Falstaff From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 6398 posts, RR: 29 Posted (9 years 4 months 2 weeks 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 122505 times:
I was looking over my NWA World Perks statement yesterday and I got to wondering what all the class letters mean. F is first and I believe Y is full fare coach. What do all the other letters mean? I have several K class tickets. Everytime I have bought a ticket it has been on NWA.com and I simply choose a flight that is convenient for when and where I want to go. How come sometimes it is Y and sometimes it is K when the millage statement comes?
N1120A From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 28855 posts, RR: 74
Reply 1, posted (9 years 4 months 2 weeks 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 122490 times:
Basically, each letter represents a fare level (or class if you wish). F almost always means First, J or C means full fare business and Y is full fare Economy. Other letters mean something other than the full fare. It is not uncommon to see 2 letters for First, 3 for Business, and 10-15 for Economy.
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9MMAR From Malaysia, joined Jul 2006, 2110 posts, RR: 17
Reply 4, posted (9 years 4 months 2 weeks 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 122408 times:
Good question. Sometimes I am also wondering what actually does it means. One thing for sure, each letter will have a variable impact on the miles which the carrier is going to award the passenger.
As far as I concern, from my experience with Malaysian carriers:
F - First Class (200% miles)
(I think P is also sometimes referred to First Class. Or was it the Premium Business?)
C - Full fare Business Class (150% miles)
D - Discounted fare Business Class (125% miles)
(I know that sometimes J is also used for Business Class ticket)
Y - Full fare Economy (100% miles)
Q, M - Discounted fare Economy (M - 100% miles, Q - 70% miles)
S - Fare on routes operate on a single class configuration. In MH's case (through my experience), it is on it's Fokker 50 fleets, both domestic and international (100% miles. Recently MH changed it to only 30% miles)
There's also codes for award flight tickets on all three classes which I forgot what letter it is.
MH has A, W, K, H, B, L, V, I, R, T, N, G and Z which I don't know what does it means. G for group travelling?
AK, an LCC also has these codes, in pricing order (the cheapest to the highest): O, P, L, M and K.
I think the codes doesn't have the same meaning as both MH and AK have code P, but in MH it relates to First Class while AK is an LCC. Do the airline creates their own codes? No, right?
777MAS From Malaysia, joined Sep 2003, 198 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (9 years 4 months 2 weeks 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 122371 times:
Quoting 9MMAR (Reply 4): There's also codes for award flight tickets on all three classes which I forgot what letter it is.
I've been on award tickets on MH's domestic ops, and the class is T. There was once I redeemed for an upgrade to Business Class (also on domestic) - the class was D.
Quoting 9MMAR (Reply 4): MH has A, W, K, H, B, L, V, I, R, T, N, G and Z which I don't know what does it means. G for group travelling?
To my knowledge, L and V are "low" class - previously, no FFB mileage could be earned on these. I understand it's now 30% for L. On domestic, V is for Senior Citizen tickets and Group fares (GV3).
Quoting 9MMAR (Reply 4): Do the airline creates their own codes? No, right?
I think they do. So, the codes will vary from airline to airline, except for the First and Biz class codes, I think. For example, at SQ, G, X, N and Q are the "low" classes (no FFP mileage), while at MH, it's L and V.
BHXDTW From Eritrea, joined Feb 2005, 1103 posts, RR: 5
Reply 8, posted (9 years 4 months 2 weeks 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 122320 times:
Heres a screen dump of what I see when booking flights thru Galileo..
you can plainly see the available 'booking' classes and what is available..
usually the max amount of seats in each 'booking' class is 9 or 7 ..
BA is usually 9 as you can see...
Captaink From Mexico, joined May 2001, 5116 posts, RR: 11
Reply 9, posted (9 years 4 months 2 weeks 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 122158 times:
It does vary from airline to airline. So you need to investigate your particular airline to get a better idea. But as mentioned, generally, F - First, J-Business & Y - Economy, those are the full fares. The rest are usually discounted in someway and with more restrictions.
YL - I understand is "Low" Full Fare
YH - "High" Full Fare
K7M3 - My understanding is "K" class, 7 day advance purchase, minimum 3-day stay
If you look at teh different fare basis, you can quite easily get boggled just from the amount there are... each airlines are different.. for instance you say YL is low full fare wheras over here BA 'YPLUS' is Full fare Economy for BA Connex or YFLBA for mainline BA..
Also you then have the various fare rules.
I just did one where it was LHR MUC LHR...
Out bound with BA was VEUNCBA (V class) in economy and was changeable for GBP30.00 plus fare diff / nonref .. but return was DEUNBA which was the lowest Business booking class available and was NON CHANGEABLE and NON REFUNDABL ... and that was business class wheras the outbound was economy.. so its all swings and roundabouts..
American airlines such as AA/UA/CO have crazy long fare rules and lots of fare basis codes..
Lincoln From United States of America, joined Nov 2004, 3887 posts, RR: 7
Reply 12, posted (9 years 4 months 2 weeks 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 121969 times:
Quoting BHXDTW (Reply 11): If you look at teh different fare basis, you can quite easily get boggled just from the amount there are
Quoting BHXDTW (Reply 11): American airlines such as AA/UA/CO have crazy long fare rules and lots of fare basis codes..
...The less expensive the fare, the more bizare/hard to follow the fare rules are (If it's a tuesday, I'm on a a S-class fare, am over 23.5 years, and I stand on my head I can stand by for an earlier flight, but if it's a Wedndesday and I had a hamburger for lunch, I'm SOL)
Not to mention the "endorsement" reuirements
NONREF/CHGFEE/VLD AA ONLY/SURNDR 1ST BN CHD/CXL BY FLT DT OR 0VAL
(kidding, of course, about the middle component)
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FlyDeltaJets87 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (9 years 4 months 2 weeks 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 121943 times:
Quoting Lincoln (Reply 12): ...The less expensive the fare, the more bizare/hard to follow the fare rules are (If it's a tuesday, I'm on a a S-class fare, am over 23.5 years, and I stand on my head I can stand by for an earlier flight, but if it's a Wedndesday and I had a hamburger for lunch, I'm SOL)
Every a.netter's favorite analogy: Buying Paint from a Hardware Store versus Buying Paint from an Airline:
BUYING PAINT FROM A HARDWARE STORE
Customer: Hi. How much is your paint?
Clerk: We have regular quality for $12 a gallon and premium for $18. How
many gallons would you like?
Customer: Five gallons of regular quality, please.
Clerk: Great. That will be $60 plus tax.
BUYING PAINT FROM AN AIRLINE
Customer: Hi, how much is your paint?
Clerk: Well, sir, that all depends.
Customer: Depends on what?
Clerk: Actually, a lot of things.
Customer: How about giving me an average price?
Clerk: Wow, that's too hard a question. The lowest price is $9 a gallon, and
we have 150 different prices up to $200 a gallon.
Customer: What's the difference in the paint?
Clerk: Oh, there isn't any difference; it's all the same paint.
Customer: Well, then, I'd like some of that $9 paint.
Clerk: Well, first I need to ask you a few questions. When do you intend to
Customer: I want to paint tomorrow, on my day off.
Clerk: Sir, the paint for tomorrow is the $200 paint.
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bedroom, you will be in violation of our tariffs.
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True, all airlines are different when it comes to letters for different booking classes etc..... but I think that at least F and C - and maybe also Y - in general is the same for most IATA airlines, because these are the fares that the airlines use for their interlines. For instance, I'm pretty sure that if you book a C class on SK CPHLON, you can also use the ticket on BA's flights CPH-LON - BA would sent in the coupon to IATA/BSP for clearing, and they would receive the money from SAS via IATA. So, no problem even though SK and BA are not in the same alliance. With this ticket, however, you could not fly Sterling og Easyjet LGW/STN-CPH because they are not in IATA.
The IATA fares in Europe are usually priced like deregulation never happened, and discounted business fares are usually a lot cheaper. However, these are only eligible on the issuing carrier.
"I was waiting for you at DFW, but you must have been in LUV" CPH-HAM-CPH CR9