on the 767s yet, I guess they don't have that much longer to go to warrant a cabin change.

The Airbus has always had leather seats throughout, even the old BCal ones!

Regards


User currently offline8herveg From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2006, 1198 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (7 years 12 months 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 8881 times:

Quoting AlanUK (Reply 9):
Soon only the 767 will have the rear cabin in fabric rather than leather. The 757s will be comdified to the new SpaceSaver seats, and that will mean the rear cabin will be changed to leather. No word on the 767s yet, I guess they don't have that much longer to go to warrant a cabin change.

The Airbus has always had leather seats throughout, even the old BCal ones!

Regards

Thankyou! The most decent answer I have had so far!! It is a shame the Europe fleet 767s don't have any plans of becoming and all leather cabin. You would have thought they would have 'dusked' ALL the 767s, even when the long-haul ones were being converted!!


User currently offlineAlanUK From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (7 years 12 months 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 8704 times:

Quoting 8herveg (Reply 10):
You would have thought they would have 'dusked' ALL the 767s, even when the long-haul ones were being converted!!

Dusk is only for long haul planes, as it means the installation of the Club World beds and World Traveller Plus, so short haul planes were never going to be dusked.

Personally, I think that the remaining short haul 767s will eventually be converted to long haul, so BA can expand its long haul network without buying new planes, until the new 777s are delivered in 2008. The arrival of more 320/321 will fill in the gap for the European network. That's just my guess though.


User currently offlinePavvyben From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2006, 178 posts, RR: 3
Reply 12, posted (7 years 12 months 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 8231 times:

Quoting AlanUK (Reply 11):
Personally, I think that the remaining short haul 767s will eventually be converted to long haul,

Yup, they are dusking all as all 767's are going long haul, they won't be operating any short-haul for BA soon. I think your also right in saying that buses are going to be taking over all euro routes. Should be interesting to see what the new club world seats (747 first, 767 last) are like and the new IFE (AVOD) Audio and Visual on Demand IFE which is being fitted to the 767 (G-BNWC first)

Hope that helps

Ben


User currently offlineRootsAir From Costa Rica, joined Feb 2005, 4186 posts, RR: 40
Reply 13, posted (7 years 12 months 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 8141 times:

Quoting AsstChiefMark (Reply 1):
IIRC, they put people with bladder control problems up front.

what a stupid useless comment
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User currently offline8herveg From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2006, 1198 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (7 years 12 months 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 7945 times:

Quoting AsstChiefMark (Reply 1):
IIRC

Sorry to be ignorant, but whats does that mean? Seen it in quite a few topic discussions on a.net.

Also, will the rest of the 767s really be converted to long-haul? I think its a brilliant idea by BA if they do, so they can fill in some of the niche markets available by other european airlines currently.

Before the 767s were dusked, what classes were available? Traveller, Traveller Plus and Club? Were the two former the same seats as they are now but just without PTVs?


User currently offline8herveg From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2006, 1198 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (7 years 12 months 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 7848 times:

Quoting Pavvyben (Reply 12):
Should be interesting to see what the new club world seats (747 first, 767 last) are like and the new IFE (AVOD) Audio and Visual on Demand IFE which is being fitted to the 767 (G-BNWC first)

I thought they were not going to put the New Club World seats on the 767s, because they have only just been dusked?


User currently offlineMCOflyer From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 8675 posts, RR: 16
Reply 16, posted (7 years 12 months 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 7098 times:

Quoting Pavvyben (Reply 12):
Yup, they are dusking all as all 767's are going long haul, they won't be operating any short-haul for BA soon. I think your also right in saying that buses are going to be taking over all euro routes. Should be interesting to see what the new club world seats (747 first, 767 last) are like and the new IFE (AVOD) Audio and Visual on Demand IFE which is being fitted to the 767 (G-BNWC first)

There was post on here already about the dusking of 767's. I believe the first dusking 767's will go on DTW route as a a-netter indicated in a prevous post.

MCOflyer



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User currently offlineRikkus67 From Canada, joined Jun 2000, 1647 posts, RR: 1
Reply 17, posted (7 years 12 months 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 6168 times:

8herveg...

IIRC = If I Remember Correctly

Kind Regards, Rik



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User currently offlineAlanUK From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 18, posted (7 years 12 months 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 6009 times:

Quoting MCOflyer (Reply 16):
There was post on here already about the dusking of 767's. I believe the first dusking 767's will go on DTW route as a a-netter indicated in a prevous post.



Quoting MCOflyer (Reply 16):
I believe the first dusking 767's will go on DTW route as a a-netter indicated in a prevous post.

I think there is some confusion here. All long haul 767s have been dusked already. The NEW Club World conversion is called "streched" (as supposed to Dusked). 767s are not going to get streched (no New Club World) because they have only just been dusked and it is widely expected that these aircraft will be retired within a few years.

Quoting 8herveg (Reply 14):
Before the 767s were dusked, what classes were available? Traveller, Traveller Plus and Club? Were the two former the same seats as they are now but just without PTVs?

Before the 767 were dusked, they were configured with First (8) Club World (Cradle seat) and World Traveller. Once dusked, First was removed, and the New Club World, World Traveller Plus seats were put in, and the World Traveller seats got the seat back screens added.

Regards


User currently offlineWrighbrothers From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2005, 1875 posts, RR: 9
Reply 19, posted (7 years 12 months 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 5065 times:

Quoting 8herveg (Thread starter):
travelled to Barcelona recently with BA, on one of their Euro fleet Boeing 767s. I noticed that the rear of the aircraft had cloth seats, and the front had leather.

What is the reason behind this? Will they eventually be changed to an all leather material? Is it like this on any of their other aircraft?

The true reason, is because when they were converted to leather seats, BA was in financial trouble, it would be too expensive for BA to convert all the seats to leather, so they decided that on the 757 and 767 fleet, they would leave the rear cabin with cloth seats, as they weren't convertible seats, and the airline would probably fill up from the front of the cabin, so to save money, they only converted club and the convertable cabin

There you go  Smile
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User currently offlineSK736 From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2006, 523 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (7 years 12 months 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 5006 times:
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Quoting 8herveg (Reply 10):
Thankyou! The most decent answer I have had so far!!

Well that's gratitude for you! Thanks for being so supportive of all the other people who took the time to respond to your post. Next time I won't bother!


User currently offlineLHR777 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 21, posted (7 years 12 months 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 4924 times:

Quoting Xxzz123 (Reply 6):
I also understand that potentially 'troublesome' pax - i.e. a party of kids or otherwise will usually be seated at the rear of the cabin where any damage caused to the seats is more easily repaired.

What? Where the hell did that come from??!! We never seat our customers on that basis!  Yeah sure


User currently offlineMD-90 From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 8507 posts, RR: 12
Reply 22, posted (7 years 12 months 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 4813 times:

"Dusked?" What does that mean?

User currently offlineAlanUK From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 23, posted (7 years 12 months 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 4786 times:

Quoting MD-90 (Reply 22):
"Dusked?" What does that mean?

As said before, "dusk" is the name given to the installation of the Club World beds from the previous Cradle seat, and the addition of the World Traveller Plus seats on the aircraft.

All 747/777/767 at BA are now dusked.


User currently offlineTrekster From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 24, posted (7 years 12 months 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 4779 times:

Quoting MD-90 (Reply 22):

Fitted for Long Haul flts, Club World, WTP and Y with seat back tv's as noted above


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