Sponsor Message:
Civil Aviation Forum
My Starred Topics | Profile | New Topic | Forum Index | Help | Search 
Why No CO EWR - GUM?  
User currently offlineCessna057 From United States of America, joined Sep 2006, 439 posts, RR: 1
Posted (8 years 2 months 3 weeks 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 3628 times:

I asked this in USAviation and did not get the response I was looking for. I also did a search on old forums and came up with nothing. So here it goes.

If CO has a hub/focus city in GUM, why don't they start a direct there from EWR or even IAH? It would make sense so that travelers could get to many different cities in Asia through CO.


Hold it . . . Hold it . . . HOLD THE FREAKIN NOSE UP!!
12 replies: All unread, jump to last
 
User currently offlineTymnBalewne From Bermuda, joined Mar 2005, 953 posts, RR: 1
Reply 1, posted (8 years 2 months 3 weeks 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 3624 times:

CO flight 1 is IAH-HNL-GUM

CO flight 7 is IAH-NRT-GUM

C.

[Edited 2006-09-26 05:03:32]


Dewmanair...begins with Dew
User currently offline102IAHexpress From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 1156 posts, RR: 3
Reply 2, posted (8 years 2 months 3 weeks 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 3593 times:

Welcome to Anet Cessna057  Smile

Quoting Cessna057 (Thread starter):
why don't they start a direct there from EWR or even IAH?

Actually CO does fly a direct route from IAH to GUM via HNL.
As for non stop service from IAH; it's just not going to happen in the short term. CO simply does not have the widebodies.


User currently onlineLAXdude1023 From India, joined Sep 2006, 7807 posts, RR: 25
Reply 3, posted (8 years 2 months 3 weeks 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 3583 times:

Quoting Cessna057 (Thread starter):
If CO has a hub/focus city in GUM, why don't they start a direct there from EWR

Will never happen, they dont have the expendable equipment for it. The best they can do is with their EWR-HNL flight that can connect to their flight from HNL-GUM that originates in IAH.



Stewed...Lewd...Crude...Irreverent...Belligerent
User currently offlineLonghornmaniac From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 3355 posts, RR: 45
Reply 4, posted (8 years 2 months 3 weeks 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 3570 times:

Quoting Cessna057 (Thread starter):
I asked this in USAviation and did not get the response I was looking for. I also did a search on old forums and came up with nothing. So here it goes.

If CO has a hub/focus city in GUM, why don't they start a direct there from EWR or even IAH? It would make sense so that travelers could get to many different cities in Asia through CO.

Hey! Welcome to A.net!

The best reason I can think of is the lack of a market for a non-stop (just a friendly reminder, as you'll more often than not get called on it, a non-stop flight is just that, a non-stop flight, a direct flight, on the otherhand, can stop in places, just not change planes, so CO actually does have direct flights from IAH-GUM via NRT and HNL). I would imagine that the market from the States nonstop to Guam is fairly small, and it's not really any major inconvenience to stop over in HNL.

Bottom line, the market from anywhere in the US (but especially the far northeast, i.e. the only places where it would be logical to connect in EWR vs. IAH) to GUM or the cities it serves is not worth the use of widebody equipment (not to mention it's probably too long, at 7950 miles) to get them there nonstop, when more than likely you can do it in two (IAH, HNL/NRT) or maybe three if you're connecting to somewhere beyond GUM. EWR also has a nonstop to NRT, so you can connect just through NRT if you're going to GUM, or GUM as well if your going someplace that Micronesia flys.

Hope this helps, and once again, welcome!

Cheers,
Cameron


User currently offlineCessna057 From United States of America, joined Sep 2006, 439 posts, RR: 1
Reply 5, posted (8 years 2 months 3 weeks 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 3570 times:

Thanks for the help (and welcoming Smile) you guys.


Hold it . . . Hold it . . . HOLD THE FREAKIN NOSE UP!!
User currently offlineJetBlueAtJFK From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 1687 posts, RR: 3
Reply 6, posted (8 years 2 months 3 weeks 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 3530 times:

That would be a very long flight too. But there probably isn't a large enough market to support it. How does their GUM-HNL and NRT flights do?

B6jfk airplane 



When You Know jetBlue, You Know Better
User currently onlineCOSPN From Northern Mariana Islands, joined Oct 2001, 1651 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (8 years 2 months 3 weeks 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 3521 times:

LAX-GUM would probably be the route, but GUM runway is a bit short now (construction is underway) LAX is a major gateway for Military and Other pax bound for Guam and Micronesia, and MNL from all over the US, many use other carriers to get to LAX.. GUM-HNL is the main feed for HNL-LAX, CO is the only non-stop service via HNL to GUM ..NW and CO have flights via Japan, but many Military and Guam PAX do not have passports and the CO flights work well for them..many pax interline connect in HNL and NRT bound for GUM

User currently offline102IAHexpress From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 1156 posts, RR: 3
Reply 8, posted (8 years 2 months 3 weeks 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 3404 times:

Quoting Cessna057 (Reply 5):


These links should also help.  wave 

Why No Continental GUM-US Mainland? (by Flyf15 Feb 7 2001 in Civil Aviation)
CO IAH/EWR-GUM Nonstop? (by Whiskeyhotel Aug 28 2004 in Civil Aviation)
GUM To US Mainland (by LPLAspotter Jul 11 2006 in Civil Aviation)


User currently offlineMax Q From United States of America, joined May 2001, 4778 posts, RR: 19
Reply 9, posted (8 years 2 months 3 weeks 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 3303 times:

The arrival of the 787 will make EWR-GUM and IAH-GUM extremely viable routes.

This aircraft will truly change everthing.



The best contribution to safety is a competent Pilot.
User currently offlineBAW716 From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 2028 posts, RR: 27
Reply 10, posted (8 years 2 months 3 weeks 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 3274 times:

Simple answer.
a) not enough traffic to justify a 777-200ER, which is the only aircraft that CO has that can operate it and
b) the route planning for EWR-GUM would be a nightmare; 207 min ETOPS is an absolute requirement, I think, to make that route work.

baw716



David L. Lamb, fmr Area Mgr Alitalia SFO 1998-2002, fmr Regional Analyst SFO-UAL 1992-1998
User currently offlineCessna057 From United States of America, joined Sep 2006, 439 posts, RR: 1
Reply 11, posted (8 years 2 months 3 weeks 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 3196 times:

Quoting BAW716 (Reply 10):
b) the route planning for EWR-GUM would be a nightmare; 207 min ETOPS is an absolute requirement, I think, to make that route work.

Why would the ETOPS be 207 minutes?

[Edited 2006-09-26 12:51:07]


Hold it . . . Hold it . . . HOLD THE FREAKIN NOSE UP!!
User currently onlineCOSPN From Northern Mariana Islands, joined Oct 2001, 1651 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (8 years 2 months 3 weeks 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 3176 times:

Yes E tops not the Problem Just EWR-NRT with IWO (Iwo Jima) and SPN as alternates..its Departure length runway in GUM (2 Short for Max payload)

Top Of Page
Forum Index

This topic is archived and can not be replied to any more.

Printer friendly format

Similar topics:More similar topics...
CO- Why No PNS-EWR? posted Sat Sep 23 2006 20:58:54 by 727LOVER
Why No MFE-EWR Service On CO? posted Thu Aug 25 2005 16:14:27 by MFEFlyer
Why No CO 767-300ER's? posted Wed Jun 22 2005 13:09:29 by Ewr756
Why No AA NRT-GUM? posted Sun Oct 31 2004 10:03:16 by AASuper83
Why No CO, DL, US @ Heathrow posted Sat Apr 17 2004 21:54:25 by M&m
Why No JFK/EWR-LHR-AMD Flights? posted Fri Dec 19 2003 22:31:13 by Cloud4000
Why No CO 767-200ER Pics? posted Fri Dec 8 2000 15:19:06 by ContinentalEWR
Why No EWR Or IAH To BUR On CO? posted Wed Nov 22 2006 03:28:19 by COEWRNJ
CO GUM Hub, Why No Nonstops To Mainland? posted Sun Sep 12 2004 03:11:03 by 727Stretch
Why No GSO-CLE On CO? posted Tue Aug 23 2005 23:37:29 by UncGSO