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UX Upgrades GIG-MAD Before It Begins!  
User currently offlineLipeGIG From Brazil, joined May 2005, 10937 posts, RR: 64
Posted (5 years 4 months 2 weeks 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 1542 times:
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Air Europa announced two months ago that they will begin operations from MAD to GIG effective November 06 using their brand new A330-200.

Even before the flight begins, UX announced that many flights are overbooked and they requested additional frequencies to ANAC to take care of the strong demand.

They received 2 additional frequencies and will run 4x weekly GIG-MAD effective December 2nd, and will be year-round.

Nice news for Brazil as Varig use to offer 49 weekly flights to Europe (nowadays only 7), and other airlines just offer less than 14 additional flights for the Brazilian summer.

Felipe


New York + Rio de Janeiro = One of the best combinations !
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User currently offlineArgentina From Argentina, joined Aug 2000, 369 posts, RR: 16
Reply 1, posted (5 years 4 months 2 weeks 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 1533 times:

Oi Felipe

Are these flights GIG-MAD the only ones UX will be offering between Brazil and Spain, or some other destinations will be on schedules?

User currently offlineLipeGIG From Brazil, joined May 2005, 10937 posts, RR: 64
Reply 2, posted (5 years 4 months 2 weeks 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 1335 times:
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Quoting Argentina (Reply 1):
Are these flights GIG-MAD the only ones UX will be offering between Brazil and Spain, or some other destinations will be on schedules?

Hi Argentina !

In fact UX use to fly SSA-MAD 4x weekly since 2004 IIRC. During this summer they will add an additional frequency (will be 5x weekly). It turns UX the second player on Brazil-Spain market: Iberia leads with 17 weekly frequencies, Air Europa with 8, Air Madrid now with 5 (to become 7 on february), Pluna (MVD-GIG-MAD) with 3, BRA with 2 and Iberworld with 1. Varig has plans to return to MAD during 2007. MAD is nowadays the second best served Europe airport from Brazil, just after LIS.

Best Served European Airports to/from Brazil
1- LIS............. 41
2- MAD........... 36
3- CDG........... 33
4- LHR............ 17
5- FRA............ 14

Felipe


New York + Rio de Janeiro = One of the best combinations !
User currently offlineBHXDTW From Eritrea, joined Feb 2005, 1073 posts, RR: 8
Reply 3, posted (5 years 4 months 2 weeks 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 1311 times:

Doesnt Spanair flly to Brazil ?

Joe ..

User currently offlineRichardw From United Kingdom, joined May 2001, 3595 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (5 years 4 months 2 weeks 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 1256 times:

Just waiting for LON-GIG to happen.

User currently offlineNeo From Brazil, joined Jan 2001, 666 posts, RR: 8
Reply 5, posted (5 years 4 months 2 weeks 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 1220 times:

Quoting LipeGIG (Reply 2):
Best Served European Airports to/from Brazil
1- LIS............. 41
2- MAD........... 36
3- CDG........... 33
4- LHR............ 17
5- FRA............ 14

So, MAD will surpass LIS when NM and UX start their new services??

Quoting Richardw (Reply 4):
Just waiting for LON-GIG to happen.

Rumors were that Virgin was going to fly this route.. but nothing yet.. I honestly think it's just a matter of time until someone starts this route...

Rgs

Neo

User currently offlineLipeGIG From Brazil, joined May 2005, 10937 posts, RR: 64
Reply 6, posted (5 years 4 months 2 weeks 6 days ago) and read 1201 times:
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Quoting BHXDTW (Reply 3):
Doesnt Spanair flly to Brazil ?

BHXDTW, they just code-share with Varig. Varig route is not operated nowadays.

Quoting Richardw (Reply 4):
Just waiting for LON-GIG to happen.

So do I !!!!!

Quoting Neo (Reply 5):
So, MAD will surpass LIS when NM and UX start their new services??

Sorry Neo, i was not so clear. It includes new UX flights (not the extra from SSA), i didn't include NM because no one confirmed to me they will keep all frequencies at FOR (including BCN-FOR). LIS also includes the 6th weekly NAT-LIS.

Quoting Neo (Reply 5):
Rumors were that Virgin was going to fly this route.. but nothing yet.. I honestly think it's just a matter of time until someone starts this route...

Agree 100% !

Felipe


New York + Rio de Janeiro = One of the best combinations !
User currently offlineHardiwv From Brazil, joined Oct 2004, 8780 posts, RR: 56
Reply 7, posted (5 years 4 months 2 weeks 6 days ago) and read 1198 times:

Quoting Neo (Reply 5):
Rumors were that Virgin was going to fly this route.. but nothing yet..

Instead BA decided to increase GRU-LHR to 10 weekly.


Quoting Neo (Reply 5):
So, MAD will surpass LIS when NM and UX start their new services??



Quoting LipeGIG (Reply 2):
1- LIS............. 41

TP operates 48 weekly flights (NAT upgraded to 6 weekly as of November/06):
= 11-GRU + 10-GIG + 7-SSA + 7-REC + 7-FOR + 6-NAT = 48 weekly flights. BRA also serves LIS 2 x week which makes total weekly flights 50. This is not include the various charter flights.

Rgs,

User currently offlineLipeGIG From Brazil, joined May 2005, 10937 posts, RR: 64
Reply 8, posted (5 years 4 months 2 weeks 6 days ago) and read 1183 times:
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Quoting Hardiwv (Reply 7):
TP operates 48 weekly flights (NAT upgraded to 6 weekly as of November/06):
= 11-GRU + 10-GIG + 7-SSA + 7-REC + 7-FOR + 6-NAT = 48 weekly flights. BRA also serves LIS 2 x week which makes total weekly flights 50. This is not include the various charter flights.

Should be 45 from LIS (including 2 BRA, while one is GRU-GIG-MAD-LIS and other GIG-GRU-LIS-MAD), you include 3 OPO-GIG and 3 OPO-GRU. BRA is also running a regular BPS-REC-LIS weekly service.

Thanks for the correction.

Felipe


New York + Rio de Janeiro = One of the best combinations !
User currently offlineHardiwv From Brazil, joined Oct 2004, 8780 posts, RR: 56
Reply 9, posted (5 years 4 months 2 weeks 6 days ago) and read 1170 times:

Quoting LipeGIG (Reply 8):
45 from LIS

Correct. 3 OPO-GRU and 3 OPO-GIG. Brazil has 45 weekly flights to LIS.

Best served European countries served from Brazil:

1- Portugal............. 45 LIS + 6 OPO = 51 weekly
2- Spain........... 36 MAD + 2 BCN = 38 weekly
3- France*........... 33 weekly (excluding French Guiana and French Caribbean)
4- Germany............ 14 FRA + 7 MUC = 21 weekly
5- UK............ 17 weekly

* France to increase to 35 weekly with AF twice weekly GRU flights, and also expected to increase to 42 once TAM starts GIG-CDG early in 2007.

User currently offlineAtnight From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 569 posts, RR: 1
Reply 10, posted (5 years 4 months 2 weeks 6 days ago) and read 1143 times:

What are the current destinations of UX?? Are they still flying to PEK? What is their w/b fleet? didn't they have a A340? In their website, they list 3 B767, 3 A330 for their w/b... What's going on with that airline??


B707 B727 B733/5/7/8/9 B742/4 B752/3 B763/4 B772 A318/319/320 A332 A343 MD80 DC9/10 CRJ200 ERJ145 Be1900 Da-8
User currently offlineNeo From Brazil, joined Jan 2001, 666 posts, RR: 8
Reply 11, posted (5 years 4 months 2 weeks 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 1088 times:

Quoting LipeGIG (Reply 8):
Should be 45 from LIS (including 2 BRA, while one is GRU-GIG-MAD-LIS and other GIG-GRU-LIS-MAD), you include 3 OPO-GIG and 3 OPO-GRU. BRA is also running a regular BPS-REC-LIS weekly service.

Felipe

From LIS:

TP - 8 GRU, 7 GIG, 7 REC, 7 SSA, 7 FOR, 6*NAT = 42 weekly
BR - 1 GRU, 1 GIG = 2

TOTAL = 44 WEEKLY from/to LIS

* I couldn't find any flights IOS-REC-LIS.. Are you sure this is regular?

Rgs,

Neo

User currently offlineNeo From Brazil, joined Jan 2001, 666 posts, RR: 8
Reply 12, posted (5 years 4 months 2 weeks 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 1072 times:

Quoting Hardiwv (Reply 7):
Instead BA decided to increase GRU-LHR to 10 weekly.

As this new flight won't continue to GIG, space for a non-stop flight is still available.

Rgs,

Neo

User currently offlineDellatorre From Brazil, joined May 2000, 1057 posts, RR: 2
Reply 13, posted (5 years 4 months 2 weeks 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 1041 times:

Quoting Neo (Reply 12):
As this new flight won't continue to GIG, space for a non-stop flight is still available.

Virgin has no short term plans to commence such service!!They keep the rights, but lack the aircraft!!! In this case, I would expect BA to step ahead and launch non-stop GIG service before VS does... Even then, not likely to be this coming year!!!!

User currently offlineNeo From Brazil, joined Jan 2001, 666 posts, RR: 8
Reply 14, posted (5 years 4 months 2 weeks 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 996 times:

Quoting Dellatorre (Reply 13):
Even then, not likely to be this coming year!!!!

What makes you say so... any information you have?? If you don't there is nothing that indicates otherwise.

Rgs,

Neo

User currently offlineLipeGIG From Brazil, joined May 2005, 10937 posts, RR: 64
Reply 15, posted (5 years 4 months 2 weeks 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 910 times:
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Quoting Neo (Reply 11):
* I couldn't find any flights IOS-REC-LIS.. Are you sure this is regular?

In fact BPS-REC-LIS but it's not regular, you're right, 44 LIS flights.

Quoting Neo (Reply 12):
As this new flight won't continue to GIG, space for a non-stop flight is still available.



Quoting Dellatorre (Reply 13):
Virgin has no short term plans to commence such service!!They keep the rights, but lack the aircraft!!! In this case, I would expect BA to step ahead and launch non-stop GIG service before VS does... Even then, not likely to be this coming year!!!!

The 3x additional frequencies are seasonal and authorized by ANAC because RG is not flying and JJ service will begin only on the end of october. The frequencies are owned by Virgin.

Felipe


New York + Rio de Janeiro = One of the best combinations !
User currently offlineDellatorre From Brazil, joined May 2000, 1057 posts, RR: 2
Reply 16, posted (5 years 4 months 2 weeks 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 815 times:

Quoting LipeGIG (Reply 15):
The frequencies are owned by Virgin.

What does it mean Virgin owns these frequencies? Did ANAC grant them these rights? Anf if so how come BA got to use this frequencies, if they are owned by Virgin?

Rgs,

Neo

User currently offlineLipeGIG From Brazil, joined May 2005, 10937 posts, RR: 64
Reply 17, posted (5 years 4 months 2 weeks 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 763 times:
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Quoting Dellatorre (Reply 16):
What does it mean Virgin owns these frequencies? Did ANAC grant them these rights? Anf if so how come BA got to use this frequencies, if they are owned by Virgin?

ANAC grant the frequencies to Virgin. BA just take advantage as Virgin does not run the route yet, and obtain additional frequencies (but not allocation) for this summer. You can try to find out the BA night flight on may/june.. it's just for the high season and because TAM will offer about 30% less seats than Varig (281 to 213).
For sure if VS take more time to begin it's service, we can see BA trying to get such frequencies.

Felipe


New York + Rio de Janeiro = One of the best combinations !
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