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AA Bids To Provide 787 Maintenance  
User currently offlineSEAdomer787 From United States of America, joined Jul 2006, 115 posts, RR: 1
Posted (7 years 10 months 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 7205 times:
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Link:
http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?p...l_en&refer=conews&sid=a..8BK3du.v4

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Quote:
Sept. 25 (Bloomberg) -- AMR Corp.'s American Airlines said it's bidding to become the sole provider of maintenance for North American companies that buy Boeing Co. 787 aircraft with a service program.



Looks like this is even more fuel for the fire that AA will become a 787 operator, though it's really not a huge surprise. This would be quite the massive contract to win, esp. considering the nearly inevitable orders by the legacies like DL and UA for 787s.

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User currently offlineNYC777 From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 5731 posts, RR: 48
Reply 1, posted (7 years 10 months 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 7168 times:

I wonder if this means that an AA 787 order is just around the corner?


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User currently offlineLaxintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 24814 posts, RR: 46
Reply 2, posted (7 years 10 months 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 7137 times:

Boeings GoldCare program bidding is a tough fought process, with AA being far from guaranteed being awarded the work. Mater of fact Air Canada Tech which has signed for the 787 is also bidding on the work along with other providers in North America.

The GoldCare package is modelled after Boeing BBJ maintenance program with worldwide MRO's including Delta Tech in the US.

AA has been recently trying hard to squeeze efficiency out of its maintenance operation including added 3rd party work.



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User currently offlineLeskova From Germany, joined Oct 2003, 6075 posts, RR: 70
Reply 3, posted (7 years 10 months 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 7083 times:

Does this mean that there'll only be a single company authorized by Boeing to offer MRO services within each region, i.e. North America, Europe, Asia, ...?

Certainly sounds quite lucrative for the company that wins the bid... but what if, just as an example, AA wins the bid, but AC doesn't want to use their services? Could AC still build up its own maintenance, or would they 'have to' use AA's service?

Sorry if this question sounds a bit naive... it's just the first time I've heard about the GoldCare program...  Wink

Thanks!



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User currently offlineBoeingBus From United States of America, joined May 2004, 1596 posts, RR: 18
Reply 4, posted (7 years 10 months 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 7011 times:

I believe this contract has everything to do with customers who sign up for the GoldCare maintenance plane through Boeing.

Any airline can still maintain their own planes as long as they have trained personel.



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User currently offlineLaxintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 24814 posts, RR: 46
Reply 5, posted (7 years 10 months 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 6998 times:

Any carrier is free to build up their own 787 maintenance capabilities.

The GoldCare program is designed more for the smaller carriers preferring to have nose to tail coverage including spares at predictable fixed cost for their fleets.

Boeing's venture is however drawing some industry concern as the carrier is crossing the line between OEM supplier and MRO providers. Boeing recently also purchase a large parts providor.


Here is some detail.
http://www.boeing.com/commercial/goldcare/index.html



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User currently offlineCommavia From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 11411 posts, RR: 62
Reply 6, posted (7 years 10 months 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 6920 times:

My thoughts:

This is essentially as good as an announcement by AA that they are going to be buying 787s. There is no way AA would develop an entire maintenance program for an entire fleet of brand new aircraft from the ground up if it wasn't going to be utilizing this maintenance capacity for its own fleet at some point as well.

Secondly, while I don't know how well AA will fare in this process and whether or not it can compete on price, I think AA might have a good shot if they entice Boeing by agreeing as part of the deal to buy 787s. In addition, AA and Boeing do have a somewhat experienced history in the past with working together on maintenance activities. AA has done work for Boeing on the 777s at its unique, specially-designed 777 maintenance facility at AFW, and Boeing is currently as we speak leasing a 777 from AA to do testing.

Finally, while it may be a bit too hopeful, I think that this would be the perfect use for American's Kansas City maintenance facility, which is basically sitting empty right now. From what I've heard from maintenance people within AA, the MCI maintenance folks have by far the best work ethic and quality committment of any of the overhaul mechanics among AFW, TUL or MCI.


User currently offlineLaxintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 24814 posts, RR: 46
Reply 7, posted (7 years 10 months 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 6873 times:

By the way, SR Technics was named the initial 787 GoldCare provider earlier this year.

http://www.srtechnics.com/datas/news...rch=%22sr%20technics%2Bgoldcare%22



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User currently offlineDeltaSFO From United States of America, joined Nov 2000, 2488 posts, RR: 22
Reply 8, posted (7 years 10 months 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 6715 times:

Quoting Commavia (Reply 6):
From what I've heard from maintenance people within AA, the MCI maintenance folks have by far the best work ethic and quality committment of any of the overhaul mechanics among AFW, TUL or MCI.

So you're stating that the quality of AA maintenance depends on where it's done? By that logic, if I fly on an a/c overhauled at MCI, I'm safer than if I fly on one overhauled at AFW or TUL.

I hope that's not what you really meant to say.



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User currently offlineCommavia From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 11411 posts, RR: 62
Reply 9, posted (7 years 10 months 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 6545 times:

Quoting DeltaSFO (Reply 8):
By that logic, if I fly on an a/c overhauled at MCI, I'm safer than if I fly on one overhauled at AFW or TUL.

No, that's not what I'm saying.

The work is done just as safely in any of the three bases. TUL mechanics, just like AFW mechanics, just like MCI mechanics, are professionals and especially due to layoffs in the last five years, are mostly very senior and very experienced. Mistakes are made, things are done wrong, it happens everywhere, and it's unavoidable, but by and large, AA's mechanics are exceptionally smart people who know what they are doing, and I would feel perfectly safe being on any AA plane regardless of where it is overhauled.

What I was referring to is the work ethic of the MCI mechanics. From what I've heard from several people within the AA M&E organization, they former TWA MCI mechanics work extremely hard, bust their a** to get things done right and on time, and generally just have an amazing work ethic. Some say, however, that the TUL mechanics, on the other hand, and especially AFW, have a sense of entitlement and can sometimes not feel quite as pressured to get work out on time. From what I've heard in particular, the AFW mechanics have an attrocious work ethic compared with TUL -- which is fairly good -- and MCI which is spectacular.

Just what I've heard.


User currently offlineFURUREFA From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 801 posts, RR: 2
Reply 10, posted (7 years 10 months 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 6098 times:

Quoting Commavia (Reply 9):
From what I've heard in particular, the AFW mechanics have an attrocious work ethic compared with TUL -- which is fairly good -- and MCI which is spectacular.

I have heard the exact same thing about AFW. I have heard though, that the best mechanics were at TUL.

Just what I've heard, I could be (and probably am) wrong!

Matt


User currently offlineFXramper From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 7189 posts, RR: 86
Reply 11, posted (7 years 10 months 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 6036 times:
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Everything I hear is an AA order officially announced before the end of November. They are working with Boeing for confirmed delivery spots (before 2010) and converting previous order with the company. Should be a 787 simulator at the American Airlines Flight Academy before years end.

Can't wait to read it officially!  bouncy 


User currently offlineMCIGuy From United States of America, joined Mar 2006, 1936 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (7 years 10 months 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 5663 times:

COOL, 787's at MCI regulary!  bouncy 


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User currently offlineNewark777 From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 9348 posts, RR: 30
Reply 13, posted (7 years 10 months 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 5188 times:

Still wondering what AA will do with their livery on a 787.  scratchchin 

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User currently offlineReggaebird From Jamaica, joined Nov 1999, 1176 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (7 years 10 months 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 5138 times:

Quoting Laxintl (Reply 7):
By the way, SR Technics was named the initial 787 GoldCare provider earlier this year.

http://www.srtechnics.com/datas/news...re%22

Was your comment about SR Technic becoming a GoldCare provider meant to demonstrate that the prize can go to a carrier that has not ordered the 787? If so, please remember that SR Technics is a wholly independent entity that left its connection to Swissair behind years ago. If not, .....nevermind.  Smile


User currently offlineJacobin777 From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 14968 posts, RR: 60
Reply 15, posted (7 years 10 months 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 5064 times:

Quoting FXramper (Reply 11):
Everything I hear is an AA order officially announced before the end of November. They are working with Boeing for confirmed delivery spots (before 2010) and converting previous order with the company. Should be a 787 simulator at the American Airlines Flight Academy before years end.

now THAT would rock..maybe they can restart SJC-NRT, SJC-TPE, and ORD-NGO again.... Smile

Now if they can only have SJC-LGW flights...



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User currently offlineN844AA From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 1352 posts, RR: 1
Reply 16, posted (7 years 10 months 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 5029 times:

Quoting FXramper (Reply 11):
Everything I hear is an AA order officially announced before the end of November. They are working with Boeing for confirmed delivery spots (before 2010) and converting previous order with the company. Should be a 787 simulator at the American Airlines Flight Academy before years end.

I hope so. I'd love it if this week's UFOs were destined for AA. The timing of this article and the post to Boeing's order site is curiously coincidental...



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User currently offlineLaxintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 24814 posts, RR: 46
Reply 17, posted (7 years 10 months 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 4991 times:

Quoting Reggaebird (Reply 14):
Was your comment about SR Technic becoming a GoldCare provider meant to demonstrate that the prize can go to a carrier that has not ordered the 787?

My point was simply to show who was Boeings first GoldCare MRO partner.

It does however show that having connection to an future B787 operator is not a major Boeings criteria as SR Technics as you state is no longer affiliated with Swiss(air), which anyways is not a 787 customer.

I dont know what chances AA has with securing this work, however I do know the Americas competition will be a tough one and likely decided more on overall cost and not necessarily on being an airline that is or could be a prospective 787 operator. I've also hear VEM in Brazil is/will be bidding on the work.



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User currently offlineLY4XELD From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 857 posts, RR: 15
Reply 18, posted (7 years 10 months 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 4137 times:

Quoting FXramper (Reply 11):
Should be a 787 simulator at the American Airlines Flight Academy before years end.

This doesn't make sense. How can there be a 787 simulator at AA Flight Academy before years end? How do you know whether or not Boeing is offering that to its customers yet?

Quoting FXramper (Reply 11):
Everything I hear is an AA order officially announced before the end of November.

Everything you've said is speculation.

I do agree that AA is well poised to receive 787's. MCI would be a good choice for MX. I've worked at AFW - they can certainly handle the new airplane. If the 767 is retired in the future, it would open up more bays for maintenance as well (for their potential birds and other customers).



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User currently offlineWsan581 From United States of America, joined Sep 2006, 178 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (7 years 10 months 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 4047 times:

Quoting Commavia (Reply 6):
AA might have a good shot if they entice Boeing by agreeing as part of the deal to buy 787s. In addition, AA and Boeing do have a somewhat experienced history in the past with working together on maintenance activities. AA has done work for Boeing on the 777s at its unique, specially-designed 777 maintenance facility at AFW,
??

AA works on the engines for the 777 at AFW, not sure to what extent but this service is provided to all carriers in the U.S. I have seen DL and UA 777's at AFW before. Does anyone have exact info. on this.

[Edited 2006-09-27 15:38:26]


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User currently offlineLY4XELD From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 857 posts, RR: 15
Reply 20, posted (7 years 10 months 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 3862 times:

Quoting Wsan581 (Reply 19):
I have seen DL and UA 777's at AFW before

AA MX (TAESL) does work on DL Rolls Royce engines.

The UA 777's were being outfitted for Air India. They have P&W engines, so they're not maintained or overhauled at AFW.



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User currently offlineWsan581 From United States of America, joined Sep 2006, 178 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (7 years 10 months 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 3806 times:

Quoting LY4XELD (Reply 20):
AA MX (TAESL) does work on DL Rolls Royce engines.

The UA 777's were being outfitted for Air India. They have P&W engines, so they're not maintained or overhauled at AFW.

Thanks for the info.



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