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Ryanair Criticised After Woman Dies On Flight  
User currently offlineBraybuddy From Ireland, joined Aug 2004, 5741 posts, RR: 32
Posted (8 years 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 17413 times:

http://www.unison.ie/irish_independe...hp3?ca=9&si=1694841&issue_id=14689

You need to be a member to access the story, and I can't include it for copyright reasons, but here is an excerpt:

Airline criticised over lack of 'basic' equipment for mid-air lifesaving bid

A NURSE who had to give unprotected mouth-to-mouth resuscitation to a dying passenger on a Ryanair plane has hit out at the lack of medical equipment.

Kate Douglas, who was returning from a holiday in Venice, rushed to the aid of a 24-year-old au pair who had collapsed at the rear of the plane.

But she said the Ryanair staff were unable to provide her with any latex gloves or a resuscitation mask.

"I was basically giving that girl who I didn't know, mouth-to-mouth CPR, exchanging fluids. I wasn't not going to do it, but it's not a nice position to be placed in," she said.

The medical emergency arose on the Ryanair flight from Treviso in Italy to Dublin last Friday. The captain of the plane appealed for any medical personnel to come forward and Mrs Douglas, another Irish nurse and an Italian doctor all responded.

Mrs Douglas, from Youghal in Cork, said she could not believe the plane did not have basic medical equipment, such as an airway device or an ambu-bag which is used to force air into the lungs of people with breathing problems.

[Edited 2006-09-28 10:55:05]

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User currently offlineKappel From Suriname, joined Jul 2005, 3533 posts, RR: 17
Reply 1, posted (8 years 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 17401 times:

And more good publicity for FR. Not that it makes any difference, pax numbers continue to grow. But I will most certainly never fly them, for a variety of reasons. Like not flying to the city I want to go to.


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User currently offlineUA777300ER From Belgium, joined Jun 2006, 96 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (8 years 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 17401 times:

Is this just a problem with Ryanair not having them, or is it just not required to have them? Do other airlines have them?

Thanks,
Tom


User currently offlineCHRISBA777ER From UK - England, joined Mar 2001, 5964 posts, RR: 62
Reply 3, posted (8 years 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 17401 times:

She had a brain haemorrage - its not as if they could have done anything anyway. Another oppo for a dig at FR.

Normally they deserve it but this sensationalist nonsense serves nobody. They insinuate that FR were indirectly responsible because they didnt have enough FA gear.

Point is - they carried all they needed to under regs, so wheres the problem. Its not FR that need to change, its the H&S regs.



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User currently offlineKappel From Suriname, joined Jul 2005, 3533 posts, RR: 17
Reply 4, posted (8 years 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 17360 times:

Quoting CHRISBA777ER (Reply 3):
Normally they deserve it but this sensationalist nonsense serves nobody. They insinuate that FR were indirectly responsible because they didnt have enough FA gear.

True, the media is always over-sensasionalist and they love to rip at FR. But I don't mind, I don't like 'em either. Look I respect what MOL has achieved, certainly worthy of a commendation. Taking a small insignificant airline and turning it into one of Europe's biggest. But I will always be very happy to pay more to avoid them.



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User currently offlineBraybuddy From Ireland, joined Aug 2004, 5741 posts, RR: 32
Reply 5, posted (8 years 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 17283 times:

Quoting UA777300ER (Reply 2):
Do other airlines have them?

Apparently, under European aviation regulations, all planes on short-haul flights must have first-aid kits containing a list of 24 items, including one resuscitation mask and two pairs of latex gloves. There is no requirement to have medical equipment such as airway devices or ambu-bags.

MOL was on radio stating that there was a resuscitation mask in the kit, which was removed afterwards. Both nurses are adamant that there was no resuscitation mask on board, and the doctor backs them up on this.

A quote from one of the nurses:
"They didn't have any type of airway equipment although they did provide us with an oxygen bag and an oxygen cylinder. The staff did their best but they didn't seem to have much competence in first aid or CPR - one air hostess said she was only trained to take a pulse."

While the equiment wouldn't have been able to save the woman, the incident does raise serious questions.


User currently offlineCwldude From United Kingdom, joined May 2006, 691 posts, RR: 1
Reply 6, posted (8 years 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 17238 times:

Quoting Braybuddy (Reply 5):
While the equiment wouldn't have been able to save the woman, the incident does raise serious questions.

Exactly what I was thinking, if it was just a breathing problem, and all that was needed was CPR, that nurse could have saved her with the appropriate kit, however, she would have been well within her right to say she wasn't going to do it because FR didnt have on to provide, then the woman would have died.

Whilst Ryanair are in no way responsible for this horrible incident, it once again proves their lack of safety! and how the hell can MOL say there was a kit there when he wasn't even on-board? I doubt the nurses and doctor would lie about something like this, knowing full well it's probably going to get FR into serious trouble, and I do genuinely hope they get an ass kicking for this, because it's more than just your average FR problem!



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User currently offlineADXMatt From United States of America, joined Jul 2006, 951 posts, RR: 2
Reply 7, posted (8 years 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 17212 times:

Quoting CHRISBA777ER (Reply 3):
Point is - they carried all they needed to under regs, so wheres the problem. Its not FR that need to change, its the H&S regs.

I disagree.... While the regs may need to change, remember that these are the minimum.

While I am not singling FR out in any means, I'm sure other airlines only carry the minimum.

With the amount of people flying these days why are they putting their employees at risk to disease by not having "basic" supplies.

Sometimes the media can bring the issue to the surface to get the rules changed or for companies to "do the right thing".


User currently offlineToulouse From Switzerland, joined Apr 2005, 2758 posts, RR: 58
Reply 8, posted (8 years 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 17212 times:

Quoting Cwldude (Reply 6):
Whilst Ryanair are in no way responsible for this horrible incident, it once again proves their lack of safety! and how the hell can MOL say there was a kit there when he wasn't even on-board? I



Quoting Cwldude (Reply 6):
and I do genuinely hope they get an ass kicking for this, because it's more than just your average FR problem!

I fully agree with your two above quotes Cwldude.

This just yet again goes to show the all the faults, cost-cutting measures, lack of added-value services, lack of basic essential facilities and the complete arrogance of MO'L, and to be honest his claiming that the equipment was available, thus accusing a doctor and two nurses of not telling the truth, just shows how stupid and desperate this man is.



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User currently offlineBrightCedars From Belgium, joined Nov 2004, 1289 posts, RR: 2
Reply 9, posted (8 years 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 16959 times:

Guys, what do we know about airlines other than FR having this medical gear?
Do we have facts that compare FR and others' medical kits and show that they are more basic, sticking to the rule, and not innovative?
I'm not a fan of FR but I'd like to know if flying another airline would have put the medical people in a different position, despite this young girl's life apparently being an almost certain loss. RIP



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User currently offlineTheSunseeker From Netherlands, joined Apr 2006, 218 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (8 years 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 16946 times:

Quoting CHRISBA777ER (Reply 3):
She had a brain haemorrage - its not as if they could have done anything anyway.

Thats not the point.

You dont need all hospital equipment on board but the fact that they did not even have latex gloves on board is a reflection of the quality Ryanair (and perhabs other airlines as well) provide.

I think I've read something about airlines having defibrillators on board.



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User currently offlinePe@rson From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2001, 19233 posts, RR: 52
Reply 11, posted (8 years 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 16910 times:

As long as it complies with the legal requirements, I fail to see the problem, not least because it would be impossible and naive to assume that you can have equipment in case of any conceivable problem. However, if they fail to meet the requirements, then they should – like all airlines if they breach the requirements – be dealt with.

Quoting Cwldude (Reply 6):
Whilst Ryanair are in no way responsible for this horrible incident, it once again proves their lack of safety!

LOL. If their "lack of safety" was so bad they'd have fatal crashes. Guess what? They don't. Evidently, their safety is very good, not least because it's the number-one consideration, particularly for LCCs: ignorant people, like you, assume they're less safe, so they have to prove they're extra safe. Clearly, you are confusing two issues: safety in this sense is irrelevant.



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User currently offlineAerospaceFan From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (8 years 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 16899 times:

I don't see any reason why it wouldn't be a good idea to require basic medical supplies on board every commercial aircraft. Perhaps this should include latex gloves and other simple and inexpensive medical items of this nature.

In fact, up until now, I have never questioned that first-aid supplies are required equipment aboard commercial aircraft.


User currently offlineCornish From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2005, 8187 posts, RR: 54
Reply 13, posted (8 years 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 16899 times:

Quoting BrightCedars (Reply 9):
Guys, what do we know about airlines other than FR having this medical gear?
Do we have facts that compare FR and others' medical kits and show that they are more basic, sticking to the rule, and not innovative?
I'm not a fan of FR but I'd like to know if flying another airline would have put the medical people in a different position, despite this young girl's life apparently being an almost certain loss. RIP

 checkmark  I suspect if you did a spot check on the aircraft of most airlines around the world, more than a few would be found lacking in all the essential medical equipment required by law. LCC or full service.



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User currently offlineN1120A From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 26534 posts, RR: 75
Reply 14, posted (8 years 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 16878 times:

Quoting Braybuddy (Thread starter):
But she said the Ryanair staff were unable to provide her with any latex gloves or a resuscitation mask.

That is absolutely ridiculous. In the US, that would incur at least a major fine.

Quoting Braybuddy (Thread starter):
"I was basically giving that girl who I didn't know, mouth-to-mouth CPR, exchanging fluids. I wasn't not going to do it, but it's not a nice position to be placed in," she said.

Well, that is kind of F'ed up too. You aren't going to get HIV or Hepatitis C from that, so you don't just leave the person to die. If anything, get a piece of plastic and fashion your own mask

Quoting TheSunseeker (Reply 10):
I think I've read something about airlines having defibrillators on board.

In the US, every carrier must carry one and all flight crews must be trained to use them.



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User currently offlineAerospaceFan From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 15, posted (8 years 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 16862 times:

Many of the concerns expressed in this thread seem valid to me. My opinion is that all airlines should aspire toward at least a minimum reasonable level of first-aid provisioning, and while no airline should be singled out, I believe that passengers should not be required to accept the lowest common denominator theory of assistance.

Further, by the same token, I personally would be surprised to learn that any airline would accept that their flight attendants would be unable to administer CPR. (Nor am I suggesting that Ryanair accepts it, or that there was any particular failure or any other wrongdoing relative to the events in the story in question. I have no opinion in this regard.)

[Edited 2006-09-28 13:52:07]

User currently offline747400F From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (8 years 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 16819 times:

I have seen LCC staff use latex gloves when dealing with rubbish onboard, could they not have lend those to the nurses? or would they have to pay for that, in true MOL style?

User currently offlineMDorBust From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 17, posted (8 years 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 16797 times:

Quoting Braybuddy (Thread starter):
But she said the Ryanair staff were unable to provide her with any latex gloves or a resuscitation mask.

Hell, I have that stuff on me and I'm not a medical professional. Why didn't two nurses and a doctor have it?


User currently offlineANCFlyer From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 18, posted (8 years 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 16791 times:

Quoting Braybuddy (Thread starter):
But she said the Ryanair staff were unable to provide her with any latex gloves or a resuscitation mask.

I sympathize with the nurse. Amongst my qualifications, I am an EMT. I always have gloves and a mask with me . . . whether in my squad car or my personal vehicle. I also carry them in my computer bag. They take up little room and would be a small price to pay if I was presented with a situation in which I needed them, and they were not available.

Two thoughts here:

Perhaps the nurse should consider carrying at least latex gloves in the future.

Perhaps she was in the habit of carrying them but current carryon restrictions in/out of the UK prevented it this time?

Quoting CHRISBA777ER (Reply 3):
She had a brain haemorrage - its not as if they could have done anything anyway.

Irrelevent really. No one could know that at the time . . . you do what you have to do until you can't do it any longer . . .

Quoting Braybuddy (Reply 5):
While the equiment wouldn't have been able to save the woman, the incident does raise serious questions.

 checkmark 

Quoting N1120A (Reply 14):
You aren't going to get HIV or Hepatitis C from that, so you don't just leave the person to die.

That may be true - however, I can assure you that every single instance of Mouth to Mouth I've read about or heard about isn't necessarily done text book fashion . . . what generally occurs is that air gets in to the stomach - as well as the lungs - and the victim vomits. One of the points that is constantly stressed during training and refresher courses in regard to the need for a mask is 'self protection from disease' and 'a vomit shield'. In fact, the masks are more commonly referred to as "Vomit Shields" rather than the proper name. Now . . . I don't know about you, but the idea of having some victim vomit into my mouth isn't exactly the most appealing thing to me . . .  vomit 

Quoting N1120A (Reply 14):
Quoting TheSunseeker (Reply 10):
I think I've read something about airlines having defibrillators on board.

In the US, every carrier must carry one and all flight crews must be trained to use them.

 checkmark 

And modern defib units are idiot proof really . . . if the pads are properly placed the machine will tell you exactly what to do and when . . .


User currently offlineN1120A From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 26534 posts, RR: 75
Reply 19, posted (8 years 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 16790 times:

Quoting ANCFlyer (Reply 18):
In fact, the masks are more commonly referred to as "Vomit Shields" rather than the proper name. Now . . . I don't know about you, but the idea of having some victim vomit into my mouth isn't exactly the most appealing thing to me . . .

If it meant someone's life, puke away.



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User currently offlineANCFlyer From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 20, posted (8 years 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 16706 times:

Quoting N1120A (Reply 19):
Quoting ANCFlyer (Reply 18):
In fact, the masks are more commonly referred to as "Vomit Shields" rather than the proper name. Now . . . I don't know about you, but the idea of having some victim vomit into my mouth isn't exactly the most appealing thing to me . . .

If it meant someone's life, puke away.

That is, of course, the concensus, however - a little protection can't hurt . . .


User currently offlineRyanairCRL From France, joined Dec 2005, 190 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (8 years 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 16650 times:

Quoting AerospaceFan (Reply 15):
Nor am I suggesting that Ryanair accepts it,

We're trained to give CPR, we all know the theory and practice it during training. Now I'd trust that doing it on a doll and on someone dying is very different...

Quoting AerospaceFan (Reply 15):
minimum reasonable level of first-aid provisioning

we carry 3 First-Aid kits in all aircraft. 1 for daily use (bandages, air sickness tablets,...) and 2 complying with JAR Ops, and which include "barrier mask" and gloves. And you'll find the gloves in the smaller one as well.
I personnally have a pair of gloves in the inside pocket of my jacket...because you never know.

As for defibrillators, I beleive they are only mandatory on long-haul flights, but I'm not sure about that.

Quoting Cwldude (Reply 6):
it once again proves their lack of safety!

a few months ago, a woman died on a flight in the US. the crew only realised it when she didn't get out of her seat at the end of the flight....



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User currently offlineEDDB From Germany, joined Aug 2006, 244 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (8 years 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 16569 times:

Fact is that the two nurses and the docctor couldn't find what is minimum equipment in the onboard doctors kit, a resuscitation mask and latex gloves, and I don't see why they should have any reason not to tell the truth...
So that leaves us with two conclusions... Either it wasn't there or it was there and the flight crew did not know where and what to look for!
Both not tolerable imo...


User currently offlineBraybuddy From Ireland, joined Aug 2004, 5741 posts, RR: 32
Reply 23, posted (8 years 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 16487 times:

Quoting MDorBust (Reply 17):
Hell, I have that stuff on me and I'm not a medical professional. Why didn't two nurses and a doctor have it?

If you fly Ryanair you have to pay for checked-in baggage. So people tend to cut down on luggage and bung what they have into a carry-on hold-all. Seeing the flight was coming from Venice I assume they were on holiday.

Also, maybe they did have it and it was in their checked baggage.


User currently offlineKevin777 From Denmark, joined Sep 2006, 1165 posts, RR: 1
Reply 24, posted (8 years 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 16468 times:

Guys... great debate here, and I won't enter it!.. Just a little question from a new kid on the block who joined three days ago: What does MOL stand for???
..'Cause I guess it isn't Molde Airport in Norway..

Hope it isn't an embarresing question.... Yeah sure

Kevin777



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25 LTBEWR : In either case, Ryanair should face a money fine to make sure the do comply with the EC or national rule they have to comply with as to stocking such
26 RyanairCRL : Michael O'Leary, FR's CEO
27 Post contains images Cornish : Michael O'Leary - CEO of Ryanair and Pe@rson's Dad
28 EDDB : Since all three were involved I assume they are capable of determining if these things were once there or missing at all, don't you think?
29 Kevin777 : Okay that was kind of embarresing actually... but thanks! Kevin777
30 Call911mfc : I'm an EMT as well and can echo ANC. Here in the US, even professionals have the right to refuse treatment without the proper protective devices. Doe
31 Braybuddy : Another quote from the article: "Ryanair said all of its aircraft were stocked with two security-sealed first-aid kits, as required under the regulat
32 Pe@rson : And Cornish's uncle and lover.
33 Richardw : Be careful Pe@rson you could get banned again from this site.
34 Post contains images Cornish : That makes you my cousin
35 Post contains images Pe@rson : Whatever floats your boat. [Edited 2006-09-28 15:37:43]
36 Post contains images Cornish : water usually
37 Post contains images Pe@rson : You're as funny as a blind warthog running into a brick wall.
38 CHRISBA777ER : LOL what are you on about? Thats hilarious!
39 Pe@rson : I have no idea. But one thing’s for sure: I am perfectly normal – my 5 physiatrists say so.
40 CHRISBA777ER : Is that even a word?
41 KrisYYZ : This is news to me; I was under the impression that all aircraft have to carry full resuscitation equipment (defibrillator, ACLS drugs and airway kit)
42 Pe@rson : Probably not. Hello, my name is Pe@rson.
43 Traineepilot : Why dig them for this? You dont see that kind of equipment on buses. Airlines are no hospitals, they a people transporters effectively. Aslong as they
44 SK736 : Isn't that stating the blindingly obvious? Who would fly with any airline that didn't fly to the city they wanted to go to?
45 Post contains images TheSunseeker : Hell yeah...perfectly said! Because the nurses are not responsible for the flight operation! If there is a medical emergency on a bus, you stop the b
46 AerospaceFan : Thanks, TheSunseeker; I really appreciate that. I think that many passengers appreciate that airline travel is essentially the highest form of long-r
47 Toulouse : Excellent response TheSunseeker to Traineepilot, just what I was planning on responding when I read his post.
48 Post contains images MarkHKG : I don't think the nurse is at fault at all...she has the right not to be a "good samaritan". Considering that the cabin crew is in charge of passenge
49 BAStew : The simple fact is, no matter what the medical emergency if the condition (what ever it is) leads to the casualty to stop breathing, equipment and tra
50 Post contains images TheSunseeker : Thank You, Toulouse To me "not knowing where the kit is" is far worse than "not having one on board". Anyway, we all know "Ryanair" (and others) and
51 Braybuddy : . . . or that they weren't on board at all.
52 Traineepilot : Point taken, but by the same token, an airline takes a person from point a, to point b, bottom line is, that is their responsibility.
53 Ultrapig : You all are missing the point-Apparently the passenger's family was incensed because Ryanair charged a 50% surcharge to her for dying on the flight si
54 Access-Air : One could make the same excuse about not wanting to drive to work for fear that some one might be out there driving without insurance and might hit t
55 Post contains images DavestanKSAN : I was gunna say the same thing. Well I might not have said rubbish . At least when I was on the ramp and we had to clean planes on turns, sometimes F
56 Post contains images AerospaceFan : Thanks, DavestanKSAN! I appreciate your nice comment.[Edited 2006-09-28 21:23:56]
57 Cumulus : Rediculous comment. If this is the case it's a pretty piss poor effort. I know for a fact that BA, BMI, Cathay, Emirates and Monarch (and I'm sure ma
58 Tarheel : You're talking nosense. The complaints were BEFORE anyone knew she had a brain hemorrhage (please note correct spelling). These brave and heroic peop
59 Post contains images Allstarflyer : More something along the lines of this . . . I like your take on this. If it does mean somebody's life, then, by all means, use whatever necessary to
60 Prebennorholm : Right, Bill Busdriver on Greyhound will call an ambulance from fifty or a hundred miles away, if his cell phone is online. And when on a train, a fel
61 N1120A : Yes it is, particularly when doctors are involved Apparently there were doctors involved here, which means they violated their hypocratic oath.
62 MarkHKG : The Hippocratic Oath is "do no harm" , not "get in harms way". Nurses, doctors and other medical professionals are under no obligation to respond to
63 Braybuddy : They did their best. There was one doctor and two nurses, and to quote one of the nurses "We were in extreme difficulty doing the CPR because we didn
64 Cumulus : Sorry Braybuddy!!!
65 Aa757first : In the United States, airlines carry three main types of kits. Standard first aid kits, with bandages, tape, CPR masks, gloves, etc. Then there is th
66 FSPilot747 : Did she have an anyurism? Poor girl, 24 years old and out of the blue she dies.
67 Ken777 : I'm not a medical professional, but my wife is - she's been a physiotherapist for 40 years and has seen a lot of changes during that time. The one thi
68 Aztec01 : I remember that the next time someone collapses...it's probably a brain hemorrhage so there's no point in doing anything. It probably won't work anyw
69 Spark : This is very easy, and doesn't need that much discussion. Even though the poor woman had a brain hemorrage and there was nothing the nurses could do,
70 N1120A : Ethically, they absolutely are. By not aiding in an emergency, they are doing harm.
71 BA84 : Every Air Canada plane carries a defibrillator.
72 Aussieindc : If she was to pass an accident on the road, would she think twice before giving mouth to mouth if someone needed resuscitation, even if she didn't hav
73 MarkHKG : "Enhanced Medical Kit" or EMK Let me re-emphasize that off duty medical professionals have no LEGAL obligation to respond to emergencies. The people
74 Call911mfc : If they had the equipment and used it improperly, they could be held liable for negligence. However, without the proper equipment (gloves, barrier de
75 FlyingDoctorWu : Being trained in a CPR class is one thing.... Being able to perform in an emergency situation is another I know doctors, nurses, and etc etc who have
76 Aa757first : She performed CPR on the patient without the barrier. So, to answer your question, no, she would not. However, its reasonable to expect that an aircr
77 Toulouse : Please tell me you're not seriously (yet sadly knowing Michael O'Leary it wouldn't surprise me at all!). Where did you see this? If true, Ryanair has
78 Halophila : I am presently in a serodiscordant relationship (meaning one of us is HIV +ve, one is -ve), and though this has nothing to do with aviation, thought
79 TheSunseeker : That is very impressive!! It will take less for the helo to arrive than for the Jumbo to land. This is not about bashing FR! Its not about wanting a
80 Post contains images TheSunseeker : Why didnt you come on earlier in this discussion. Very well said!!
81 Braybuddy : A simple solution to the problem of insufficent medical kit on aircraft would be for the regulatory authorities to do a swoop at airports and ground a
82 Post contains images TheSunseeker : Offtopic: My sister was in a similar situation enroute SFO-FRA. Some guy couldnt find his bag. He tried to run to the lavs, but didnt make it. He vom
83 CHRISBA777ER : No the point i was trying to make (AND TARHEEL TAKE NOTE) - that the way the press have handled it implies that the fact it happened on an FR plane c
84 Post contains images Cumulus : Yeah, good idea. Why not bother putting first aid kits on any form of transport? Let them all suffer. If you want to be a pilot you better start tryi
85 Post contains links Braybuddy : I should have posted this earlier, but here's an excellent interview with one of the nurses who describes the whole incident from start to finish. htt
86 Post contains images Cumulus : May be the aircrew didn't use the first aid kit as it would be taken out of their wages like their uniforms?
87 Post contains images MarkHKG : I hate to say it, but as it turns out certain buses in some countries ARE REQUIRED to carry first aid kits. And yes, they have gloves in them. hehe..
88 Call911mfc : Thanks for sharing something personal to give us all a different take on this subject. Sometimes it's hard to get people to realize how important it
89 Post contains links Cumulus : There's a mention of Medlink here in this trip report by a EK pilot. RE: Pilot's Trip Report EK DXB-SIN-MEL & Back (pics) (by AnneTooh Sep 16 2006 in
90 Infodesk : I totally agree with you. I'm no nurse and if I was in a situation where someone needed mouth-to-mouth, I very much doubt I would stop and think what
91 Express1 : It doesnt matter if the flight is short haul or long haul,the matter is that every airline flying today should have the right medical aquipment on boa
92 TheSunseeker : Cumulus, thanks for bringing that up. I absolutly enjoyed reading that Emirates trip report. Mindblowing quality!
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