SKYxb70 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Posted (14 years 5 months 3 weeks 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 1330 times:
I just HAD to post this message...
It seems there are a number of dilusional, and/or paranoid individuals out there who believe that what we might normally perceive as simple "contrails" in the sky, are actually Government Tanker Aircraft innoculating us with "Biological Weapons," or some sort of similarly sinister compound.
Use just about any search engine, and search for :
(apparently, that's what they call them)
.... You should then be able to pick up a few websites dealing with what is quite obviously a cover-up of global proportions...
SOUTHPACIFIC From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (14 years 5 months 3 weeks 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 1260 times:
OK, lemme start by saying that you don't need to be afraid of me, I won't bash you for posting this. I will point out a few things, though. You need to get ready for war because as you probably know this topic has started alot of heated discussions in the past. And I'm pretty sure this will become a very hate-filled topic in just a short time.
OK, that said, I'll put in my two cents on CHEMTRAILS.
OK, first off I believe the idea that contrails are chemtraisl came from some disillusioned psychopath who couldn't figure up from down. No, realisticly I bet somone who didn't understand what they were naturally got scared and formed their own conclusion. Namely, the worst, as most human beings IMAGINE the worst. But it's all in the mind really. Human beings tend to exaggerate false dangers, and form false conclusions. For example, someone who's scared of the dark has formed a false danger in their mind.
OK, I know I'm talking like a psychiatrist, so I'll talk English now!
I don't believe the military would spray biological chemicals over people from 35,000 feet. Or any altitude for that matter.
Why? Well, think about it, why test chemicals for biological warfare on US? The military's on our side, remember? Remember, we US citiznes pax tax dollars, and part of that money supplies the paycheck for each and every military and government person. So WHY would they want to spray something dangerous on US? If we die, they don't get paid, simple as that.
Plus, what's the point? Don't you think by now that is they actually WERE spraying wierd things down scientists would have discovered it?
The only place I can think of where the US military would spray anything like a chemtrail would be in the test ranges. In Utah, there's lots and lots of military test sites, where there's no access for hundreds of miles around. If they were to test biological weapons and/or chemicals, that'd be the place they'd do it.
But as for normal, everyday military or commercial transports, passing over every city in the US every day? Bullshit.
All those "chemicals" are is twp parts hydrogen and one part oxygen, H2O, water.
That's right, water. Water droplets from aircraft jet angines stream out the back of the aircraft and condense in the -30 temeratures of the upper Thermosphere. When these droplets consense, they form the common ice cloud formation cirrus. This thin line of man-made cirrus usually dissipate fast. BUT, if the conditions are right, namely low air pressure in the area, the contrails will grow and grow in size, to become a fairly large cloud formation way up in the sky. What this eventually causes is more cloud development and eventually rain.
Don't believe me? Look it up, contrails sometimes seed thunderstorms. But the conditions have to be right.
I really pity those who believe that contrails are chemtrails, I really do, because every time they see a normal, harmless contrail, their hearts will beat faster and the adrenaline will flow. Eventually causing an ulcer, and alot of pain over some false fear imbedded in their MIND.
Get off it people, contrails are harmless!
I hope I've put a few people to ease...before this becomes a war.
Gunpowder From Trinidad and Tobago, joined Sep 2000, 39 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (14 years 5 months 3 weeks 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 1218 times:
Some of the aviators on PPRuNe went out and tried to explain "chemtrails" on the chemtrail site in a rational way. The amount of flame they got was unreal, so be very careful how you deal with chemtrailers, they are vehement in their beliefs.
Some pruners then decided to pour gasoleine on troubled waters and started spoofing, and the reaction was like a hive of hornets.
Wierd set of people, I try to give them a wide berth!
Hmmmm... From Canada, joined May 1999, 2114 posts, RR: 5
Reply 7, posted (14 years 5 months 3 weeks 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 1194 times:
I've never heard of "chemtrailers". I really should get out more often. I surmise, by the sound of it, that they are another version of the paranoid redneck "survivalist". I feel sorry for them in a way. Many people have no idea what that white stuff is and even if they did, they wouldn't know how it was created. But because it looks like a spray, some of those people have come to what they believe to be a logical conclusion. Because they don't understand. Explaining to them afterwards does no good, because they then assume that the water vapor business is just a lie to cover up the chemical business.
Forget about chemtrailers. If you really want abuse, go to the alt.atheism newsgroup and even suggest that there might be a god. They will eat you alive. I had a debate going about amino acids and how they are not predisposed to form DNA molecules. I left as soon as I realized that they were not regular, well-adjusted people. They were on a mission. An internet newsgroup was just a tool for their mission.
These chemtrailers are no different. But I wouldn't worry about upsetting people like that. As long as you don't work in a government building that is.
An optimist robs himself of the joy of being pleasantly surprised
Pbb152 From United States of America, joined Feb 2000, 623 posts, RR: 2
Reply 8, posted (14 years 5 months 3 weeks 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 1171 times:
I find it quite comical to visit these "chemtrail" sites on the internet. These people are just a bunch of hypochondriac losers. Many of them insist that when they step outside and see a contrail, they all of a sudden feel ill and they have to get back in bed because they can't function properly. What a joke! I see contrails all of the time, and I seem to feel just fine. But, then again, I'm well-adjusted and not a conspiracy theorist. Contrails occur all throughout the world. Is this a worldwide conspiracy? Do the so-called conspirators not care that they are poisoning themselves and their families? C'mon, these people are the biggest bunch of morons around!
Nicolaki From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (14 years 5 months 3 weeks 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 1155 times:
Many of them insist that when they step outside and see a contrail, they all of a sudden feel ill and they have to get back in bed because they can't function properly
You're right Pete, what you are describing is known as placebo effect. It is all psychological. For example the guy who have a headache, goes to the doctor, the doctor give him a placebo (e.g: some pill that only contains sugar) and he makes sure to tell his patient that in 30 he will be feeling way better, and indeed the patient feel normal after half an hour...all psychological...
N863DA From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 48 posts, RR: 5
Reply 12, posted (14 years 5 months 3 weeks 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 1119 times:
Just out of pure knitpicking, jetliners do not fly in the 'Upper Thermosphere' - they fly in the very lower Stratosphere but usually the upper Troposphere... except for the Concorde & some Military jets which fly in the middle-to-upper Stratosphere.
The Thermosphere is the top layer of the atmosphere!! @ around 80 miles up!! (ERAU Met class rears its ugly head!!!) Jetliners flying at 35'000 feet (around 7 miles) are well within the Troposphere. Sorry just had to point that out.
Oh yeah, and back to the topic, all this 'chemtrail' stuff is garbage - it's nothing more than public hysteria. AND even if the Government were trying some top secret chemical (but they're not) we don't have a right to know. They are doing it for the sake of national defense, and therefore if we knew about it, it wouldn't be secret anymore, thus destroying the point of the exercise in the first place. The Public demand too much knowledge of which we have no right to know in the first place... we have to trust that the Government knows what we want, better than we do - because if we don't, who can we trust?
Nicolaki From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (14 years 5 months 3 weeks 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 1111 times:
Actually I think I was wrong ...these guys (at least some) doesn't actually suffer from ignorance by beleiving in chemtrails, because it's all made up. It's not ignorance from there it's stupity.
I was checking their website (I'm very curious!) and here's what I found, a link to some animated radar images of the US taken a while ago. I'm sure you will realize by yourself how faked it is. They have probably decomposed the GIF (Can do that in PSP) then put on some airbrush and after that but the GIF back together ...so easy a baby could do it ...lol
N863DA From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 48 posts, RR: 5
Reply 15, posted (14 years 5 months 3 weeks 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 1098 times:
Sorry y'all - they made a mistake on the 'doppler' image of the US with the big circular thing over N. Florida - I had had too many Duke's Baked Beans with that secret family recipe that morning! Nothing more than that for that one I am afraid...... (http://www.carnicom.com/rad0501.htm)
NickV1r From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 20, posted (14 years 5 months 3 weeks 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 1032 times:
First, I'm no meteorologist, but as a pro pilot I have seen my share of radar images, and these "mysterious ring structures" are pretty common on radar composites, I was once told by a knowledgable individual that it is an frame (the animated image is made up of 15 minute interval frames) during which an individual radar site is undergoing a test which involves the antenna being tilted town to paint ground returns. But then again, maybe I'm just a government agent hoping you will all believe that
SKYxb70 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 21, posted (14 years 5 months 3 weeks 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 1008 times:
As the "instigator" of this particular thread, I thought I should go back and toss in my two cents, now that the subject has been on the table for a while.
Thermosphere? The last time I contemplated the Thermos, was back in the 4th grade. My Thermos had milk in it, and when it broke; my mid-day quotient of dairy products was polluted with shards of glass.
Sorry, but I discount the concept of distrubuting noxious chemicals from very high altitude during daylight hours. Why not do it at night at low altitude? Duh?
Still paranoid? Sign on to one of the services that offers tracking of all the aircraft up there in "Class-A" airspace. You might eventually conclude that those "Chem Trails" (that up to now have caused you to scurry for the shower) are coming from civil airliners.
STILL PARANOID? OK, sure. But this time, use your binoculars, and count the number of emissions from each suspect aircraft. Does the suspicious aircraft have more "trails" than engines? By golly, if it does, get on the horn, pronto...
Frankly, I'd be more concerned about whatever stuff that ground level city bus is spewing out than I would jets at high altitude...