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Alitalia MD80 Video - Normal Departure?  
User currently offlineAlitalia744 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 4750 posts, RR: 45
Posted (8 years 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 7679 times:

Saw this video on youtube - seems like the pilot is going fast around the corner to the runway, including throttling up during the turn. I know rolling take-offs are common, but this one seems to be on another level...

Alitalia MD80 Departure


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User currently onlineJakTrax From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2005, 4936 posts, RR: 7
Reply 1, posted (8 years 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 7550 times:

I wouldn't describe this as normal but I wouldn't on the other hand say it was ultra-rare or indeed careless.

I once saw an Iberia DC-9 at Manchester (MAN) do a similar thing, except the motions were a little more violent! And I still didn't view that as risky or careless.

I have also been aboard a KLM 742 which did something very similar, and it didn't concern me.

Karl


User currently onlineJakTrax From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2005, 4936 posts, RR: 7
Reply 2, posted (8 years 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 7550 times:

I wouldn't describe this as normal but I wouldn't on the other hand say it was ultra-rare or indeed careless.

I once saw an Iberia DC-9 at Manchester (MAN) do a similar thing, except the motions were a little more violent! And I still didn't view that as risky or careless.

I have also been aboard a KLM 742 which did something very similar, and it didn't concern me.

Karl


User currently offlineLnglive1011yyz From Canada, joined Oct 2003, 1608 posts, RR: 15
Reply 3, posted (8 years 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 7409 times:

Don't forget.. the perspective of the video is that you're only seeing a small portion of the runway as it's turning..

There is probably a very wide expanse of space there paved (to accomodate perhaps one or two planes holding at once), and if someone was on final, the pilot would likely want to move fast..

When I left ORD last month to MCO on an AAS 757, we did the 'turn-and-burn' similar to this video.. We actually turned quite quickly, which made the people around me gasp.

I was lovin' it all!

1011yyz



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User currently offlineCURLYHEADBOY From Italy, joined Feb 2005, 940 posts, RR: 2
Reply 4, posted (8 years 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 7342 times:

The video was filmed in LIN, I live close to this airport and go spotting there quite often, it's not uncommon to hear the tower giving takeoff clearance while the aircraft is still on the taxiway. AZ pilots are probably used to this procedure and you can often see them giving throttle while still turning on the runway, getting the plane aligned and then setting takeoff power. It is actually not very "elegant" to watch...  Wink


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User currently offlineKappel From Suriname, joined Jul 2005, 3533 posts, RR: 17
Reply 5, posted (8 years 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 7326 times:

I experienced it once on an ATA L1011 at AMS (a chartered flight to PBM) No biggie really. Only thought I had was that the pilot must have been in a hurry (we were already delayed for about two hours)


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User currently offlineKhobar From United States of America, joined Mar 2006, 2379 posts, RR: 4
Reply 6, posted (8 years 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 7293 times:

At least he didn't do 1/2 the roll down the runway with the spoilers deployed!

User currently offlineThePRGuy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (8 years 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 7279 times:

I was on that flight, in fact as you can see I filmed it  Silly
It did feel quite odd, but then most of what Alitalia was doing that day was odd and we were so p***ed off with them that we didn't get too distracted by this.
But I agree, quite odd
Alex


User currently offlineSammyk From United States of America, joined Oct 1999, 1690 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (8 years 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 7107 times:
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Whether it's normal or not I love it when they do this. Experienced this once in BOM on an AI 744 in the wee hours.

User currently offlineEMBQA From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 9364 posts, RR: 11
Reply 9, posted (8 years 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 7091 times:

Quoting Alitalia744 (Thread starter):
I know rolling take-offs are common, but this one seems to be on another level...

The type of recording also gives it the effect of going faster. If you look closely it gives the apperance of stop action.



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User currently offlineSkepticAll From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (8 years 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 7072 times:

From my perspective as a tower controller, you got to hand it to a pilot who understands the phrase, "no delay".

User currently offlineMeanGreen From United States of America, joined May 2006, 142 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (8 years 6 days ago) and read 6936 times:

I agree, that's a no delay! Was on an AA S80 at SFO and we did the samething. I wonder if this is only common if there is no one behind you?

User currently offlineDZ09 From United States of America, joined Sep 2006, 491 posts, RR: 1
Reply 12, posted (8 years 6 days ago) and read 6923 times:

Believe me, this is quite normal with AZ pilots. I was on flight once where maybe a third of the pax were still standing when the plane started leaving the gate.

User currently offlineLemurs From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 1439 posts, RR: 4
Reply 13, posted (8 years 6 days ago) and read 6902 times:

I've been on mutliple 737's and MD-80's out of SEA that have done this at various hours...always a fun experience. Some people get nervous. That one did appear to be faster than anything I have experienced, but as someone else mentioned, the quality of YouTube might have something to do with that.


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User currently offlineLemurs From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 1439 posts, RR: 4
Reply 14, posted (8 years 6 days ago) and read 6884 times:

Quoting DZ09 (Reply 12):
Believe me, this is quite normal with AZ pilots. I was on flight once where maybe a third of the pax were still standing when the plane started leaving the gate.

I'm sure that has as much to do with the pax as the pilots. I remember vividly my first flight on AZ when I was about 13. I flew JFK-FCO in one of their 747's...besides being treated like a pure annoyance by the FA's (I was traveling alone), the thing that really sticks out for me was the landing...the second the wheels touched the ground, the whole plane errupted in applause...quickly replaced by the sounds of hundreds of clicks as seatbelts came undone and people quickly stood up to get their bags...before we got entirely off the runway even! (They started standing up as soon as we started the turn to the taxiway.) This was summer 1989 I am pretty sure.

Only Italians could ignore rules and regulations so blatantly. (Saying this as a proud 1st generation Italian-American.) 

[Edited 2006-09-27 04:18:19]


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User currently offlineThePRGuy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 15, posted (8 years 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 6729 times:

Quoting DZ09 (Reply 12):
Believe me, this is quite normal with AZ pilots. I was on flight once where maybe a third of the pax were still standing when the plane started leaving the gate.

Oh yeah same here.
Cockpit door open until takeoff, people wandering around, its far more laid back.
Alex


User currently offlineCentrair From Japan, joined Jan 2005, 3598 posts, RR: 20
Reply 16, posted (8 years 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 6670 times:

Did something like this on a NW 744 when leaving NGO back in 1999. Quite impressive to be a max weight (weight restrictions at take off at old NGO), 100% seating, taxi, whip around a corner and take off in a 744.


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User currently offlineBOSGRU From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 22 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (8 years 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 5491 times:

i've been on planes that have done that a bunch of times. DL L1011 BCN-JFK, DL 763 MAD-JFK, BA 772 BOS-LHR, IB MD88 BCN-LHR just to name a few.
BOSGRU


User currently offlineIas250 From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 5 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (8 years 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 5348 times:

It's not unusal to do "rolling" takeoffs. It's a technique that reduces the amount of runway used for takeoff's thus having a safety enhancing effect.
Cheers!


User currently offlineCharvett From Venezuela, joined May 2001, 82 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (8 years 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 5072 times:

My father told me (he's a retiered airline pilot) that some airports has
"High-Speed Taxiways"; upon where the intersections with runways
are smoother and not too cutting straight. Just look at airports like
Paris CDG, or Sydney's Kingford Smith... They aren't used to really begin
the take-off on them... but to expedite the process.


User currently offlineThePRGuy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 20, posted (8 years 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 4964 times:

Quoting BOSGRU (Reply 17):
IB MD88 BCN-LHR just to name a few.

Do IB still operate the DOG into LHR from BCN? I've seen a few MD's from them at LHR but it always seems to be 320s and 757s from BCN

Thanks
PR


User currently offlineSkySurfer From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2004, 1136 posts, RR: 12
Reply 21, posted (8 years 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 4815 times:

That happened to me back in 1999 when i flew YYZ - MAN on a Canada3000 A330. It had been snowing heavily, and our flight was delayed 3 hours due to it being stuck in Montreal. After pushback from YYZ, we taxied at a speed i've never seen before on all my flights, turned straight onto the runway and off we went......was a great experience.

Cheers

btw, i really do hate rolling take offs.....i love to come to a complete stop for a few seconds before hearing the engines spool up and then the brakes being released.



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User currently offlineBAtriple7 From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2005, 227 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (8 years 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 4753 times:

Seems quite normal to me.

Quoting SkySurfer (Reply 21):
btw, i really do hate rolling take offs.....i love to come to a complete stop for a few seconds before hearing the engines spool up and then the brakes being released.

Have to agree on that one. Much cooler. Fly with the likes of U2 or FR though and you'll rarely get a standing start some days...


User currently offlineAerofede From Italy, joined Sep 2006, 25 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (8 years 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 4753 times:

From my perspective as an italian ATC, this was a "rolling" take-off (or no-delay, as our US colleagues call it) probably requested by tower control.
In LIN they have about 400 movements every day on the single instrumental runway (the smaller 36L/18R is 600mt long and not approved for instrument ops), and the rolling departure is the only way to take-off in the middle of a tight arrival sequence.

As an aside, this is done by AZ MD-82 pilots quite often, even in no-other-traffic situation: sometimes they taxy really fast to the runway and never stops if cleared in time to do so.
Many of the AZ MD-82 captains have a 20+ years experience on the aircraft, and they can be really smart in flying it. I have seen 290kts ground speed in no wind conditions until they were 3nm on final, and then they vacated the runway at the first intersection, some 1000mt from the threshold.

And they are really cooperative with us air traffic controller.


User currently offlineDesertFlyer From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 515 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (8 years 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 4644 times:

Most of the WN takeoffs out of OAK I've been on are similar to that. Good fun. Big grin

25 Post contains images ThePRGuy : They are quick to get off turf and save costs PR
26 TrojanAE : I recently downloaded Delta Airlines 777 Operations Manual and Delta asks their pilots to "conduct a rolling take-off whenever possible". Not only is
27 United787 : Not to get into another heated discussion about the recent Comair crash, I am sure that the primary cause will be shown as pilot error. But...assuming
28 Traineepilot : It perfectly normal. One of my friends also did this when he was captain of a 737-300. He said he can dramatically reduce takeoff distance (better in
29 Lemurs : It's not a bad idea, but the intial NTSB report says they clearly sat at the runway edge after taxiing, if I am not mistaken...so it didn't happen th
30 Post contains images Captaink : He was turning kinda fast, but it seems like everything was under control. As mentioned probably had a lot of space to play with Personally I hate rol
31 Chris133 : Just looks like a it was an expedite take-off clearance (probably due to traffic on final). Nothing to far out of the ordinary. Now i have seen a BA 7
32 Evan767 : I find it a bit nerve-wracking when the pilots do do this. It once happened when I was on a flight from LAX-SLC on a DL MD-90. The pilot started apply
33 Onewickedboi : I would imagine that this procedure increases tire wear; perhaps this is preferred over engine wear if less thrust is necessary. Do operating manuals
34 JuniorSpotter : I've been on several flights (especially IB and JK) where the pilots have applied t/o thrust while turning on to the runway. Shaky and bumpy, but no d
35 JumboBumbo : I was on a early evening flight out of BOS on UA and we did a rolling takeoff in an A320... the conversation with ATC went something like, Tower: "Uni
36 Post contains images ThePRGuy : Probably cheaper PR
37 Post contains images Captaink : I got a little excited reading your post..:D Like that a rolling takeoff is fun
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