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Changes To Air Canada’s Fleet  
User currently offlineKrisYYZ From Canada, joined Nov 2004, 1593 posts, RR: 0
Posted (7 years 11 months 1 week 8 hours ago) and read 11320 times:

I just received a fleet update from YYZNEWS.CA, thank you Mr. Dunn.

According to the updated info, AC will be receiving its first B777-333ER in Mar07 followed by one aircraft per month April- July 2007; the May aircraft will be the leased one from IFLC which will make it 5 B773ER in 2007, a 6th B773ER will be delivered in March 2008???

6 B772LR will be arriving starting June 2007 and ending in February 2008, with the freighter coming in 2009.

AC also appears to be returning some B763ER in the coming months and some A343X's by early 2007.

I am very interested in seeing the way AC handles the fleet transition. I believe AC is planning on building maintenance facilities for the B787s in YYZ, where will the T7s be based? I would imagine YYZ will see the majority of the initial B777 flights.

KrisYYZ

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User currently offlineYyz717 From Canada, joined Sep 2001, 16248 posts, RR: 56
Reply 1, posted (7 years 11 months 1 week 6 hours ago) and read 11164 times:

Hey Kris, thanks for posting this info. Looks like a very concentrated 777 delivery schedule.

Quoting KrisYYZ (Thread starter):
AC also appears to be returning some B763ER in the coming months and some A343X's by early 2007.

This week's aerotransport.org newsletter reports that 2 of the AC 343's will be delivered to LAN Chile in early 2007. No indication of tail #'s but both will be 313X models (8 of the 10 AC 343's are this model).

-N



Panam, TWA, Ansett, Eastern.......AC next? Might be good for Canada.
User currently offlineKrisYYZ From Canada, joined Nov 2004, 1593 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (7 years 11 months 1 week 6 hours ago) and read 11124 times:

Quoting Yyz717 (Reply 1):
This week's aerotransport.org newsletter reports that 2 of the AC 343's will be delivered to LAN Chile in early 2007. No indication of tail #'s but both will be 313X models (8 of the 10 AC 343's are this model).

It would make sense that the 313X models would be easier to find new operators for, I wonder what will happen to the -313,-312 models.

C-FYKX and FYLC will be the ones leaving the fleet.

KrisYYZ


User currently offlineBmacleod From Canada, joined Aug 2001, 2261 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (7 years 11 months 1 week 3 hours ago) and read 10950 times:

Quoting KrisYYZ (Thread starter):
I would imagine YYZ will see the majority of the initial B777 flights.

YVR will probably pick up later and we could see a 777 facility there.



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User currently offlineBOE773 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (7 years 11 months 1 week 3 hours ago) and read 10931 times:

Quoting Bmacleod (Reply 3):



Quoting Bmacleod (Reply 3):
YVR will probably pick up later and we could see a 777 facility there.

Hopefully YVR will have some triples based there. If not, then YVR will just be twinkling lights 7 miles below with overflights.


User currently offlineMultimark From Canada, joined Jul 2006, 796 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (7 years 11 months 1 week 2 hours ago) and read 10824 times:

I've been wondering for a while if the 777 is really "too much plane" for AC. Do they really need the increase seats over an A330/340? I realize the T7 is a more efficient plane, but even if it's flying around with a lot of empty seats?

User currently offlineSpyderz From Canada, joined Apr 2001, 651 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (7 years 11 months 1 week ago) and read 10700 times:

YVR will definately see 777's. Most probably they'll -300ER's put on the HKG and NRT routes. In fact, in the original order for the aircraft, the press release stated that YVR-NRT would be the first route to receive the 777's. Who knows if that will materialze though. YVR though will probably be a major 787 base for Air Canada though.

User currently offlineThreepoint From Canada, joined Oct 2005, 2130 posts, RR: 9
Reply 7, posted (7 years 11 months 1 week ago) and read 10663 times:

Quoting Multimark (Reply 5):
I've been wondering for a while if the 777 is really "too much plane" for AC. Do they really need the increase seats over an A330/340? I realize the T7 is a more efficient plane, but even if it's flying around with a lot of empty seats?

In an abbreviated reply to each of your points:

No.

Apparently, yes.

I doubt the load factor will be significantly different than it is today.



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User currently offlineSwissy From Switzerland, joined Jan 2005, 1734 posts, RR: 4
Reply 8, posted (7 years 11 months 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 10573 times:

Quoting Multimark (Reply 5):
I've been wondering for a while if the 777 is really "too much plane" for AC. Do they really need the increase seats over an A330/340? I realize the T7 is a more efficient plane, but even if it's flying around with a lot of empty seats?

You have a point and it is a good question, but only time will tell

Even a T7 will not make money if there are not enough pax on board...... and do not forget filling more seats is one thing and I guess the seat sale is just getting bigger too....  Wink

I am looking forward once AC received all their new metal so we can see how that totally new fleet will work for them in regard of load factor/profit

Cheers,


User currently offlineJfk777 From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 8337 posts, RR: 7
Reply 9, posted (7 years 11 months 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 10549 times:
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Given Ac and Candian operated 744 to NRT, LHR and Hong Kong I don't think a 773ER is TOO much airplane for AC. Was the A343 enough airplane? probably not.

User currently offlineBOE773 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (7 years 11 months 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 10533 times:

Quoting Jfk777 (Reply 9):

I would agree with that.
It will be a good time of year for the first ones to come just prior to the summer season with more passengers. These new craft will also allow for pax expansion on the current long and heavy route structure.


User currently offlineFLYACYYZ From Canada, joined Jan 2004, 1914 posts, RR: 12
Reply 11, posted (7 years 11 months 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 10530 times:

Quoting Multimark (Reply 5):
I've been wondering for a while if the 777 is really "too much plane" for AC. Do they really need the increase seats over an A330/340? I realize the T7 is a more efficient plane, but even if it's flying around with a lot of empty seats?

Unequivocally...NO. AC has had record load factors for years now. 777LR capacity is virtually identical to the A340-500, which it will replace on HKG, and will beef up available business class seating on heavy demand routes on the A340-300 from 30 to 42 seats. The 777-300 will be deployed on heavy capacity routes such as LHR/FRA/NRT, and filling seats will not be an issue.



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User currently offlineSwissy From Switzerland, joined Jan 2005, 1734 posts, RR: 4
Reply 12, posted (7 years 11 months 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 10518 times:

Quoting Jfk777 (Reply 9):
Given Ac and Candian operated 744 to NRT, LHR and Hong Kong I don't think a 773ER is TOO much airplane for AC. Was the A343 enough airplane? probably not.

I guess if they made so much money and yield was good, they still would have them....., however the T7/787 is a strong combination and gives them a very flexible utilization

Cheers,


User currently offlineYVRlonghauler From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (7 years 11 months 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 10171 times:

Quoting Spyderz (Reply 6):
YVR will definately see 777's.



Quoting Spyderz (Reply 6):
YVR though will probably be a major 787 base for Air Canada though.

I'll be glad to see both AC's 777s and 787s around here, but I'll definitely miss the A345s. Too bad A346s never made it to their fleet.


User currently offlineCslusarc From Canada, joined May 2005, 839 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (7 years 11 months 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 9869 times:

Quoting KrisYYZ (Reply 2):
C-FYKX and FYLC will be the ones leaving the fleet.

So FINS 902 and 903 are going to be the first A340s to go.



--cslusarc from YWG
User currently offlineB741 From Canada, joined Jan 2004, 716 posts, RR: 1
Reply 15, posted (7 years 11 months 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 9046 times:

To BOE773,

Even if AC only used them at YYZ, then YVR would not get any overflights. Unless then if a YYZ-HNL route opened. Overflights are routed generally thru YEG, ANC direction. I do believe that the 777 is way too much plane for AC at this precise moment, even if AC is an industry innovator.



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User currently offlineMCOflyer From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 8671 posts, RR: 15
Reply 16, posted (7 years 11 months 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 8961 times:

Quoting B741 (Reply 15):
I do believe that the 777 is way too much plane for AC at this precise moment, even if AC is an industry innovator.

I disagree. The 777 is perfect for routes to LHR, FRA and HKG. This frees up additonal aircraft. In this case its 767's that can be used to upgrade current routes that need upgrading.

MCOflyer



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User currently offlineCarpethead From Japan, joined Aug 2004, 2953 posts, RR: 3
Reply 17, posted (7 years 11 months 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 8728 times:

Not to mention is 773ER's much greater cargo carrying capability over anything AC flies now.
Even with lower load factors, if yield & revenue can be increased on the pax side and extra revenue generated by cargo would more than pay for the aircraft. The aircraft is ideal for long-range markets over the Pacific (eg. YVR/YYZ-NRT & HKG).


User currently offlineWarren747sp From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 1160 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (7 years 11 months 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 8519 times:

I really doubt most passenger will miss the A340 especially the A343 after experiencing the 777 experience. There is no comparison particularly taking off on a ultra long haul flight and subsequent climb to cruising.


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User currently offlineBOE773 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 19, posted (7 years 11 months 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 8294 times:

Finally a North American airline running -300s.

Another interesting note; when the A330s depart, this will be the end of Rolls Royce powered aircraft for Air Canada which has been a RR operator for many years.


User currently offlineB741 From Canada, joined Jan 2004, 716 posts, RR: 1
Reply 20, posted (7 years 11 months 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 8064 times:

Speaking of the A330s, I hope they can stay on for along time. IMHO they are superior to the 320, 340 types. But this is a spotters opinion.


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User currently offlineCrank From Canada, joined May 2001, 1559 posts, RR: 2
Reply 21, posted (7 years 11 months 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 7905 times:

Quoting Cslusarc (Reply 14):
Quoting KrisYYZ (Reply 2):
C-FYKX and FYLC will be the ones leaving the fleet.

So FINS 902 and 903 are going to be the first A340s to go.

If the regs that were posted are correct, that would be 901 and 903.


User currently offlineScotland1979 From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 548 posts, RR: 12
Reply 22, posted (7 years 11 months 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 7151 times:
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Can't wait to see 777s. Hopefully 6 777s will be painted Canadian NHL team Logo each just like the one you saw US Airways A319 painted NFL Philadelphia Eagles

 Big grin



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User currently offlineLH477 From Canada, joined Jan 2004, 584 posts, RR: 5
Reply 23, posted (7 years 11 months 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 6041 times:

Any of the AC insiders know when the 773 will be put on the YYZ-LHR route? I am off to London at the end of March/07, would love to try out the triple seven, although both 343 and 333 are fav's.


Come on you gunners......!!!!!
User currently offlineCandid76 From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2005, 734 posts, RR: 4
Reply 24, posted (7 years 11 months 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 5985 times:

Any news on the 762 fleet? Getting a bit fed up with seeing these at MAN, let's have more 763s, or even A330s?

25 KrisYYZ : I believe most of them will go to RG within the next few years. KrisYYZ
26 Donder10 : A very important factor indeed as AC has had to lease the Gemini DC10 lately (2 years now?)to make up for the lack of cargo capacity caused by the 74
27 Jfk777 : AC is getting the widebody comfort of a 747 with the efficiency of a twin in its new 777 fleet. Now it can have the right capacity to many slot constr
28 Multimark : They will certainly miss the A340 when they get stuck in the middle-seat-wasteland of AC's 777 3-3-3 Y seating, vs the A340 2-4-2!
29 Yyz717 : Some recent changes to AC's fleet (from aerotransport.org). 1. A 762ER was sent to Marana on Oct 2nd. Active 762ER fleet now 9. Also 2 762 non-ER stil
30 Cessnapimp : Interesting listing there Yyz717, thanks for the info! Any idea on the fin for the 762? 615? 611? Just got some training today on how to qualify FA's
31 GodBless : But one must consider that the three AC 744's were 74M's, and the four Canadian jumbos didn't last that long either... Max
32 Yyz717 : Hey Greg, it was C-FUCL #622 that was sent to Marana on Monday. This particular aircraft was delivered to China Airlines in Jun 1983, and is msn #60
33 FLYACYYZ : And previously flew with Air New Zealand, prior to AC operating the aircraft. Sister ship is fin #621.
34 Psimpson : I did read somewhere that AC A340-313x FN901 C-FYKX is going to Swiss Airlines as HB-IMJ around Apr 2007.
35 MCOflyer : I recall reading that 2 AC340's will be going to Swiss too. Not too sure of the registrations, but that makes sense since SWISS needs more planes. Ha
36 MEA-707 : Air Canada will be able to grow in capacity as they can cash in on the increased visa restrictions in the USA, and partially replace MIA, LAX and NYC
37 Yyz717 : 2 of the AC 343X are destined for LAN Airlines, according to aerotransport.org.
38 CayMan : That actually depends on the nationality of the pax. Most latin american pax would require a transit visa, at this point, to transit through Canada.
39 Post contains images AirbusfanYYZ : To be honest 90+% of the general public wouldn't know or feel the difference in climb. Add to that the fact that despite the B777 being a fantastic p
40 SB : The only thing I'll miss about the 340s is the (non)-IFE. I find the 3-3-3 configuration of 777 cabins downright stuffy compared to 2-4-2, the seats
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