LipeGIG From Brazil, joined May 2005, 11465 posts, RR: 58 Posted (8 years 4 months 1 week 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 6153 times:
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According to ANAC sources, Delta Air Lines requested to Brazilian ANAC (same as US DOT) special approval to fly a daily flight to Salvador, one of the top 3 touristic destinations in Brazil, capital of Bahia, a state with a huge number of luxury resorts and nice destinations like IOS and BPS. SSA is not only low yield traffic, Braskem (petrochemical), Continental Tyres, Goodyear Tyres and one of the most profitable Ford units worldwide, among a good number of business.
This month, Mr. Didier, South America Director based in Rio, during a lunch to celebrate one year of GIG-ATL route (as well as the very good numbers DL obtained during this first year) announced that two major news would be announced during the next 2 months, and it seems SSA is one of them.
Today, according to Brazilian website Panrotas (www.panrotas.com.br) ANAC is willing to approve DL request as SSA is nowadays only 4% of all international flights to Brazil.
Could be the first daily non-stop service from US to Brazilian Northeast and a strong advise that everyone looking for new destinations (ANAC will not grant any rights to Sao Paulo, and they expect that after open more routes to Rio, Salvador, Porto Alegre and Manaus, even extra-flights will be not authorized any more to Sao Paulo).
DL grow in Brazil is amazing, in less than two years they come from 1 to 3 (probably 4) daily flights (2 from ATL, 1 from JFK and a possible ATL-SSA)
A question for our US members: If DL or an airline obtain extra frequencies with ANAC (ex-bilateral), they need to ask for DOT approval also ?
Let's see the next weeks.
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MAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 33383 posts, RR: 71
Reply 1, posted (8 years 4 months 1 week 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 6122 times:
Daily flights? That is way overdoing it. You couldn't even get a daily flight to work to Miami or New York City. SSA is the best potential Northeast market from Atlanta (or anywhere in the US), but 3-4x weekly at most. None the less, it is not surprising to see Delta take advantage of this. I wonder if AA or CO will as well.
SSA is a good market, and as tourism from the US to Brazil expands, it will be the centre of that growth. TAM's MIA-SSA flights rarely leave empty, and a significantly large amount of passengers get on/off at SSA, not GRU.
Atnight From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 624 posts, RR: 1
Reply 2, posted (8 years 4 months 1 week 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 6060 times:
I am glad to see DL expanding in Latin America..... They are proving to be a great company taking their time in expanding but doing so steadily and in the right way... As I have said before, DL is already the 2nd US airline to south america and this just shows how committed they to the region... I wish them luck and hope they continue to prosper!
They requested the ex-bilateral frequencies only, not confirmed by ANAC yet, but it's CEO yesterday confirmed that DL probably will receive the approval.
I believe a 3 to 6 month is needed to DL begin the route, after receive the approval.
Quoting Evan767 (Reply 5): According to great circle mapper the flight is 4411 miles. I don't think the 757 has the range to do this flight. I assume they will do a 763.
Even a 757 with Winglets is not capable to fly to SSA ?
New York + Rio de Janeiro = One of the best combinations !
No it is not correct. That is the STATUTE MILES distance. It is 3833 NAUTICAL MILES. Needless to say, DL's 757s are not full weight 255,000 pound models, nor do they have winglets, so this will be a 767 flight.
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Sampa737 From Brazil, joined May 2005, 637 posts, RR: 1
Reply 15, posted (8 years 4 months 1 week 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 5370 times:
YES! I have so many friends in northeast Brasil. I lived in Aracaju for 7 years. It's such a hassle changing and waiting for flights to the northeast out of Sao Paulo. We've waited as long as 4 hours between times. This is great news.
DLPMMM From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 3605 posts, RR: 11
Reply 16, posted (8 years 4 months 1 week 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 5361 times:
Quoting N1120A (Reply 14): No it is not correct. That is the STATUTE MILES distance. It is 3833 NAUTICAL MILES. Needless to say, DL's 757s are not full weight 255,000 pound models, nor do they have winglets, so this will be a 767 flight.
I took someone elses word for it on the distance.
The point being that the flight would be from ATL and as follows (and you pointed out) it would most likely be 763 equipment.
Being a "special ex bi-lateral" service somewhat due to the Varig problems and I assume during the low season only, will the flight be operating by the Christmas season? Salvador for Christmas would be nice this year, and I have extra Skymiles.
WorldTraveler From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 22, posted (8 years 4 months 1 week 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 5129 times:
The ex TW 757s are fully capable of the highest MTOWs. Remember also that mileage on a north-south route results in dfferent flying times than on east-west routes because of the lack of punishing winds on N-S routes. ATLGRU is only a few minutes longer than TXL-EWR and the PW 757s have better range because of lower fuel burn. DL intends to put winglets on the ex TW 757s; not sure about the ex-ATA birds.
This is great news for the NE of Brazil. It is also possible that DL might extend the route on to another city in the NE. BSB would be a good choice.
I commend ANAC for considering these extrabilateral flights. And the US DOT usually has no problem allowing extra flights if another country is willing to offer then. There is the possibility that AA might want something also and if they do and ANAC doesn't offer options to both carriers, the DOT would have to formalize the request and then have a route proceeding.
ANAC is much less threatened by flights from ATL because no Brazilian airline fliies there. Also, ANAC would like to see someone balance AA and its strength.
2travel2know From Panama, joined Apr 2005, 3580 posts, RR: 4
Reply 23, posted (8 years 4 months 1 week 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 5081 times:
Daily? I don't think so, DL should try with a 3-4 times per week and add if the market requires more.
As of possible schedule, if they're to fly thrice weekly to start, better a early evening ATL-SSA and a red-eyed SSA-ATL, so the same crew flies in/out the same aircraft. Similar ATL-Europe ATL dep/arr times may work well, but wouldn't allow that many connections @ SSA to ATL early/mid morning.
Aircraft, It'll have to be at least a B767-200. Doubt DL will fly SSA on B757 as a tag on of a ATL-FOR flight.
Well another thing, If that DKR stop doesn't work well on DL JNB flight, IMHO, a SSA (or FOR or REC) stop enroute to JNB could do OK; or IF JNB does very well, DL could even try CPT via Brazil