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BA To Order New Aircraft BY Year End.  
User currently offlineWINGS From Portugal, joined May 2005, 2831 posts, RR: 68
Posted (8 years 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 14020 times:

Dubai: British Airways is likely to order new aircraft later this year despite daunting challenges of high fuel costs and stiff competition, a senior official said.

"We are going to announce new orders by the end of 2006 as lack of additional capacity is restricting our growth in some areas," Paul Starrs, British Airways' new commercial manager for the Middle East and Pakistan, told the media on Tuesday, without giving details of the deals.


http://www.gulfnews.com/business/Aviation/10070752.html

Can we expect BA to finally sign for those 10 B777-300ER?

Regards,
Wings


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User currently offlineColumba From Germany, joined Dec 2004, 7073 posts, RR: 4
Reply 1, posted (8 years 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 13994 times:

Quoting WINGS (Thread starter):
Can we expect BA to finally sign for those 10 B777-300ER?

That seems to be the most likely as well as the A319s for Gatwick.
I can also be an order for the 747-8I since Boeing announced to have customers by year end and BA is one of the airlines that had shown interest in it.



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User currently offlinePlaneHunter From Germany, joined Mar 2006, 6816 posts, RR: 77
Reply 2, posted (8 years 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 13974 times:

Since they seem to require new longhaul aircraft in the very near future, a B777 order is likely. I guess we will see a new B77W operator soon.


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User currently offlineBrightCedars From Belgium, joined Nov 2004, 1289 posts, RR: 2
Reply 3, posted (8 years 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 13927 times:

The Boeing 777-300ER seems really fit for BA. Don't understand how they don't have any of them yet. It would be interesting to see whether they're gonna to start a roll on the slowly ageing Boeing 747-400 fleet. Not that they're all very old but it takes some time to replace about 50 of a type. The 777-300ER will replace some of these, while I do expect something larger to show up as well. Should it be the Boeing 747-8 Intercontinental or the Airbus A380s? I'm also wondering about a possible 787 order. They could have a replay of the 767/747 powered by familiar RR engines this time around with the 787/748 but powered by GE engines.


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User currently offlineCHRISBA777ER From UK - England, joined Mar 2001, 5964 posts, RR: 62
Reply 4, posted (8 years 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 13927 times:

777-300ERs for LHR, 25+/- A319/20s for the LGW fleet, and thats it for now, although I expect a 30+ order for 787s in the next couple of years. No A380 or 748I order yet - not until end of 2008 I wouldnt have thought.


What do you mean you dont have any bourbon? Do you know how far it is to Houston? What kind of airline is this???
User currently offlineNimish From India, joined Feb 2005, 3237 posts, RR: 9
Reply 5, posted (8 years 4 days ago) and read 13672 times:

How many 77Ws do you think they might end up ordering?


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User currently offlineCHRISBA777ER From UK - England, joined Mar 2001, 5964 posts, RR: 62
Reply 6, posted (8 years 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 13517 times:

Quoting Nimish (Reply 5):
How many 77Ws do you think they might end up ordering?

Initial order will be for about 20 i would think.



What do you mean you dont have any bourbon? Do you know how far it is to Houston? What kind of airline is this???
User currently offlineWINGS From Portugal, joined May 2005, 2831 posts, RR: 68
Reply 7, posted (8 years 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 13138 times:

Quoting Columba (Reply 1):

That seems to be the most likely as well as the A319s for Gatwick.
I can also be an order for the 747-8I since Boeing announced to have customers by year end and BA is one of the airlines that had shown interest in it.

These numbers seem to make sense. I would also add the A321 to that list. In regards to the B748i it could very well be that BA is one of the stronger candidates to jump onboard the B748i program.

Quoting PlaneHunter (Reply 2):
Since they seem to require new longhaul aircraft in the very near future, a B777 order is likely. I guess we will see a new B77W operator soon.

All points to that. For the present time the B77W is the perfect plane for BA needs.

Regards,
Wings

[Edited 2006-09-28 15:14:57]


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User currently offline8herveg From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2006, 1198 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (8 years 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 13022 times:

Quoting CHRISBA777ER (Reply 4):
A319/20s for the LGW fleet

I thought they were looking at the B737NG for the Gatwick fleet? I personally think the A319/20s would make more sense and are generally a more attractive aircraft anyway but...


User currently offlineCHRISBA777ER From UK - England, joined Mar 2001, 5964 posts, RR: 62
Reply 9, posted (8 years 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 12931 times:

Quoting 8herveg (Reply 8):
I thought they were looking at the B737NG for the Gatwick fleet?

Christ knows where you heard that. Bizarre.



What do you mean you dont have any bourbon? Do you know how far it is to Houston? What kind of airline is this???
User currently offlineRichardw From United Kingdom, joined May 2001, 3750 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (8 years 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 12891 times:

Would the BA LGW A319's have some of U2's A319 features, such as smaller rear galley?

User currently offlineNYC777 From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 5772 posts, RR: 47
Reply 11, posted (8 years 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 12877 times:

Well if the ydo order the 77W, the nlonger term they will be a shoe in for both the 748I and the 787 using all GE engines. I know GE is not the most popular at BA but I think thye'll swallow that if they're given a good deal and that the aircraft (and engines) perform as advertized.


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User currently offlineStarGoldLHR From Heard and McDonald Islands, joined Feb 2004, 1529 posts, RR: 1
Reply 12, posted (8 years 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 12819 times:

BA will never order the A380. The Boeing shareholders would never allow it.


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User currently offlineCHRISBA777ER From UK - England, joined Mar 2001, 5964 posts, RR: 62
Reply 13, posted (8 years 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 12714 times:

Quoting NYC777 (Reply 11):
I know GE is not the most popular at BA

Think again mate.

Willie Walsh is a big GE man, and GE do pretty much all their engine MX work - INCLUDING the RB211s and the Trents. GE are most definitely not unpopular at BA.



What do you mean you dont have any bourbon? Do you know how far it is to Houston? What kind of airline is this???
User currently offlineCHRISBA777ER From UK - England, joined Mar 2001, 5964 posts, RR: 62
Reply 14, posted (8 years 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 12699 times:

Quoting Richardw (Reply 10):
Would the BA LGW A319's have some of U2's A319 features, such as smaller rear galley?

From the standpoint that most of the BA S/H stuff out of LGW is v leisure orientated you could see why if they did, but given that crew training may well be affected, and they would probably want the A319s at both LHR and LGW to be interchangable for more operational flexibility, i cant see it.

U2 dont do hot meals short haul, whereas BA do on some routes. I dont believe the U2 machines have the full galley equipment installed.



What do you mean you dont have any bourbon? Do you know how far it is to Houston? What kind of airline is this???
User currently offlineCHRISBA777ER From UK - England, joined Mar 2001, 5964 posts, RR: 62
Reply 15, posted (8 years 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 12656 times:

Quoting StarGoldLHR (Reply 12):
BA will never order the A380. The Boeing shareholders would never allow it.

So Boeing has a stake in BA? News to me.



What do you mean you dont have any bourbon? Do you know how far it is to Houston? What kind of airline is this???
User currently offlineLTBEWR From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 13120 posts, RR: 12
Reply 16, posted (8 years 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 12513 times:

I could see a split of BA of orders with both A & B. Airbus for the smaller, short haul (UK-EC traffic), and to keep peace with the EC. Boeings for the larger aircraft for high demand, long haul routes that Boeing seems to be a better match for them and their current fleets (777's, 747's). I could also see them going for the 787 for some of the medium demand/medium long haul routes.

User currently offlineNYC777 From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 5772 posts, RR: 47
Reply 17, posted (8 years 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 12500 times:

Quoting CHRISBA777ER (Reply 13):
Think again mate.

Willie Walsh is a big GE man, and GE do pretty much all their engine MX work - INCLUDING the RB211s and the Trents. GE are most definitely not unpopular at BA.

I see. I was basing my comments on BA's difficulties with the GE90s when they got their first 777s.



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User currently offlineCHRISBA777ER From UK - England, joined Mar 2001, 5964 posts, RR: 62
Reply 18, posted (8 years 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 12481 times:

Quoting NYC777 (Reply 17):
Quoting CHRISBA777ER (Reply 13):
Think again mate.

Willie Walsh is a big GE man, and GE do pretty much all their engine MX work - INCLUDING the RB211s and the Trents. GE are most definitely not unpopular at BA.

I see. I was basing my comments on BA's difficulties with the GE90s when they got their first 777s.

Awful lots changed since then mate. Its not that BA are not on good terms with RR, its just that GE are working harder for BA's business at present.



What do you mean you dont have any bourbon? Do you know how far it is to Houston? What kind of airline is this???
User currently offlineCHRISBA777ER From UK - England, joined Mar 2001, 5964 posts, RR: 62
Reply 19, posted (8 years 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 12481 times:

Quoting LTBEWR (Reply 16):
and to keep peace with the EC.

Wouldnt make a blind bit of difference. We arent all protectionist cartel-monsters on the pretty side of the pond you know  Wink



What do you mean you dont have any bourbon? Do you know how far it is to Houston? What kind of airline is this???
User currently offlineNYC777 From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 5772 posts, RR: 47
Reply 20, posted (8 years 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 12481 times:

Quoting CHRISBA777ER (Reply 18):
Awful lots changed since then mate. Its not that BA are not on good terms with RR, its just that GE are working harder for BA's business at present.

Well then bring on the 777, 748I, and 787s!!!!



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User currently offlineAtnight From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 606 posts, RR: 1
Reply 21, posted (8 years 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 12453 times:

Quoting 8herveg (Reply 8):
I thought they were looking at the B737NG for the Gatwick fleet? I personally think the A319/20s would make more sense and are generally a more attractive aircraft anyway but...

I believe BA won't order the B737NG.... maybe you heard that and could be that BA is just trying to get a lower discount from Airbus, but with 99 options for the A320 family plus having already one A319 in the LGW fleet (along with LGW's BA mx currently doing all the maintenance for GT's airbuses), it doesn't make much sense buying the B737NG for their LGW operations.... and like you said, the A320 is a more comfortable and attractive aircraft to fly in, from a pax prospective...

Quoting StarGoldLHR (Reply 12):
BA will never order the A380. The Boeing shareholders would never allow it.

This has to be a joke no? BA being partially owned by Boeing? Wow!



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User currently offlineJohnny From Sweden, joined Jan 2008, 0 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (8 years 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 12432 times:

IF they are just looking for short-term add lift, then it could also be add. B777-200ER with RR-Engines.If they want to create a new subfleet and start the roll-over of the B744-fleet soon, then we can expect the B777-300ER!


A great Bird for BA!!!

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User currently offlineAtmx2000 From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 4576 posts, RR: 37
Reply 23, posted (8 years 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 12432 times:

Quoting CHRISBA777ER (Reply 15):
So Boeing has a stake in BA? News to me.

BA just happens to be Boeing's stock symbol?  Wink



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User currently offlineJacobin777 From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 14968 posts, RR: 60
Reply 24, posted (8 years 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 12383 times:

Quoting WINGS (Reply 7):
I would also add the A321

Hi Wings.. Smile

I see some of their A321 routes to be interesting...

Would some of these A321's be via GT or BA? Regardless..I think BA adding some extra A321's to the fleet would be nice... Smile


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Quoting WINGS (Reply 7):
In regards to the B748i it could very well be that BA is one of the stronger candidates to jump onboard the B748i program.

" He (BA Fleet Planning Director Robert Boyle) also revealed it "very much pushed Boeing to produce the 747-8."**

**-source:atwonline.com

Quoting CHRISBA777ER (Reply 4):
25+/- A319/20s for the LGW fleet

Interesting..as that would mean all of their 737's would be eventually phased out....that being said, the A32x in BA colours look amazing... yes 


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However, I'm saddened to see 737's leaving the BA fleet  Sad , I was fortunate to fly LHR-NCE-LHR with BA on Club Europe on a 737-500 back in 2003.. cloudnine 

Quoting NYC777 (Reply 11):
I know GE is not the most popular at BA but I think thye'll swallow that if they're given a good deal and that the aircraft (and engines) perform as advertized.

NYC777, that is incorrect.....BA have recently signed a $1.5 billion dollar 10-year engine maintenance contract with GE......that certainly puts some credibility with GE in BA's eyes...

Quoting CHRISBA777ER (Reply 14):
From the standpoint that most of the BA S/H stuff out of LGW is v leisure orientated you could see why if they did, but given that crew training may well be affected, and they would probably want the A319s at both LHR and LGW to be interchangable for more operational flexibility, i cant see it.

IIRC someone in BA management stated that though LGW is more leisure, there is enough business to keep the premium class (Club Europe)

Cheers..



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25 NYC777 : I stand corrected. Thank You.
26 BA777ER236 : I wouldn't be surprised if BA ordered a/c very soon, and I think most people within BA expect an order for 777-300ERs. I think this would be an excell
27 Post contains images CHRISBA777ER : I agree with you on the first and last but I suspect you will be disappointed as regards the middle one.
28 CHRISBA777ER : So a good reason to keep the full galleys then no?
29 Shenzhen : BA, along with SIA and Qantas were early pushers for the A3XX, so pushing and buying seem to be two different things at BA. Cheers
30 Post contains images N328KF : And Qantas was on the partnership committee for the 777. By the way, did Chandler decide the thread title?
31 CHRISBA777ER : Thats key to the ethos of the way BA does business - Keep your options open as flexibility is a markey advantage.
32 NYC777 : Well BA has been gearing it's fleet towards lower capacity lately I believe. Ordering the 77W would be further evidence of that.
33 TristarSteve : But not for long. They have just lost the contract to Virgin! There are some on order already. First delivery in Oct 07.
34 VV701 : I am not quite so sure. The original leases on the LGW 733s and 735s have expired but were extended - but for how long? And some of the aircraft have
35 CHRISBA777ER : Save for the AF A320-100s, I would think the BA -100 variants (they dont have the wingtip fences IIRC) have to be some of the eldest A320s around.
36 Atnight : That's new... why did Virgin submitted a bid to do the maintanance for GT's A320s when Virgin doesn't have any A320s?? Also, why wouldn't GT stick to
37 Stitch : I agree the 773ER makes sense for BA and if they're considering doubling the order, that's good news for Boeing. While I understand BA wanting to wait
38 VV701 : G-BUSB (c/n 006) was delivered to BCal on 31 March 88 just 14 days before BCal was merged into BA. At that date the only 320 in service was F-GFKA (c
39 Post contains images Jacobin777 : I only stated what I had read.... thanks for the information guys.... ...QF can't be forgiven for this...
40 Post contains links and images American777 : The 737NG's could have been a perfect replacement for BA classic 737's. Modified Airliner Photos:Design © Joe PerezTemplate © DAI - Dutch Aviation
41 Charlipr : My vote is for: 20 777-300ER's (ordered by Dec. 2006) 20-25 A319's (ordered by Dec. 2006) 45 748i's (ordered later; not by this Dec.) 45 787-? (ordere
42 BOE773 : What were the specific problems?
43 TristarSteve : No. BA once bought a B747 freighter, then sold it to Cathay where it still flies as B-HVY. All BAs current freighters are wet leased.
44 Post contains images Hb88 : Only if they're wanting to buy a similar looking aircraft with the same cramped cabin! The perfect replacement would be the A319 or A320. As much as
45 CHRISBA777ER : *quietly stands up next to Hb88*
46 NYC777 : Not if they buy the 787. The 748I and 787 will take advantage of a lot of commonalities in order to drive down operating costs, namely similar cockpi
47 CHRISBA777ER : They were absolute dogs to begin with. Bear in mind these are the lowest rated GE90s around - they were hanging on the 777-200As that BA got - BA dis
48 Shenzhen : 500 plus airframes ordered in 2006 isn't bad. I hope they do, as the 747 sold to nearly 90 different customers. Airbus need to get this jet in as man
49 BA787 : I think They will got fore about 15-20 777-300ER, 20 A380-800 and 40 787 aircraft That would be great
50 Gregtx : Exactly right....less seats...higher yield traffic. They have said before they are "tired of chasing their tail filling empty coach seats with promot
51 Post contains images CHRISBA777ER : *scratchychinsmiley* In my professional opinion, I am stating now, that I dont think thats going to happen.
52 EbbUK : BA have 20 slots for T7's booked so they will take those up from their American friends. Hb88 and ChrisBA777ER, British Airways will never buy a europ
53 8herveg : Surely BA would order more A319/20s to cover the Gatwick fleet? They have nearly 40 B737s there don't they? Correct me if I'm wrong. Also, if BA did o
54 GDB : Whilst a fast firming up of delivery for those restated 777 options is possible-and I have never heard from anyone within BA that they are 777-300ER,
55 Shamrock_747 : It seems very strange that BA in the Middle East have apparently said to the press "We are going to announce new orders by the end of 2006", yet BA's
56 Madairdrie : IMO I think giving the quote and what seems to be a diffrent picture from London, I think we might see a small order for 777-300ER's to solve the prob
57 Hb88 : Well, we will see. You imply some sort of deep-held antipathy towards Airbus widebodies which overrides any commercial or business case. Sorry, no di
58 BOE773 : So were there any significant mechanical problems?
59 EbbUK : The times may have changed since King, Ayling and Eddington were in charge but they never bought the right plane for BA 332&3 so can't see how they'l
60 Hb88 : Old myths die hard. But this is one which is a useful catch-all excuse for the Boeing-boys whenever Airbus garner an order - "yeah man, you know they
61 Post contains links ANstar : I believe they only have 10 booked with delivery from 2008 onwards. Not yet confirmed as they are waiting for th epensions issue to be resolved. They
62 AirbusA6 : BA are continually shuffling aircraft around, as long haul their mix isn't quite right. If they could have bought 10 fewer 744s and 10-15 more 772ERs
63 BOE773 : They could fill some A380s on some of their current routes with passengers if they had them now, but there would be more flexibility with 748s. In oth
64 YULWinterSkies : Isn't there already the 767 for these routes? And aren't these on the priority list for a replacement? The 332 might be unlikely, but not impossible.
65 A340600 : Hold off! I am not totally sure we will see this happening quite yet, LGW needs to turn over a profit first, which it is working towards. Also 737's
66 Post contains images BAStew : As long as whatever we get are fitted with crew rest bunks I will be happy!
67 Keesje : There is a chance of BA ordering the 747-8i, certainly after it has proved itself in operation.
68 Jacobin777 : sure, but we know the inevitable...like LH and AF..those 737's are going...
69 Post contains images UAL757 : They should order the 787!!
70 Stitch : Aye. The 787-8 is going to be a big step-up from the 767-300s in capacity, but would offer more range and efficiency with similar payloads to the A33
71 RichM : A few weeks ago I was looking at a BA 757-200 photo on a.net, and in the caption it said that the 757's would be leaving the BA fleet soon. Does anyon
72 Shamrock_747 : It's not true. The 757 fleet will not use T5 however they do have a future after 2008, operating routes to Italy and Spain from T3.
73 Post contains links and images VV701 : The three 744Fs operated by Global Supply Systems are all operated exclusively for British Airways World Cargo. They include G-GSSA: View Large View
74 Richardw : Very true.
75 8herveg : I should imagine the 757s will leave the fleet in 2011, when the second satellite has been built at T5, and all the remaining BA flights from T3 (Spa
76 VV701 : If BA were thinking of retiring any aircraft around this time do you not think they would keep them until after August 2012 to give them additional c
77 8herveg : Actually yes perhaps your right. That would make sense. Thanks for the pointer! After that though, I think they should be long gone. Although I have
78 Post contains images CHRISBA777ER : Dont talk soft. 757 Takeoff - thats all you need to know.
79 GDB : Today it was announced the BA New Airways Pension Scheme deficit topped £2 billion. One thing we can say with some certaintly is that getting this so
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