MAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 31118 posts, RR: 74 Posted (6 years 8 months 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 4861 times:
American Airlines will begin a fourth daily flight between Miami and Sao Paulo effective 13 December 2006. The current daily daylight flight number will move to a new redeye schedule, as already known, but the daylight flight will remain with a different flight number. AA's Miami-Sao Paulo schedule will be:
AA 2943 MIA 1205-2325 GRU 763 xMoWe
AA 907 MIA 0800-0715+1 GRU 763
AA 929 MIA 2200-0915+1 GRU 763
AA 995 MIA 2320-1025+1 GRU 772
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AA 998 GRU 0045-0600 MIA 763
AA 930 GRU 0130-0645 MIA 763
AA 2944 GRU 1245-1830 MIA 763 xMoWe
AA 906 GRU 2325-0430+1 MIA 772
AA will offer a total of 26 non-stop flights a week between Miami and Sao Paulo and 14 between Miami and Rio de Janeiro, in addition to daily service from Dallas and New York City to Sao Paulo, and a daily Sao Paulo-Rio de Janeiro feeder flight.
This year, AA will be offering more long-haul flights between Miami and deep South America than ever before, including 14 weekly non-stop flights to Buenos Aires, 12 to La Paz/Santa Cruz, 10 to Santiago de Chile, and 3 to Montevideo.
Sampa737 From Brazil, joined May 2005, 637 posts, RR: 1 Reply 2, posted (6 years 8 months 1 day ago) and read 4762 times:
The 907 flight. You have listed leaving MIA at 8am getting into GRU at 7:15am. Do you mean 19:15? I hope they keep the dayflight and move it to daily on both sides of the equator.
Commavia From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 10192 posts, RR: 62 Reply 5, posted (6 years 8 months 23 hours ago) and read 4622 times:
Quoting Ssides (Reply 3): They couldn't give DFW another international flight?
They tried that; it didn't work out. DFW can't support more Brazil flights because it wrecks the yields. The second DFW-GRU flight worked so-so because they were able to load the plane up with cargo, which AA loved, but the passenger loads were fairly light and they scimmed the higher yields off the original DFW flight. AA is better off putting any additional Brazil-bound capacity into MIA because at least there they can head off some of the yield issues by balancing it with the unparalleled O&D traffic MIA can generate.
Jfk777 From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 7347 posts, RR: 7 Reply 7, posted (6 years 8 months 20 hours ago) and read 4398 times:
I'm still waiting for the return of the flight to Barranquilla, shallow Latin America. I'm sick of Avianca. Per this board, AA has not used all their allocation to Colombia.
MAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 31118 posts, RR: 74 Reply 9, posted (6 years 8 months 18 hours ago) and read 4279 times:
Quoting Jfk777 (Reply 7): I'm still waiting for the return of the flight to Barranquilla, shallow Latin America. I'm sick of Avianca. Per this board, AA has not used all their allocation to Colombia.
I believe AA owes ex-employees in BAQ a good sum of money, and can't return without paying off those debts. Similar case to Tel Aviv, smaller scale.
Quoting BigGSFO (Reply 8): Is this seasonal or permanent?
The slot exemptions, as with Delta's, were granted temporairily. If Varig isn't flying to MIA again by the end of the winter, than ANAC might want to extend the exemption.
MAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 31118 posts, RR: 74 Reply 11, posted (6 years 8 months 16 hours ago) and read 4178 times:
Quoting Flyguy1 (Reply 10): Did AA win additional rights to JFK as well?
No, they never applied. It was expected they would, but they only asked for extra Miami flights. TAM is going double daily to JFK-GRU in December (and 4x daily to Miami in early 2007) more than making up for lost capacity by Varig, who I think will probably be back at MIA, and later JFK, within 6-8 months.
LGAtoIND From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 490 posts, RR: 1 Reply 12, posted (6 years 8 months 16 hours ago) and read 4141 times:
Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 9): I believe AA owes ex-employees in BAQ a good sum of money, and can't return without paying off those debts. Similar case to Tel Aviv, smaller scale.
Would AA ever start DFW/MIA-TLV if this was resolved? Seems like a huge opportunity there.
MAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 31118 posts, RR: 74 Reply 16, posted (6 years 8 months 15 hours ago) and read 4044 times:
Quoting BigGSFO (Reply 15):
Really? TAM is going to serve MIA-GRU 4 times a day by 2007? That's a lot of capcity between the two cities.
Only 13 of the 28 flights are non-stop from Sao Paulo. TAM currently flies MIA-GRU 13x weekly, MIA-SSA-GRU 1x weekly, and MIA-MAO-REC-FOR 7x weekly. They will be adding seven weekly MIA-GIG flights in early 2007.
BigGSFO From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 2755 posts, RR: 7 Reply 17, posted (6 years 8 months 15 hours ago) and read 4025 times:
Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 16): Only 13 of the 28 flights are non-stop from Sao Paulo. TAM currently flies MIA-GRU 13x weekly, MIA-SSA-GRU 1x weekly, and MIA-MAO-REC-FOR 7x weekly. They will be adding seven weekly MIA-GIG flights in early 2007.
Ah, thanks. Very nice. TAM and AA are definitley going to try and lock the Miami-Brazil market down.
Kanebear From United States of America, joined May 2002, 953 posts, RR: 2 Reply 18, posted (6 years 8 months 15 hours ago) and read 4019 times:
Due to the TWA situation I don't think you'll ever see SA)">AA in TLV without some major concessions on the Israeli side. IIRC if any SA)">AA metal lands in Israel it will be impounded.
Back on topic: MIA-GRU can certainly handle the fourth frequency. Can't tell you how many times I go looking for a seat on that route and cannot find ANYTHING in J. For a while I was doing 930 (the daytime GRU-MIA) about once a month and I can't ever recall having an open seat in J. Obviously that doesn't take into consideration NRSA travel but the two times I was chatting to an FA and asked, once I was told no one up front was an SA and the second time I was told no NRSA pax made it on. Both times I was told it was an EXTREMELY difficult route to get on.
LipeGIG From Brazil, joined May 2005, 11201 posts, RR: 61 Reply 22, posted (6 years 8 months 13 hours ago) and read 3853 times:
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Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 9): The slot exemptions, as with Delta's, were granted temporairily. If Varig isn't flying to MIA again by the end of the winter, than ANAC might want to extend the exemption.
Very right, ANAC is really trying to keep the same level as past year plus 15% increase in seat offer. Without RG services to JFK (use to be 10x weekly) and to MIA (13x weekly), they allowed DL and AA. And there are rumors of more activity from DL.... they are trying a flight to the northeast ex-bilateral.
Quoting BigGSFO (Reply 17): Ah, thanks. Very nice. TAM and AA are definitley going to try and lock the Miami-Brazil market down.
With a US$ 904 lower fare on GRU-MIA and US$ 1,174 on GIG-MIA, they are loving Miami-Brazil (even better with oil at $ 60's). To see how this market is important, GIG-JFK at AA keep the lower fare at US$ 1,145 ! Demand for Miami is really amazing !!!
Felipe
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Hardiwv From Brazil, joined Oct 2004, 8780 posts, RR: 52 Reply 23, posted (6 years 7 months 4 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 3623 times:
Quoting LipeGIG (Reply 22): With a US$ 904 lower fare on GRU-MIA and US$ 1,174 on GIG-MIA, they are loving Miami-Brazil (even better with oil at $ 60's).
The most important factor is that GRU commands Biz and First Class seats. The lower fare in Economy is just an extra value-added...
LipeGIG From Brazil, joined May 2005, 11201 posts, RR: 61 Reply 24, posted (6 years 7 months 4 weeks ago) and read 3534 times:
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Quoting Hardiwv (Reply 23): The most important factor is that GRU commands Biz and First Class seats. The lower fare in Economy is just an extra value-added...
Fares are the same for business from Rio or Sao Paulo. Y fares were just mentioned to clarify demand and if you use the last 20 seats on Y i would never say "extra value-added", AA charges more than US$ 3,000 for a Full Y nowadays (use to be US$ 1,800).
Felipe
New York + Rio de Janeiro = One of the best combinations !
Hardiwv From Brazil, joined Oct 2004, 8780 posts, RR: 52 Reply 25, posted (6 years 7 months 4 weeks ago) and read 3512 times:
Quoting LipeGIG (Reply 24): Fares are the same for business from Rio or Sao Paulo.
...but GRU sell much more seats in both biz and first. This explains the over-supply of Y seats in GRU for some routes, although currently there is no over-supply to GRU in any class.
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