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AC And SA To Increase Capacity To GRU  
User currently offlineHardiwv From Brazil, joined Oct 2004, 8780 posts, RR: 49
Posted (7 years 11 months 4 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 4563 times:

As of 30 October 2006 AC will replace the B767-300ER with the A340-300 (256Y and 30C) on its daily YYZ-GRU flights meaning an increase in capacity of 25% in C and 37% in Y.

In its turn, SA decided to increase capacity to Brazil as of 1 December 2006 replacing the A340-300 with the B747-400 on its daily JNB-GRU operations. This will represent an increase in capacity of 36% in C and 32% in Y. GRU is one of SA most profitable destinations worldwide. For 2007 SA is studying the possibility of offering 10 weekly flights JNB-GRU.

Rgs,

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User currently offlineIAD380 From United States of America, joined May 2006, 804 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (7 years 11 months 4 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 4459 times:

Will SA fly to other South American destinations? I hope SA will return to EZE now that the economies of both Argentina and South Africa are doing well. MH, which is the only airline that currently flies between South Africa and Argentina, may eventually discontinue this route because it is facing financial difficulties. I wish that SA would also resume flights to GIG, and start service to SCL. However, I realize that SA probably will not add GIG and SCL to its route network anytime soon.

User currently offlineLipeGIG From Brazil, joined May 2005, 11438 posts, RR: 58
Reply 2, posted (7 years 11 months 4 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 4415 times:
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Quoting Hardiwv (Thread starter):
In its turn, SA decided to increase capacity to Brazil as of 1 December 2006 replacing the A340-300 with the B747-400 on its daily JNB-GRU operations. This will represent an increase in capacity of 36% in C and 32% in Y. GRU is one of SA most profitable destinations worldwide. For 2007 SA is studying the possibility of offering 10 weekly flights JNB-GRU.

SA has tried before the use of A346 on this route and produced a reduce on loads and yields and fixed the A343 on GRU-JNB. Now with the 744 they could obtain better results just because their competitors on Brazil-Asia thru Europe are not in condition to upgrade more their flights, fares remain very high and less than 50% of previously operated RG Brazil-Europe flights has been replaced by the market.
IMO makes more sense upgrade the plane than add 3 new flights.

Quoting IAD380 (Reply 1):
I wish that SA would also resume flights to GIG, and start service to SCL. However, I realize that SA probably will not add GIG and SCL to its route network anytime soon.

Upgrades GRU makes more sense in terms of economy of scale, but nowadays SA need to obtain a better option to connect both EZE and GIG markets. As they use a single plane, a tag is not a possible solution. But again, IMO SA could upgrade GRU (from A343 to A346 or 744) and crate a 3x weekly new route JNB-GIG-EZE with A343.

Felipe



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User currently offlineIAD380 From United States of America, joined May 2006, 804 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (7 years 11 months 4 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 4365 times:

Quoting LipeGIG (Reply 2):
As they use a single plane, a tag is not a possible solution.

Why not? Please explain. Perhaps, I don't understand what you mean by "tag." Different people seem to use that word differently. Sometimes, a tag refers to extending an existing route on to a new destination, while other times, it seems to mean an aircraft change, or having passengers fly to their final destination on an alliance partner airline.


User currently offlineLipeGIG From Brazil, joined May 2005, 11438 posts, RR: 58
Reply 4, posted (7 years 11 months 4 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 4265 times:
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Quoting IAD380 (Reply 3):
Why not? Please explain. Perhaps, I don't understand what you mean by "tag." Different people seem to use that word differently. Sometimes, a tag refers to extending an existing route on to a new destination, while other times, it seems to mean an aircraft change, or having passengers fly to their final destination on an alliance partner airline

With pleasure. I mean tag on, like GRU-GIG or GRU-EZE, just because they use a single plane. A tag in this case means a 3 hours (GIG) or even 7 hours (EZE) additional plane usage.
Also, their alliance partner RG nowadays does not offer possible connections GRU-EZE (departs on the early morning) or GRU-GIG (the same). GIG-GRU and EZE-GRU is the same, both arrive during the night, about 5 hours after SA flight departs.
Sorry if i was not so clear.

Felipe



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User currently offlineCayMan From Canada, joined Aug 2003, 905 posts, RR: 9
Reply 5, posted (7 years 11 months 4 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 4259 times:

Quoting Hardiwv (Thread starter):
As of 30 October 2006 AC will replace the B767-300ER with the A340-300 (256Y and 30C) on its daily YYZ-GRU flights meaning an increase in capacity of 25% in C and 37% in Y.

I think this reflects seasonal increase in demand and they did the same thing last year.

I believe YYZ GRU is considered a likely 773 route when they are delivered.


User currently offlineHardiwv From Brazil, joined Oct 2004, 8780 posts, RR: 49
Reply 6, posted (7 years 11 months 4 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 4259 times:

I think the only feasible tag-on is GIG. EZE would be too much of a detour.
Anyway, SA plans are to increase GRU to 10 weekly and to re-start EZE nonstop. The long-term plan of SA is to operate twide daily JNB-GRU in 2010, ready for the World Cup.

Rgs,


User currently offlineIAD380 From United States of America, joined May 2006, 804 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (7 years 11 months 4 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 4170 times:

Quoting LipeGIG (Reply 4):
With pleasure. I mean tag on, like GRU-GIG or GRU-EZE, just because they use a single plane. A tag in this case means a 3 hours (GIG) or even 7 hours (EZE) additional plane usage.
Also, their alliance partner RG nowadays does not offer possible connections GRU-EZE (departs on the early morning) or GRU-GIG (the same). GIG-GRU and EZE-GRU is the same, both arrive during the night, about 5 hours after SA flight departs.
Sorry if i was not so clear.

Thank you for the explanation. It was very helpful.

Quoting Hardiwv (Reply 6):
Anyway, SA plans are to increase GRU to 10 weekly and to re-start EZE nonstop.

Is it official that SA will return to EZE? If so, when will the service start, and how many flights will SA offer to EZE each week? I assume they will fly the A343 or A346 to EZE. Will the flights originate in JNB, and stop in CPT on their way to EZE, or will SA fly this route nonstop from JNB?


User currently offlineSW733 From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 6324 posts, RR: 9
Reply 8, posted (7 years 11 months 4 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 4162 times:

Excellent news for SA, AC and Guarulhos...I'm off to GRU and South America for my first ever time in about 2 hours, and if I like it a lot, maybe I'll use this increased capacity on trips back from USA to Namibia and use an excuse to stop in Brazil  Smile

10 weekly nonstops GRU-JNB...WOW...never would have expected that, but it sure is exciting.


User currently offlineRCS763AV From Colombia, joined Jun 2004, 4395 posts, RR: 12
Reply 9, posted (7 years 11 months 4 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 4018 times:

Quoting Hardiwv (Thread starter):
As of 30 October 2006 AC will replace the B767-300ER with the A340-300 (256Y and 30C) on its daily YYZ-GRU flights meaning an increase in capacity of 25% in C and 37% in Y.

Thats not an increase. AC has been doing this for two years, its no big news. Unless its a permanent increase, which i doubt

As to the SA increase, very good news. That shows that Brazil is indeed the No. 1 destination in the southern continent. Also good for GRU wich is in need of a little more 744s.



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User currently offlineHardiwv From Brazil, joined Oct 2004, 8780 posts, RR: 49
Reply 10, posted (7 years 11 months 3 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 3743 times:

Quoting RCS763AV (Reply 9):
Thats not an increase. AC has been doing this for two years, its no big news. Unless its a permanent increase, which i doubt

It is a seasonal increase, no doubt about it. This seasonal increase could materialise in permanent increase. AC could well not do it if demand was nonexistant.

Quoting RCS763AV (Reply 9):
As to the SA increase, very good news.

SA has also done this seasonal increase in the past. Again, seasonal increase sometimes preclude permanent increase in capacity - SA already announced plans for 3 weekly additional GRU flights.

Rgs,


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