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Man Detained By TSA/Negative Comments  
User currently offlineDc10s4ever From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (7 years 11 months 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 5051 times:

A man was detained by the TSA for having negative comments about the TSA on his plastic bag for his personal items. Personally I think in this case the TSA has gone too far, and it against his rights of freedom of speech.

http://www.usatoday.com/travel/flights/2006-09-29-bag-message_x.htm

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User currently offlineDc10s4ever From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (7 years 11 months 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 5042 times:

Here is another article on Flyertalk

http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/showthread.php?p=6440005


User currently offlineANCFlyer From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (7 years 11 months 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 4999 times:

The TSA Nazi's are at it again I see . . . rather still is more like it . . . thruning this guy over to the police because he thinks their Director is an idiot. Well, hell, they'd lock me up and throw away the damn key I'm sure . . . I think they're all idiots.

While I discount this as an affront to Freedom of Speech - that worthless excuse is too often used when no other argument can be made (rather like the now worthless Race Card) - I think the TSA just got embarrassed and used their Power Trip Prowess to hold the guy . . .

What was the end result? The local constabulary probably laughed right long with him . . . "determined he was not a threat" . . . what a gawddamn joke.


User currently offlineAccess-Air From United States of America, joined Sep 2000, 1939 posts, RR: 13
Reply 3, posted (7 years 11 months 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 4953 times:

Quoting ANCFlyer (Reply 2):
What was the end result? The local constabulary probably laughed right long with him . . . "determined he was not a threat" . . . what a gawddamn joke.

Agreed!!!!!

Access-Air



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User currently offlineCoronado990 From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 1597 posts, RR: 2
Reply 4, posted (7 years 11 months 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 4926 times:

Whoo-hoo!!!!...No free speech in a secure area!!!  rotfl 

I'm laughing at all my friends who said this could never happen 30 years ago. Oh that's right...I'm the loser too.



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User currently offlineFuturecaptain From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (7 years 11 months 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 4845 times:

I don't feel any safer past security today than I did pre-9/11.

This is just idiotic.


User currently offlineS12PPL From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (7 years 11 months 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 4826 times:

I think they should make sure they catch guns that go through their machines first, then go after people for calling them idiots.....  Yeah sure

User currently offlineZvezda From Lithuania, joined exactly 10 years ago today! , 10511 posts, RR: 64
Reply 7, posted (7 years 11 months 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 4785 times:

Bravo to Ryan Bird! I hope someone starts selling T-shirts that read "Kip Hawley is an idiot."

User currently offlineFuturecaptain From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (7 years 11 months 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 4766 times:

Quoting Zvezda (Reply 7):
Bravo to Ryan Bird! I hope someone starts selling T-shirts that read "Kip Hawley is an idiot."

How about you go through security with no shirt and write on your chest "TSA approved clothing"


User currently offlineLemurs From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 1439 posts, RR: 4
Reply 9, posted (7 years 11 months 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 4756 times:

I just heard that the TSA is banning Sharpies inside the secure area to prevent this kind of thing from happening again. Based on previous precedent, it will take 2-3 months before they figure out that people can write with them outside the airport before getting to the secured area, and that there's nothing they can do about it.


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User currently offlineYYZYYT From Canada, joined Apr 2005, 948 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (7 years 11 months 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 4744 times:

While I don't disagree with his sentiment, I question whether it's really wise to bait the people with the box of rubber gloves on their desk...

It's kinda like wearing a T-shirt that says "legalize pot now" when flying home from Jamaica... or putting as bumber sticker on your car that says "I hate cops": bad idea unless you are a real sucker for punishment.


User currently offlineTK787 From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 4424 posts, RR: 12
Reply 11, posted (7 years 11 months 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 4706 times:

I met this young man, fresh out of college pretty non threatening looking, who had a sticker on his checked luggage, which said something negative about the Bush admin. While he was at the gate waiting to get onboard, he was pulled aside by some officials and questioned: "Do you have a problem with US foreign policy?" He eventually missed his flight, and tells me he is on some kind of a list now, so he has to show up way early for his flights and expect to be harassed.

User currently offlineLemurs From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 1439 posts, RR: 4
Reply 12, posted (7 years 11 months 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 4646 times:

Quoting TK787 (Reply 11):
I met this young man, fresh out of college pretty non threatening looking, who had a sticker on his checked luggage, which said something negative about the Bush admin. While he was at the gate waiting to get onboard, he was pulled aside by some officials and questioned: "Do you have a problem with US foreign policy?" He eventually missed his flight, and tells me he is on some kind of a list now, so he has to show up way early for his flights and expect to be harassed.

I would like to do something like this with a riduclous sticker. Something along the lines of "President Bush is a poo-poo head". I would then desperately wish for the TSA to pull me aside for questioning, and force them to actually read the sticker, and refer to it all times in exactly the fashion it is written.

TSA: "Do you have a problem with US foreign policy?"
Me: "No sir. As the sticker says, I believe that President Bush's head is made of poo poo. Is there something wrong with that?"
TSA: "It suggests that you may be disgruntled or have a grudge against the government."
Me: "Which part makes you think that?"
TSA: "What you are calling the president."
Me: "Which part specifically, so I understand?"

I am getting great joy just thinking about this.



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User currently offlineSearpqx From Netherlands, joined Jun 2000, 4344 posts, RR: 10
Reply 13, posted (7 years 11 months 5 days ago) and read 4623 times:

Quoting ANCFlyer (Reply 2):
While I discount this as an affront to Freedom of Speech - that worthless excuse is too often used when no other argument can be made (rather like the now worthless Race Card) - I think the TSA just got embarrassed and used their Power Trip Prowess to hold the guy . . .

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Quoting YYZYYT (Reply 10):
While I don't disagree with his sentiment, I question whether it's really wise to bait the people with the box of rubber gloves on their desk...

It's kinda like wearing a T-shirt that says "legalize pot now" when flying home from Jamaica... or putting as bumber sticker on your car that says "I hate cops": bad idea unless you are a real sucker for punishment.

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User currently offlineBDL2DCA From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 313 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (7 years 11 months 5 days ago) and read 4580 times:

Republicans for Voldemort!


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User currently offlineZvezda From Lithuania, joined exactly 10 years ago today! , 10511 posts, RR: 64
Reply 15, posted (7 years 11 months 5 days ago) and read 4570 times:

Quoting TK787 (Reply 11):
I met this young man, fresh out of college pretty non threatening looking, who had a sticker on his checked luggage, which said something negative about the Bush admin. While he was at the gate waiting to get onboard, he was pulled aside by some officials and questioned: "Do you have a problem with US foreign policy?" He eventually missed his flight, and tells me he is on some kind of a list now, so he has to show up way early for his flights and expect to be harassed.

I think an appropriate response would be "Do you have a problem with the First Amendment?" If they say "No," then the correct response would be "Good. Then we have nothing more to discuss. Have a nice day."


User currently offlineLAXdude1023 From India, joined Sep 2006, 7566 posts, RR: 25
Reply 16, posted (7 years 11 months 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 4451 times:

Quoting Lemurs (Reply 12):
I would like to do something like this with a riduclous sticker. Something along the lines of "President Bush is a poo-poo head". I would then desperately wish for the TSA to pull me aside for questioning, and force them to actually read the sticker, and refer to it all times in exactly the fashion it is written.

TSA: "Do you have a problem with US foreign policy?"
Me: "No sir. As the sticker says, I believe that President Bush's head is made of poo poo. Is there something wrong with that?"
TSA: "It suggests that you may be disgruntled or have a grudge against the government."
Me: "Which part makes you think that?"
TSA: "What you are calling the president."
Me: "Which part specifically, so I understand?"

I am getting great joy just thinking about this.

HAHA, I LOVE IT!!!  laughing 

It's ok to critisize the government and its leaders, its perfectly patriotic. Same with TSA officials. Just because you dont like Bush or the leader of TSA doesnt mean you are a terrorist (even though im sure Bush would say different). TSA needs to realize the difference between free speech and terrorism.



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User currently offlineSocal From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 473 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (7 years 11 months 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 4265 times:

Quoting Dc10s4ever (Thread starter):
Personally I think in this case the TSA has gone too far, and it against his rights of freedom of speech.

First of all, he should of kept his mouth shut. And yea everyone has freedom of speech, but its smart to be quiet in an airport security point. And just maybe you wont miss your flight for being stupid. TSA is just doing their job, and they can detain you for negative comments. They will determine if you can fly or not, so thats why you can get detained.



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User currently offlineLAXdude1023 From India, joined Sep 2006, 7566 posts, RR: 25
Reply 18, posted (7 years 11 months 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 4251 times:

Quoting Socal (Reply 17):
First of all, he should of kept his mouth shut.

Thats not freedom of speech, is it? Or should it read "freedom of speech except in Airports." The TSA is nececary to have to keep us safe, but that doesnt mean they cant go to far sometimes. Everyone can.



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User currently offlineSocal From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 473 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (7 years 11 months 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 4211 times:

Quoting LAXdude1023 (Reply 18):
Everyone can.

Do you think an Official Government Employee in his performance of his duties is gonna stand there and listen to some person rant off and say crap and not do anything about it. I dont think so. This individual didn't get arrested or get charged with a crime, he simply was detained for what he said. Which can be a few things like "Interfering with a Government Employee", "Disorderly Conduct". Who knows the state of mind of this guy, he could be one of these idiots who want to open the exit doors in mid-flight. So that why TSA does what it does. If your get your feelings hurt while going thru an airport, well that your fault for undermining everyone else's safety.



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User currently offlineWe're Nuts From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 5722 posts, RR: 20
Reply 20, posted (7 years 11 months 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 4190 times:

They probably detained him just for the hell of it. You know, like a cook spitting in your food.


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User currently offlineTUNisia From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 1844 posts, RR: 5
Reply 21, posted (7 years 11 months 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 4139 times:

Some of these TSA folks get a real power trip out of stuff like this.

BTW make your very own "Freedom Bags" here...

http://www.kiphawleyisanidiot.com/



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User currently offline777ER From New Zealand, joined Dec 2003, 12104 posts, RR: 18
Reply 22, posted (7 years 11 months 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 4038 times:
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I say good on him. The power of free speech. This personally just shows that the TSA have made them selfs look like 100% idiots.

Quoting Lemurs (Reply 12):
TSA: "Do you have a problem with US foreign policy?"
Me: "No sir. As the sticker says, I believe that President Bush's head is made of poo poo. Is there something wrong with that?"
TSA: "It suggests that you may be disgruntled or have a grudge against the government."
Me: "Which part makes you think that?"
TSA: "What you are calling the president."
Me: "Which part specifically, so I understand?"

Excellent laugh


User currently offlineDL4EVR From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 641 posts, RR: 1
Reply 23, posted (7 years 11 months 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 3996 times:

Just wait till 2009 when they're all out looking for jobs.....see who will get the last laugh. The TSA guys are power hungry maniacs.....they don't give a crap about our security...they care about getting off on their power by harassing innocent passengers.


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User currently offlineL-188 From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 29795 posts, RR: 58
Reply 24, posted (7 years 11 months 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 3966 times:

I hope there is a hard core ACLU lawyer who will take this case and run with it for recrational reasons.

The TSA is way out of line, as they usually are.

But what do you expect from the new Hitleryouth.....they wheren't picked for they job to use their own intellegence.



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25 Bohica : The TSA screener knew the name of the TSA director??? I'm impressed.
26 L-188 : No they have small penises and big egos so they will make something up to charge him with..... Such as...... Typical we have to add something to this
27 Cvg2lga : *this thread title is void and false* From the article: "Sheriff's deputies at the Milwaukee airport detained Bird for 25 minutes on Tuesday. "Way too
28 DL4EVR : That is the year Bush will be out of office!! Our tax dollars will no longer be wasted on this stupid war as well as on the TSA which does NOTHING at
29 Post contains links BigJimFX : X2 on you buddy. As for the detained thing... It is my understanding that the TSA has no Detainment authority, so I can agree on this point. But seri
30 BigJimFX : Not to mention the other fees that are passed on to the passengers due to TSA fees charged to the airlines.
31 DL4EVR : Wow....you learn something new everyday. I didn't know competent law enforcement was allowed to interfere w/TSA....they say NO ONE can override them
32 Robsawatsky : The TSA summoned the Sheriff's deputies, so his detention was directly in response to the action of the TSA even if they weren't the party actually d
33 Post contains images ANCFlyer : Thank you. The TSA morons got their panties in a wad and went crying to the Law Enforcement . . . . . . someone's making fun of our boss . . . Losers
34 NIKV69 : I agree the TSA is not the brightest bunch of people but can't we stop this dumb ass banter? Sure Kip Hawley is not the best but why do we have to ril
35 Srbmod : For the most part it's the same folks who were doing the screenings back prior to the TSA being formed. They went from being contracted rent-a-screen
36 DL4EVR : Better yet, how about airline employees? TSA doesn't care if they piss off pax...maybe airline employees would be a little more humane. When you thin
37 Srbmod : At some airports prior to 9/11, the airlines themselves were responsible for the contracting and hiring of the security screeners at their terminal.
38 Post contains images B6MoneyGuyJFK : TSA "screening" My checked bag? Thank's, I'll stick to a carry-on if at all possible. Just the other day my colleague was flying with his daughter (I
39 Socal : 1. Its obvious your a Bush hater. 2. You dont support your Military. 3. You hate TSA. (Tough Shit Ass) 4. The 9/11 hijackers were "INNOCENT" 5. TSA d
40 Post contains images DL4EVR : You're right, I'm not exactly his # 1 fan. Actually I think the TSA is a great idea...on paper. However, it's been so poorly executed. Ok...that's ta
41 Newark777 : Which also applies to most government employees. Harry
42 Silentbob : If someone is going to do something "bad" on an airplane, it isn't going to be the guy creating a scene or drawing attention to himself. Put all the q
43 Socal : You should send DHS your ideas, since they have executed TSA poorly. Wow, TSA tortures the passengers it screens No, am a Police Officer Oh and by th
44 Robsawatsky : The irony of this statement is comically absurd. Here we see the typical authoritarian reaction to one of the most central principles behind the foun
45 BigJimFX : How is it that a Canadian had to point this out?!?! LOL This is a problem system wide. There are police reports filed every week for items of value s
46 FLY2LIM : You know, way before 9/11, way before "the war on terror" and all of these situations, way before everything that's going on, I remember that there w
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