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The Final Days Of Mesaba (XJ)?  
User currently offlineClipper707 From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 99 posts, RR: 0
Posted (7 years 10 months 4 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 7874 times:

The word going around the airport today is that the airline will run out of cash and shut down on Oct 13th. Many employees have already left the company and many more are on their way to other carriers. How sad is this! A great regional to cease operations what a shame.  thumbsdown   tombstone   weeping 


The Clippers Gone But Not Forgotten
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User currently offlineKarlB737 From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 3100 posts, RR: 10
Reply 1, posted (7 years 10 months 4 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 7842 times:

Courtesy: Minneapolis Star-Tribune

Mesaba Creditors To Pursue MAIR Claims

http://www.startribune.com/535/story/706373.html


User currently offlineJFKLGANYC From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 3431 posts, RR: 5
Reply 2, posted (7 years 10 months 4 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 7795 times:

I'm very sad that the employees will lose their jobs. This is a very sad situtation on every level.

But the concessions they asked for from their already low-paid staff were just too much for employees to bear. We knew this day had to come to the airline industry sooner or later.

Airlines have been asking for more and more and more. Most RJ staff live at the poverty line to begin with; these are not the people to ask for concessions.

If my understanding is correct, NW forced Mesaba into bankruptcy when they stopped paying them as they entered bankruptcy. If that's so, shame on NW. They drove a good company out of business. Perhaps a harbinger of things to come.

PJ


User currently offlineScottB From United States of America, joined Jul 2000, 6742 posts, RR: 32
Reply 3, posted (7 years 10 months 4 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 7774 times:

Quoting JFKLGANYC (Reply 2):
If my understanding is correct, NW forced Mesaba into bankruptcy when they stopped paying them as they entered bankruptcy. If that's so, shame on NW. They drove a good company out of business. Perhaps a harbinger of things to come.

That's part of it, but the fact that most of Mesaba's liquid assets were transferred to MAIR also played a part. That's why the unsecured creditors are going to try to go after MAIR Holdings, as stated in the article.


User currently offlineTys777 From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 404 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (7 years 10 months 4 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 7677 times:

so what are going to happen to the SF3 that are operated to small airport such as TOL, CHA and the like?


Is it bad that I get excited to see even a CRJ overfly? Man, what this place does to you
User currently offlineKarlB737 From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 3100 posts, RR: 10
Reply 5, posted (7 years 10 months 4 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 7515 times:

Courtesy: WCCO-TV

NWA Talks Go On; Mesaba Looks To Reject Contracts

http://wcco.com/topstories/local_story_271183245.html


User currently offlineFutureFO From Ireland, joined Oct 2001, 3132 posts, RR: 21
Reply 6, posted (7 years 10 months 4 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 7515 times:

With losses of 1,000,000/day and very little left in the bank, it may not be that long until the go Ch.7.


I Don't know where I am anymore
User currently offlineNwafflyer From United States of America, joined Jul 2004, 1050 posts, RR: 2
Reply 7, posted (7 years 10 months 4 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 7497 times:

If Mesaba is/was such a great regional airline, why the awful gate waits on the C concourse in Detroit. If Mair is stripping assets, no wonder the workers are hurting -- had Mesaba stood up to the plate, like Pinnacle did, this would not have happened

User currently offlineCIDflyer From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 2281 posts, RR: 3
Reply 8, posted (7 years 10 months 4 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 7429 times:

Quoting Tys777 (Reply 4):
so what are going to happen to the SF3 that are operated to small airport such as TOL, CHA and the like?

could some of those be transferred back to Pinnacle? Didn't they previously operate them when they were operating under the name of Express I Airlines?
It would be hard to operate CRJ's to a lot of the smaller towns they serve. Alot of small communites only get the SF3 service from the MSP, DTW and MEM hubs.


User currently offlineNwafflyer From United States of America, joined Jul 2004, 1050 posts, RR: 2
Reply 9, posted (7 years 10 months 4 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 7406 times:

I much prefer Pinnacle (although I don't like the CRJ - I prefer the SAAB) - but the DTW gates are pure Mesaba on Concourse C and B - what will happen to those? Of course, can't be much worse than today - land at Cxx, wait 20 minutes for the gate agent to figure out the jet bridge, and then another 20 minutes for the gate checked luggage. then, you lose your mainline connection on the A concourse

User currently offlineB6WNQX From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 245 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (7 years 10 months 4 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 7390 times:

Would they possibly be able to pick up some CR7's and bid on the F9 RFP? I know that would cost a lot a money, but maybe F9 could cut them a deal or even purchase the company and then run the CR7's. Any thoughts?

User currently offlineNWA330 From United States of America, joined Sep 2006, 12 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (7 years 10 months 4 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 7380 times:

As an XJ employee at DTW, I have heard so many story's of what is going to happen. The basic facts are though, XJ is losing a million dollars a week, and they have 10 million dollars in "flexible cash" left. I heard this a week ago, so that would mean about 9 weeks left??? I dont even know, so many things could change. The other thing, I guess Northwest (if they shut XJ down) will do it before the new year, if they can, so it will not hurt the next fiscal quarter, I really dont know much about financial "talk" but that it what I heard. As for alot of employees leaving XJ, the only ones to leave here at DTW were ones fired for too many incursions i.e. too many call offs etc. It does hurt to see XJ go, or at least knowing that soon they will most likely be gone. A lot of the employees know it and are facing it, most of them already have another job to fall back on, as I do too, plus with the transportation industry, you are eligible to collect unemployment for one and a half years, the most of any industry.


nwa330
User currently offlineNorthwestEWR From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 419 posts, RR: 3
Reply 12, posted (7 years 10 months 4 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 7328 times:

Will Pinnacle pick up the Saabs and ground staff ? I'm planning on flying NWA to CID at the end of October and I'm wondering if I should consider booking on DL instead. ( That would mean CRJs which I HATE ! )


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User currently offlineCubsrule From United States of America, joined May 2004, 22866 posts, RR: 20
Reply 13, posted (7 years 10 months 4 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 7322 times:

Quoting CIDflyer (Reply 8):

could some of those be transferred back to Pinnacle? Didn't they previously operate them when they were operating under the name of Express I Airlines?

Yes, but it looks like the CRJ is the only airplane on 9E's certificate right now, so it wouldn't be a seamless transition.



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User currently offlineCIDflyer From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 2281 posts, RR: 3
Reply 14, posted (7 years 10 months 4 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 7155 times:

Quoting NorthwestEWR (Reply 12):
Will Pinnacle pick up the Saabs and ground staff ? I'm planning on flying NWA to CID at the end of October and I'm wondering if I should consider booking on DL instead. ( That would mean CRJs which I HATE ! )

you could always choose the mainline DC9 flights from MSP, we get 2 a day, in addition to the Saabs (3 flights from MSP)- and CRJ's (1 flight) or choose a routing thru DTW (3 daily CRJ's on NWAirlink/Pinnacle)


User currently onlineUnited787 From United States of America, joined May 2005, 2698 posts, RR: 1
Reply 15, posted (7 years 10 months 3 weeks 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 6838 times:

Didn't Mesaba used to fly to ASE? What happened there?

User currently offlineNwase From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 7 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (7 years 10 months 3 weeks 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 6335 times:

IMHO, XJ has been going down hill for years. Dirty planes in poor repair, poor on time record, slovenly staff. Me thinks its time to close the doors. I by some chance flew the same SF340 on a Sat. and the following Fri. (matching numbers) and the crap that was on the floor in row 1 on Sat. was still there on Fri.. If they don't care, I guess I don't either.

User currently offlineCubsrule From United States of America, joined May 2004, 22866 posts, RR: 20
Reply 17, posted (7 years 10 months 3 weeks 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 6205 times:

Quoting United787 (Reply 15):
Didn't Mesaba used to fly to ASE? What happened there?

No more Avros...



I can't decide whether I miss the tulip or the bowling shoe more
User currently offlineNASCARAirforce From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 3178 posts, RR: 4
Reply 18, posted (7 years 10 months 3 weeks 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 5898 times:

If Mesaba liquidates, the Saab 340s will probably be picked up by another carrier for pretty cheap (that is if they are owned by Mesaba, not sure if owned or leased - if leased, they go back to the lessor to lease to someone else).

A lot of the airports that the Saabs serve are Essential Air Service airports, which means that the government is subsidizing the flight (not sure how Mesaba is losing money with that subsidizing).

Of course bigger airports that get service from Mesaba will get service from Pinnacle or Compass with CRJs - instead of Saabs at TOL, they will get CRJs.

The EAS airports will need service, if not by Northwest, then it will be by someone else who can get a turboprop into those airports and fly to their hub.

Who knows, maybe Northwest will pick up a few used Beech 1900s so they can fly to places such as Alpena, Copper Harbor etc and make yet another subsidiary.


User currently offlineKappel From Suriname, joined Jul 2005, 3533 posts, RR: 17
Reply 19, posted (7 years 10 months 3 weeks 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 5855 times:

Quoting NASCARAirforce (Reply 18):
If Mesaba liquidates, the Saab 340s will probably be picked up by another carrier for pretty cheap (that is if they are owned by Mesaba, not sure if owned or leased - if leased, they go back to the lessor to lease to someone else).

Isn't REX looking for S340's to replace their metro's? Bad news for one, is the good news of another...



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User currently offlineAlexPorter From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 20, posted (7 years 10 months 3 weeks 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 5786 times:

I really hope this isn't the case. I've had five NW mainline flights and one XJ flight (one of their longer flights, IAH-MSP on the CRJ N602XJ), and the flight attendant was much more helpful than on any of the NW flights (although in-flight service was lower because it was an Airlink flight) and she visited with us in the cabin even after beverage service, answered questions for those connecting in MSP and anyone else who had questions. I hope things work out for her and the friendly flight deck crew.

User currently offlineIsitsafenow From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 4984 posts, RR: 23
Reply 21, posted (7 years 10 months 3 weeks 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 5708 times:

Now lets see..........Mesaba in grave health........Feds ok NW request to transfer cert from Indy air to Compass..........

As Sonny and Cher said..............................................
..."the beat goes on......."
safe



If two people agree on EVERYTHING, then one isn't necessary.
User currently offlineCubsrule From United States of America, joined May 2004, 22866 posts, RR: 20
Reply 22, posted (7 years 10 months 3 weeks 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 5688 times:

One piece of this that we're perhaps forgetting is XJ's international routes. I'm thinking in particular of the minor Canada markets out of DTW all of which, I think, are exclusively Saab. If XJ went under, it probably wouldn't be too hard to get the DOT to move them over to 9E (mainline would be inappropriate for most of these places), but it adds another wrinkle.


I can't decide whether I miss the tulip or the bowling shoe more
User currently offlineNkops From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 2662 posts, RR: 6
Reply 23, posted (7 years 10 months 3 weeks 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 5578 times:

Quoting NASCARAirforce (Reply 18):
the Saab 340s will probably be picked up by another carrier for pretty cheap

Maybe Colgan or RegionsAir (if they are still around)... otherwise they might be desert bound!



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User currently offlineBobnwa From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 6464 posts, RR: 9
Reply 24, posted (7 years 10 months 3 weeks 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 5453 times:

Quoting NASCARAirforce (Reply 18):
If Mesaba liquidates, the Saab 340s will probably be picked up by another carrier for pretty cheap (that is if they are owned by Mesaba, not sure if owned or leased - if leased, they go back to the lessor to lease to someone else).

All the Mesaba aircraft are owned or leased by NWA.


25 NWA330 : NW owes the Saab B+ models and XJ owes the A models. Although very few A models are around anymore, if any. I have only ever see and worked on one A m
26 Milesrich : Let's see, Northwest is driving Mesaba out of business, with even lower cost regionals. Delta is ready to jetison Comair unless their employees work f
27 Otter79 : Yeah, pilots who won't agree to work for minimum wage. I am disgusted by their greed! (TIC)
28 Allstarflyer : Yeah, me too. Been there - 2x in less than 3 years in the airlines. Agreed. It seems to be the norm among the carriers, while Brigance (yeah, I know,
29 DTWAGENT : Leave it to NWA to drive out Mesaba. This is crazy. They have been flying for then for years. To bad too. Becuase I flew to LEX a few year ago, and it
30 Jetdeltamsy : $1 million a week, not per day... That is not my experience at all. I find their service to be above average.
31 FutureFO : Mistyped, my bad. Got moving so quick with the keyboard.
32 Hammer : You will get 26 weeks and if the government decides to extend that, you may get more...but otherwise it is only 26 weeks. The 1 1/2 years unempolymen
33 Nwafflyer : Today, I flew Mesaba entirely - FNT - DTW, then DTW to SDF. Flight attendants were pretty down and out, and I suspect, today was my last RJ 85 flight.
34 Legacytravel : That fits the current NWA culture as it is. It follows the trickle down theory. Mark in MKE
35 Azjubilee : Nwaflyer - the ineptness, rudeness and down and out-ness is what you feel has driven XJ into bankruptcy? I assure you that the bankrupcy is NOT becaus
36 Cubsrule : 9E has been consistently better than XJ service-wise for several years now. We can argue about why that is, but I and others here have said it over a
37 Post contains links KarlB737 : Courtesy: Minneapolis Star-Tribune Mesaba Asks Bankruptcy Court To Bar Strikes http://www.startribune.com/535/story/717104.html
38 Azjubilee : By what measure would you define 9E has been better than XJ? Ontime performance? Both nearly equal. Completion factor? Both nearly equal. Onboard serv
39 Thegooddoctor : I've flown somewhere between 50-100 segments with XJ - the Avro crews were awesome, but it seemed like the SF3 crews were hit and miss... I did like t
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