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Aerolineas Argentinas Fleet Announcement Today?  
User currently offlineArgentina From Argentina, joined Aug 2000, 372 posts, RR: 12
Posted (7 years 6 months 3 weeks 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 6699 times:

According to local press, AR will announce new investment plan today (Tuesday), including planes, spares and engines. I read this in local paper LA NACION, Saturday 23rd, edition
It says fleet will go from 52 to 77 aircraft.

Here is the link in spanish:
http://www.lanacion.com.ar/economia/....asp?nota_id=842909&origen=ranking

Also, the article mentions that AR has signed an agreement with AA for flights to JFK.

I got no more data than this source, anyone can confirm?

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User currently offlineJustapassenger From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 95 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (7 years 6 months 3 weeks 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 6595 times:

As I read the article, AR will stop flying MIA-JFK and put its passengers on an AA flight from MIA to JKF instead. They only have 40 passengers continuing on to NY and the cost of fuel is prohibitive. When they get their new planes, they will fly again to New York.

User currently offlineKappel From Suriname, joined Jul 2005, 3533 posts, RR: 17
Reply 2, posted (7 years 6 months 3 weeks 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 6595 times:

Are they still going to take delivery of their a346's? Delivery has been postponed a couple of times. Perhaps they will convert them to 350-1000's (what a stupid name, why not a350-300 or something). I don't know how old their 742's are, but my guess is they could use a replacement.


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User currently offlineJustapassenger From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 95 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (7 years 6 months 3 weeks 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 6573 times:

It is interesting that LAN Argentina just announced a planned major domestic and international expansion too.

Lan Argentina To Add 35 New Routes (by LIPZ Sep 26 2006 in Civil Aviation)

[Edited 2006-09-26 12:00:11]

User currently offlineZKNBX From New Zealand, joined Jul 2006, 464 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (7 years 6 months 3 weeks 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 6507 times:

AR need to get their act together or they are going to get completely obliterated by LAN. AR have 2 flights per week from EZE to AKL and SYD - operated by A342 (compared to newcomer LAN who now flies 6 x weekly SCL-AKL-SYD v/v with A343); LAN nearly always operate through to SYD on the tasman, but AR seem to cancel their AKL-SYD sector with alarming regularity (!). I suspect this is because of low loadings...

User currently offlineGabo787 From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2006, 152 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (7 years 6 months 3 weeks 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 6376 times:

They need to put all their planes in flying conditions first, then I will believe new fleet announcements.
Anyway I'm sure that they will keep bringing 735 and maybe more A310 as new fleet.


User currently offlineLVICS From Argentina, joined Aug 2006, 86 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (7 years 6 months 3 weeks 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 6285 times:

I'm not very familiar with this, but isn't it weird to make a formal announcement "We'll buy spare parts for the aircrafts we operate"?

User currently offlineLanas From Argentina, joined Aug 2006, 978 posts, RR: 13
Reply 7, posted (7 years 6 months 3 weeks 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 6137 times:

Quoting ZKNBX (Reply 4):
completely obliterated by LAN

It´s different. You can say that if you compared two airlines operating from the same country, fulfilling the same needs.
LAN nowadays is more powerful than AR, but I´m positive that better days will come.

Quoting LVICS (Reply 6):
but isn't it weird to make a formal announcement "We'll buy spare parts for the aircrafts we operate"?

Absolutely. Keeping the airplanes in good shape is what they´re supposed to do, so it´s kind of a joke that they make such an announcement.

Cheers!
Lanas.-



"Faithless is he that says farewell when the road darkens." J.R.R. Tolkien
User currently offlineA388 From Netherlands Antilles, joined May 2001, 9564 posts, RR: 11
Reply 8, posted (7 years 6 months 3 weeks 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 5889 times:

Quoting Kappel (Reply 2):
Are they still going to take delivery of their a346's?

AFAIK the AR A346 order has been cancelled all together but I'm 100 % sure. In any way AR will not take delivery of those A346's especially now that they use the 744. I see AR adding more A330s instead of larger aircraft for the time being. Who knows the A350XWB will become an attractive replacement for the entire AR longhaul fleet in about 5-7 years.

A388


User currently offlineAerorobNZ From Rwanda, joined Feb 2001, 6900 posts, RR: 13
Reply 9, posted (7 years 6 months 3 weeks 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 5832 times:

Quoting ZKNBX (Reply 4):
I suspect this is because of low loadings...

You suspect incorrectly. Loadings are very good Transtasman. It is cancelled due to lack of aircraft. They just want to turn the aircraft around as quickly as they can to EZE so they can use the aircraft elsewhere. The addition of 3 A343s soon should help to ease the fleet issues somewhat. I'm not sure if they're a temp measure or what.


User currently offlineZKNBX From New Zealand, joined Jul 2006, 464 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (7 years 6 months 3 weeks 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 5710 times:

Quoting AerorobNZ (Reply 9):
You suspect incorrectly. Loadings are very good Transtasman. It is cancelled due to lack of aircraft. They just want to turn the aircraft around as quickly as they can to EZE

Then why is the a/c on the ground in Auckland from about 6 a.m. until 4.15pm when it heads back to EZE?


User currently offlineJfk777 From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 8090 posts, RR: 7
Reply 11, posted (7 years 6 months 3 weeks 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 5550 times:
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I'm happy AR is finally getting more airplanes, but which ones? Are they long Haul or Short haul? Too many questions; too few answers.

User currently offlineZKNBX From New Zealand, joined Jul 2006, 464 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (7 years 6 months 3 weeks 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 5255 times:

So what happened to the announcement? Another AR non-event rumour? Would be really nice to see some serious action from AR for once.

User currently offlineAerorobnz From Rwanda, joined Feb 2001, 6900 posts, RR: 13
Reply 13, posted (7 years 6 months 3 weeks 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 5234 times:

Quoting ZKNBX (Reply 10):
Then why is the a/c on the ground in Auckland from about 6 a.m. until 4.15pm when it heads back to EZE?

It isn't. as per this Sunday, they arrive late from EZE at say 1300-1400, and depart at 1615 for EZE


User currently offlineZKNBX From New Zealand, joined Jul 2006, 464 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (7 years 6 months 3 weeks 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 5216 times:

So the "cancelled" on the Sydney portion (see AKL arrivals etc) is simply indicative of the fact that it is a recent change, and passengers for Sydney presumably find seats on NZ, EK, and QF - all of which have services in the afternoon / early evening to Sydney. This can't be helping AR to maintain their presence in the market.

User currently offlineGusNYC From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 143 posts, RR: 5
Reply 15, posted (7 years 6 months 3 weeks 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 5087 times:

I wonder how Aerolineas will pay for those planes.

I can't imagine orders for new Airbus 350. I would say they could afford some old 763 to fill up the gaps they have now in their fleet.

I think the 310 is too big and too costly to operate for regional routes and too small for longer flights, like Miami.

G


User currently offlineLTU932 From Germany, joined Jan 2006, 13864 posts, RR: 50
Reply 16, posted (7 years 6 months 3 weeks 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 5084 times:

Quoting A388 (Reply 8):
AFAIK the AR A346 order has been cancelled all together but I'm 100 % sure.

If I recall correctly, the AR A346 order has been deferred "indefinitely".


User currently offlineArgentina From Argentina, joined Aug 2000, 372 posts, RR: 12
Reply 17, posted (7 years 6 months 3 weeks 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 5026 times:

Today (Thursday) all newspapers -digital versions in spanish- in Argentina tell about a meeting between AR shareholders and President Kirchner. They are now at Casa Rosada announcing the incorporation of 37 aircraft, 14 of those arriving before year end, and to be deployed in domestic/regional routes mostly. They say the investment plan reachs USD 1000 M.

Some other sources (Ambito Financiero paper) mentions an all Airbus fleet in 3 years, indicating B747 and B737 will be sold or redelivered to lessors. I will try to confirm these versions and keep you posted.


User currently offlineTBCITDG From Australia, joined Jan 2004, 921 posts, RR: 3
Reply 18, posted (7 years 6 months 3 weeks 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 5008 times:

I know that AR have failed to deliver on so many of it's promises, yet they did keep the renewal program of the 732's alive.

Also, one of the only reasons LA is able to serve SYD/AKL is largely thanks to QF. Remember how success full the AR/QF code share was? Well the same thing for LA. Most of the seats sold on LA are that of QF!
LA has the advantage of been a OneWorld member and so can benefit from feeder traffic from all of Australia and New Zealand. Something AR has not been able to do. I am not taking anything away from LA success, but all these things must be taken into consideration.


User currently offlineMIAMIx707 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 19, posted (7 years 6 months 3 weeks 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 4949 times:

LAN is a company with setups in Peru, Ecuador, (Dom. Republic which I guess didn't work) and now Argentina.. possibly Brazil soon. A company that has capitalized on the lack of long haul international air service by the carriers of those countries. A company with monopolistic intentions that is well-managed.

The rest of the continent's carriers such as AArgentinas will have a tough time competing. If airlines in S. America don't get it together it's gonna be LAN SouthAmerica in a few years  Sad  Smile

A few questions..

Will a slightly more efficient fleet make that much difference in AR? It seems the ordering of A346s was a poor idea. Meanwhile LAN for example, does it with 767s, and a few A343s. Does the part thing mean the'll pull some of the classic 747s back in service?

Is the company no longer under the Marsans group?

Could we expect a fresh, new corporate image soon?


User currently offlineLanas From Argentina, joined Aug 2006, 978 posts, RR: 13
Reply 20, posted (7 years 6 months 3 weeks 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 4848 times:

Quoting Argentina (Reply 17):
B747 and B737 will be sold or redelivered to lessors

I don´t think so. That was said about the 747s when all the A330 deal came up. But I see it very unlikely. Regarding the 737s, first all the 200s must go and upgrade all fleet to 500s. All of AR's short haul operations handle Boeing material (also for spare parts, maintenance, etc) so I believe it will be pretty hard, economically speaking, to change the platform from Boeing to Airbus.

Quoting MIAMIx707 (Reply 19):
it's gonna be LAN SouthAmerica in a few years

Not by any chance. LAN is pretty absent in the Argentine market, for starters. It´s gonna take a while before that happens, and besides, LAN´s planes aren´t always full, as far as I know, and their loads are very comparable to the ones of AR´s aircraft (on the routes they share, of course).

Quoting MIAMIx707 (Reply 19):
Is the company no longer under the Marsans group?



Quoting MIAMIx707 (Reply 19):
new corporate image soon?

It is still under the Marsans group, but now the Argentine state has a bigger share of it.

Quoting MIAMIx707 (Reply 19):
Does the part thing mean the'll pull some of the classic 747s back in service?

No, they´ll be used for backup, as far as I know.

Cheers!
Lanas.-



"Faithless is he that says farewell when the road darkens." J.R.R. Tolkien
User currently offlineJfk777 From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 8090 posts, RR: 7
Reply 21, posted (7 years 6 months 3 weeks 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 4828 times:
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AR needs help, I wonder if the people in madrid care and give a dam? Everything in Argentina was sold in the early 1990's to mostly Spanish firms, they wrote many things off and never looked back. This is AR's second trip to the Spansih Spin cycle.

User currently offlineRenton_WA From United States of America, joined May 2002, 95 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (7 years 6 months 3 weeks 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 4793 times:

Crazy, believe it when I see it, news...

Sorry only in Spanish

http://www.lagaceta.com.ar/vernota.a..._seccion=9&seccion=&id_nota=176582
This article above states that within 3 years Aerolineas will go to an all Airbus fleet.

The one below from La Nacion states that AR will acquire 37 "new" aircraft progressively until 2009, US$ 1000 millon investment, but no specific models mentioned.
http://www.lanacion.com.ar/844447

We'll see.

Thoughts? Speculations?
10 330-200 that have been mentioned before with the Marsan order, plus?

Maybe some A380?!  Yeah sure  rotfl   rotfl 


User currently offlineJj From Algeria, joined Jun 2001, 1227 posts, RR: 2
Reply 23, posted (7 years 6 months 3 weeks 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 4733 times:

Believe it when I see it. Just as I said that it's virtually impossible for LAN Arg to start 35 new routes, I honestly can't see AR incorporating 14 aircraft before year's end. Really. And an all airbus fleet, meaning that all 737's and MD's will be retired? Come on, you're talking more than 40 airplanes replaced in the next 2-3 years. It's plausible, but when you factor in that we're talking about AR, this sounds more like a dream than anything else.

I hope I'm wrong though!


User currently offlineGusNYC From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 143 posts, RR: 5
Reply 24, posted (7 years 6 months 3 weeks 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 4613 times:

I totally agree with Jj.

Imagine if they can buy so many planes, when at the same time they are announcing as an achivement that they will be buying spare parts...

Sueños de grandeza...


25 Argentina : This is confirmed: 4 "additional" MD83's (for AU) are scheduled to be in the fleet by year end. MSN being: 49906 - Operating now in Air Plus Comet (ne
26 Post contains links Fyano773 : Reading this article in América Economía magazine: Aerolíneas Argentinas invertirá US$ 1.000 M hasta 2009 AR will add 14 planes before year end: 5
27 Argentina : The announcements made last week are best understood if we read them as follows (according to El Mensajero Magazine): Evolution of "Active" Fleet peri
28 TBCITDG : Thank you for clearing all that up Argentina. It does make more sense now. I for one think that the plan can be achieved.
29 Lanas : Good report, Argentina. What looks strangest to me is the addition of an A320 fleet. I insist, I don´t know how convenient it will be to add the Airb
30 FlyDeltaJets : Is AR still serving JFK as I have not seen them in a couple of weeks. The last time I saw them is when someone on this board asked the same question I
31 LVICS : No, they are not serving NYC at the present time. IIRC, they stopped flying there about one month ago.
32 LVZXV : I'm including those that are out of service (2) or flying for Air Plus Comet (2), but of AR's 5 surviving 742s, two date from 1979 (EC-JDH, LV-MLR),
33 EZEIZA : apparently 10 A330's of the 12 that marsans ordered should go to AR. It's Marsans, not AR. But now that the govt' has a major share in AR maybe they
34 MCOflyer : I'm sure everyone will agree that AR needs new planes very quickly. The 735's do a good job on short haul sectors. Argentina, Will the A320's be power
35 GusNYC : Does it make any sense for an airline with a relatively small fleet to have so many different planes and models? What about fleet commonality? Isn't t
36 Lanas : I see your point, that´s why the announcement of the A320s sounds pretty awkward to me. Better have an all Boeing fleet for AR, that eventually beco
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