KrisYYZ From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Posted (6 years 8 months 3 weeks 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 9815 times:
I just received a fleet update from YYZNEWS.CA, thank you Mr. Dunn.
According to the updated info, AC will be receiving its first B777-333ER in Mar07 followed by one aircraft per month April- July 2007; the May aircraft will be the leased one from IFLC which will make it 5 B773ER in 2007, a 6th B773ER will be delivered in March 2008???
6 B772LR will be arriving starting June 2007 and ending in February 2008, with the freighter coming in 2009.
AC also appears to be returning some B763ER in the coming months and some A343X's by early 2007.
I am very interested in seeing the way AC handles the fleet transition. I believe AC is planning on building maintenance facilities for the B787s in YYZ, where will the T7s be based? I would imagine YYZ will see the majority of the initial B777 flights.
Yyz717 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 1, posted (6 years 8 months 3 weeks 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 9659 times:
Hey Kris, thanks for posting this info. Looks like a very concentrated 777 delivery schedule.
Quoting KrisYYZ (Thread starter): AC also appears to be returning some B763ER in the coming months and some A343X's by early 2007.
This week's aerotransport.org newsletter reports that 2 of the AC 343's will be delivered to LAN Chile in early 2007. No indication of tail #'s but both will be 313X models (8 of the 10 AC 343's are this model).
KrisYYZ From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 2, posted (6 years 8 months 3 weeks 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 9619 times:
Quoting Yyz717 (Reply 1): This week's aerotransport.org newsletter reports that 2 of the AC 343's will be delivered to LAN Chile in early 2007. No indication of tail #'s but both will be 313X models (8 of the 10 AC 343's are this model).
It would make sense that the 313X models would be easier to find new operators for, I wonder what will happen to the -313,-312 models.
C-FYKX and FYLC will be the ones leaving the fleet.
Multimark From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 5, posted (6 years 8 months 3 weeks 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 9319 times:
I've been wondering for a while if the 777 is really "too much plane" for AC. Do they really need the increase seats over an A330/340? I realize the T7 is a more efficient plane, but even if it's flying around with a lot of empty seats?
Spyderz From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 6, posted (6 years 8 months 3 weeks 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 9195 times:
YVR will definately see 777's. Most probably they'll -300ER's put on the HKG and NRT routes. In fact, in the original order for the aircraft, the press release stated that YVR-NRT would be the first route to receive the 777's. Who knows if that will materialze though. YVR though will probably be a major 787 base for Air Canada though.
Threepoint From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 7, posted (6 years 8 months 3 weeks 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 9158 times:
Quoting Multimark (Reply 5): I've been wondering for a while if the 777 is really "too much plane" for AC. Do they really need the increase seats over an A330/340? I realize the T7 is a more efficient plane, but even if it's flying around with a lot of empty seats?
In an abbreviated reply to each of your points:
No.
Apparently, yes.
I doubt the load factor will be significantly different than it is today.
Swissy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 8, posted (6 years 8 months 3 weeks 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 9068 times:
Quoting Multimark (Reply 5): I've been wondering for a while if the 777 is really "too much plane" for AC. Do they really need the increase seats over an A330/340? I realize the T7 is a more efficient plane, but even if it's flying around with a lot of empty seats?
You have a point and it is a good question, but only time will tell
Even a T7 will not make money if there are not enough pax on board...... and do not forget filling more seats is one thing and I guess the seat sale is just getting bigger too....
I am looking forward once AC received all their new metal so we can see how that totally new fleet will work for them in regard of load factor/profit
Jfk777 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 9, posted (6 years 8 months 3 weeks 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 9044 times:
Given Ac and Candian operated 744 to NRT, LHR and Hong Kong I don't think a 773ER is TOO much airplane for AC. Was the A343 enough airplane? probably not.
I would agree with that.
It will be a good time of year for the first ones to come just prior to the summer season with more passengers. These new craft will also allow for pax expansion on the current long and heavy route structure.
FLYACYYZ From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 11, posted (6 years 8 months 3 weeks 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 9025 times:
Quoting Multimark (Reply 5): I've been wondering for a while if the 777 is really "too much plane" for AC. Do they really need the increase seats over an A330/340? I realize the T7 is a more efficient plane, but even if it's flying around with a lot of empty seats?
Unequivocally...NO. AC has had record load factors for years now. 777LR capacity is virtually identical to the A340-500, which it will replace on HKG, and will beef up available business class seating on heavy demand routes on the A340-300 from 30 to 42 seats. The 777-300 will be deployed on heavy capacity routes such as LHR/FRA/NRT, and filling seats will not be an issue.
Swissy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 12, posted (6 years 8 months 3 weeks 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 9013 times:
Quoting Jfk777 (Reply 9): Given Ac and Candian operated 744 to NRT, LHR and Hong Kong I don't think a 773ER is TOO much airplane for AC. Was the A343 enough airplane? probably not.
I guess if they made so much money and yield was good, they still would have them....., however the T7/787 is a strong combination and gives them a very flexible utilization
B741 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 15, posted (6 years 8 months 3 weeks 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 7541 times:
To BOE773,
Even if AC only used them at YYZ, then YVR would not get any overflights. Unless then if a YYZ-HNL route opened. Overflights are routed generally thru YEG, ANC direction. I do believe that the 777 is way too much plane for AC at this precise moment, even if AC is an industry innovator.
MCOflyer From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 16, posted (6 years 8 months 3 weeks 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 7456 times:
Quoting B741 (Reply 15): I do believe that the 777 is way too much plane for AC at this precise moment, even if AC is an industry innovator.
I disagree. The 777 is perfect for routes to LHR, FRA and HKG. This frees up additonal aircraft. In this case its 767's that can be used to upgrade current routes that need upgrading.
Carpethead From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 17, posted (6 years 8 months 3 weeks 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 7223 times:
Not to mention is 773ER's much greater cargo carrying capability over anything AC flies now.
Even with lower load factors, if yield & revenue can be increased on the pax side and extra revenue generated by cargo would more than pay for the aircraft. The aircraft is ideal for long-range markets over the Pacific (eg. YVR/YYZ-NRT & HKG).
Warren747sp From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 18, posted (6 years 8 months 3 weeks 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 7014 times:
I really doubt most passenger will miss the A340 especially the A343 after experiencing the 777 experience. There is no comparison particularly taking off on a ultra long haul flight and subsequent climb to cruising.
BOE773 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 19, posted (6 years 8 months 3 weeks 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 6789 times:
Finally a North American airline running -300s.
Another interesting note; when the A330s depart, this will be the end of Rolls Royce powered aircraft for Air Canada which has been a RR operator for many years.
Scotland1979 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 22, posted (6 years 8 months 3 weeks 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 5646 times:
Can't wait to see 777s. Hopefully 6 777s will be painted Canadian NHL team Logo each just like the one you saw US Airways A319 painted NFL Philadelphia Eagles
LH477 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 23, posted (6 years 8 months 3 weeks 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 4536 times:
Any of the AC insiders know when the 773 will be put on the YYZ-LHR route? I am off to London at the end of March/07, would love to try out the triple seven, although both 343 and 333 are fav's.
Candid76 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 24, posted (6 years 8 months 3 weeks 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 4480 times:
Any news on the 762 fleet? Getting a bit fed up with seeing these at MAN, let's have more 763s, or even A330s?
25 KrisYYZ: I believe most of them will go to RG within the next few years. KrisYYZ
26 Donder10: A very important factor indeed as AC has had to lease the Gemini DC10 lately (2 years now?)to make up for the lack of cargo capacity caused by the 74
27 Jfk777: AC is getting the widebody comfort of a 747 with the efficiency of a twin in its new 777 fleet. Now it can have the right capacity to many slot constr
28 Multimark: They will certainly miss the A340 when they get stuck in the middle-seat-wasteland of AC's 777 3-3-3 Y seating, vs the A340 2-4-2!
29 Yyz717: Some recent changes to AC's fleet (from aerotransport.org). 1. A 762ER was sent to Marana on Oct 2nd. Active 762ER fleet now 9. Also 2 762 non-ER stil
30 Cessnapimp: Interesting listing there Yyz717, thanks for the info! Any idea on the fin for the 762? 615? 611? Just got some training today on how to qualify FA's
31 GodBless: But one must consider that the three AC 744's were 74M's, and the four Canadian jumbos didn't last that long either... Max
32 Yyz717: Hey Greg, it was C-FUCL #622 that was sent to Marana on Monday. This particular aircraft was delivered to China Airlines in Jun 1983, and is msn #60
33 FLYACYYZ: And previously flew with Air New Zealand, prior to AC operating the aircraft. Sister ship is fin #621.
34 Psimpson: I did read somewhere that AC A340-313x FN901 C-FYKX is going to Swiss Airlines as HB-IMJ around Apr 2007.
35 MCOflyer: I recall reading that 2 AC340's will be going to Swiss too. Not too sure of the registrations, but that makes sense since SWISS needs more planes. Ha
36 MEA-707: Air Canada will be able to grow in capacity as they can cash in on the increased visa restrictions in the USA, and partially replace MIA, LAX and NYC
37 Yyz717: 2 of the AC 343X are destined for LAN Airlines, according to aerotransport.org.
38 CayMan: That actually depends on the nationality of the pax. Most latin american pax would require a transit visa, at this point, to transit through Canada.
39 AirbusfanYYZ: To be honest 90+% of the general public wouldn't know or feel the difference in climb. Add to that the fact that despite the B777 being a fantastic p
40 SB: The only thing I'll miss about the 340s is the (non)-IFE. I find the 3-3-3 configuration of 777 cabins downright stuffy compared to 2-4-2, the seats
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