8herveg From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2006, 962 posts, RR: 0 Posted (3 years 2 months 1 week 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 14476 times:
I know this is never going to happen. Its just an idea I had as I was bored.
But heres a picture of how I think Heathrow COULD look if it was all brought up and started again....a dream!!
Whats interesting is, it is still possible to fit 4 full-length runways into MOST of the airports boundary, without knocking down many houses!!
Any comments would be appreciated.
To view the picture (which I edited from Google Earth!!), I think you have to click on 'Add Images' on the bottom left. Im new to all this so please say if Im wrong!
Jamesbuk From United Kingdom, joined May 2005, 3968 posts, RR: 5 Reply 3, posted (3 years 2 months 1 week 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 14395 times:
Dude u need to get the picture from google earth, upload it to some internet image server, like www.imageshack.us and then upload that image from imageshack to airliners.net using ur personal pics or you could use a link from the website.
rgd s--James--
You cant have your cake and eat it... What the hells the point in having it then!!!
RichardPrice From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 4, posted (3 years 2 months 1 week 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 14366 times:
Quoting 8herveg (Thread starter): Whats interesting is, it is still possible to fit 4 full-length runways into MOST of the airports boundary, without knocking down many houses!!
DesertJets From United States, joined Feb 2000, 6941 posts, RR: 29 Reply 5, posted (3 years 2 months 1 week 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 14331 times:
If it were my project, neighbors be damned. I would completely redo the field, terminals, etc.... acquire all the land from the northern airfield boundary all the way to the M4 and from the western airfield boundary all the way to the M25. That should conceivably give one enough room to build two pairs of widely spaced parallel runways that could operate simulatenously (again neighbors be damned).
Stop drop and roll will not save you in hell. --- seen on a church marque in rural Virginia
Runways need certain seperation distances to be operated at the same time, and there are also agreements in place stopping use of certain runways in certain ways at certain times of the day.
There are many airports with runways that cant be used concurrently due to lack of seperation.
8herveg From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2006, 962 posts, RR: 0 Reply 9, posted (3 years 2 months 1 week 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 14239 times:
Quoting RichardPrice (Reply 8): Runways need certain seperation distances to be operated at the same time, and there are also agreements in place stopping use of certain runways in certain ways at certain times of the day.
There are many airports with runways that cant be used concurrently due to lack of seperation.
I understand your point, but theyre not THAT close in the plan, surely?
ManchesterMAN From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2003, 1113 posts, RR: 0 Reply 11, posted (3 years 2 months 1 week 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 14150 times:
If they can do it at SFO with their close parallels why not at LHR?
Myt332 From United Kingdom (England), joined Sep 2003, 8737 posts, RR: 92 Reply 13, posted (3 years 2 months 1 week 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 14121 times:
8herveg From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2006, 962 posts, RR: 0 Reply 14, posted (3 years 2 months 1 week 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 14088 times:
Quoting RichardPrice (Reply 10): Theres a reason Heathrow want to put the runway where they do....
Also, I think u'll find the real reason Heathrow want to place the 3rd runway further north, is because there is more land available there and less to knock down!!
Could someone actually comment on anything else apart from the runways?
8herveg From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2006, 962 posts, RR: 0 Reply 15, posted (3 years 2 months 1 week 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 14088 times:
LAX is another example of 4 parallel runways operating all at the same time (apart from at the moment obviously because of construction or resurfacing). In fact I think you'll find the layout of my 'New Heathrow' is practically the same as LAX's!!!
RichardPrice From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 16, posted (3 years 2 months 1 week 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 13955 times:
You are ignoring all the other reasons why LHR doesnt operate mixed mode on its two runways at the moment, you think they are going to disappear all of a sudden when you put another two runways in?
No offence, but the people doing LHRs planning arent exactly thick.
8herveg From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2006, 962 posts, RR: 0 Reply 17, posted (3 years 2 months 1 week 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 13915 times:
Quoting RichardPrice (Reply 16): You are ignoring all the other reasons why LHR doesnt operate mixed mode on its two runways at the moment, you think they are going to disappear all of a sudden when you put another two runways in?
So why doesn't Heathrow operate as mixed mode at the moment then?
BuckFifty From Canada, joined Oct 2001, 1283 posts, RR: 30 Reply 19, posted (3 years 2 months 1 week 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 13882 times:
Quoting 8herveg (Thread starter): ts interesting is, it is still possible to fit 4 full-length runways into MOST of the airports boundary, without knocking down many houses!!
Well, you'll have to knock down 90% of Heathrow's hotel capacity in order to do what you're achieving. They're not small houses up there.
In any case, it's good to dream. But if you have to dream, dream big. Since you're knocking down so much stuff on the northern boundary, you might as well just knock down everything else, ala what Desertjets said.
HUYguy From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2006, 274 posts, RR: 0 Reply 20, posted (3 years 2 months 1 week 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 13882 times:
Quoting 8herveg (Reply 17): So why doesn't Heathrow operate as mixed mode at the moment then?
I thought they were looking into it and coming up with a decision sometime soon. The only thing is access to terminal 4 and crossing the runway which will be even more active then it is right now
RichardPrice From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 21, posted (3 years 2 months 1 week 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 13821 times:
Quoting 8herveg (Reply 17): So why doesn't Heathrow operate as mixed mode at the moment then?
Total limits on movements in the airport operating license, agreements with surrounding population centres regarding movements and noise, capacity issues.
8herveg From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2006, 962 posts, RR: 0 Reply 22, posted (3 years 2 months 1 week 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 13805 times:
Quoting BuckFifty (Reply 19): Well, you'll have to knock down 90% of Heathrow's hotel capacity in order to do what you're achieving. They're not small houses up there.
I'm actually knocking down all 5 terminals, so knocking down hotels isn't going to make much difference. After all, this is all a dream to start the WHOLE airport again!!
Quoting HUYguy (Reply 20): The only thing is access to terminal 4 and crossing the runway which will be even more active then it is right now
Terminal 4 wouldn't be there. Im knocking EVERYTHING down and starting again and seeing how possible it is to build a 4 runway airport within MOST of the existing boundary!
The ultimate dream would be to operate Heathrow, Gatwick, and Stanstead all as one single large airport with dedicated high capacity high speed links between them for transfers.
8herveg From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2006, 962 posts, RR: 0 Reply 24, posted (3 years 2 months 1 week 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 13724 times:
Quoting RichardPrice (Reply 23): The ultimate dream would be to operate Heathrow, Gatwick, and Stanstead all as one single large airport with dedicated high capacity high speed links between them for transfers.
If you had a dedicated high capacity high speed link between all 3 airports, it wouldn't be ONE single airport would it?! It would be 3 airports in 3 different countys, which just happen to have a better transfer link than the current coaches which they operate!
Stealth777 From United States, joined Feb 2006, 316 posts, RR: 0 Reply 25, posted (3 years 2 months 1 week 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 13710 times:
Quoting ManchesterMAN (Reply 11): If they can do it at SFO with their close parallels why not at LHR?
actually SFO has major issue when the weather gets marginal. so although yes on a nice sunny clear day the parralell approach is great. but when the weather gets bad to where there can only land on one runway that will affect the traffic flow. throw in the fact that sometimes they would have to use the same runways for take-off and bingo you got some nasty delays and traffic flow controls that really suck. Hence why most people prefer to fly into OAK or SJC because weather rarely seems to affect them.
26 RichardPrice: It wouldnt be three airports if it was operated as one. If the high speed links existed there would be very little difference between LHR with four r
27 MtnWest1979: Okay, it has 'maintence' area. It should be maintenance. Throw in a 5th r/w further North and you'd have an ATL look-a-like.
28 Kevin777: As much as I love the idea of high-speed links between LHR, LGW and STN, you have to remember that these airports are seriously far apart! STN-LGW is
29 RichardPrice: We are building a dedicated high speed rail link between Paris and London, Im sure a couple of points around London itself isnt going to be a huge is
30 Kevin777: he he.... but judging by the financial condition of the Eurostar/tunnelproject it might not be an investor's dream fund allocation right now!!!....
31 Stirling: Maybe try just 3 runways...? It is possible on your map to distinguish where existing underground infrastructure is? Such as the Heathrow Express, and
32 Cusaeng: big willy wont be happy about t5 going so soon
33 Pope: So basically, you want it to look like KATL?
34 Ned Kelly: Wot no runway 05/23!! I have often thought of this. How would they design LHR today if they could start from scratch. OK, how many gates is there in y
35 AIRCANL1011: Looks like there is quite a lot of open unused space at the one end. Is that for future development when you realize you don't have enough terminal sp
36 United787: What a mess LHR is. Take a look at the real existing layout on Google Earth, it looks like Godzilla ate an airport and threw it back up. I think they
37 ANstar: Looks like less terminal capacity but more runways???? Doesnt make to much sense. LHR need another runway (to the north) and T5 to be completed... lik
38 FlyDeltaJets87: Depends on how the high speed link works. If the stations are behind the security checkpoint with seperate trains for baggage, then yes, it would be
39 Ncelhr: The biggest hurdle is actually due to agreements with surrounding population regarding noise. At peak times, limited mixed mode is used. Usually, one
40 Gh123: I think that with that design there would be complete and utter ground traffic grid-lock. Aircraft are big things!
41 Runway23: Because Terminal 4 these days is state of the art in terms of not being grid-locked? How many times does a flight arrive on time just to wait another
42 Feroze: While this may be true, if you have to go through T2 you die from claustrophobia! Having said that, when I arrived into LHR two weeks ago at 0715 on
43 Steeler83: One mega airport, NICE!!! How fast would these metro links travel, 100km/h at least??? Go from LHR to LGW in 10 minutes? Something of the type? Yeah,
44 Mah584jr: I most definitely think that airport looks a lot like ATL.
46 8herveg: Theres 200 gates. But its just a drawing. You could put 300 gates there if you wanted. Theres only so many little yellow things you can draw on Paint
47 Cumulus: Is your username derived from some female eating her vegetables? "8HERVEG", the only reason I ask is I have a 5 year, who's not keen on veg, and if sh
48 8herveg: Ha ha very funny. The answer is no. My surname is Herve...its french. My first name is George. It was the username I was given at school and i have j
49 Leskova: Sorry about going back to the runway issue - but there are parallel approaches at FRA: when one plane has touched down on one runway, the plane on th
50 Nighthawk: if your going to go to all the trouble of rebuilding heathrow from the ground up....... why dont you do it on a different site???
51 Tolosy: Keep it a dream! Sounds as a good idea, to build up a massive LHR... But I wonder how Londoners will react when one thousand flights a day (at least)
52 8herveg: I'm just doing it for the challenge really, to see if it is possible to ease up the congestion at Heathrow by adding another 2 much needed runways, b
54 DeltaDAWG: Reminds me of ATL!? Except when ATL adds the Southern terminal and International terminal it will become a cluster**** in terms of operational efficie
55 LHR777: The minor problem you'll have there is the fact that those hotels aren't on airport property and the likes of SAS Rezidor, Renaissance, Marriott, Edw
56 RJ111: Why would you want that? Slots would increase, and we'd no doubt see loads of piddly RJs. Nobody wants that.
57 LJDRVR: Not a single high-speed taxiway? No thanks. You're also down to a two runway situation when the field is IFR. (most mornings) I think it's neat that y
58 Steeler83: Yeah, come to think of it, 100 km/h would only be what, 60mph hear in the states? Yeah, nothing too impressive, but taking that into consideration wh
59 Leskova: Yupp... should be around 60mph... then again, even that seems almost high speed if I compare it to most train rides that I've taken in/around London.
60 Sv2008: So really they need the 3rd runway/T6 built yesterday. Will these ever be built in time to make it worthwhile? Nosie isn't too bad unless you live rig
61 Steeler83: Man! Thank God for MP3 players, right? 1 and 1 quarter hours on a bus between the airports is nuts! How many kilometers apart are LGW and LHR again?
62 Feroze: The distance between LHR and LGW, using the "fastest" route (ie M25, M23), is 46 miles or 74 km.
63 Steeler83: Oh... further than I thought. Yeah, a high-speed rail link would make a bit of sense there. Hey, doesn't the TGV that goes under the English Channel
64 Feroze: The Channel Tunnel Rail Link, when fully operational, goes through the county of Kent before going into tunnel under the Thames and through East Lond
65 BigOrange: Ok, now you're getting carried away with your dreams. This is the UK we are talking about. High speed doesn't work and never will in the UK. They can
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