LipeGIG From Brazil, joined May 2005, 10935 posts, RR: 64 Posted (5 years 4 months 2 weeks 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 42826 times:
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Guys, need further confirmation but i just get the (sad) news that one of the brand new aircrafts that Gol received recently, PR-GTD, disappear while running MAO-BSB leg with 149 pax on board.
Info was obtained with Sindacta (Brazilian Air space Control - BSB area), and need further confirmation.
No info confirming emergency landing, incident or accident yet.
PR-GTD, a Boeing 737-800SFP, has been received just 2 or 3 weeks ago.
Hope nothing happen!
* Confirmed by ANAC at 20h55 Brasilia Time. Sad
Felipe
[Edited 2006-09-30 01:59:48]
New York + Rio de Janeiro = One of the best combinations !
SeeTheWorld From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 1217 posts, RR: 5 Reply 3, posted (5 years 4 months 2 weeks 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 42799 times:
Summa767 From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2004, 2116 posts, RR: 8 Reply 8, posted (5 years 4 months 2 weeks 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 42723 times:
This is terrible news. Can you guys confirm, that for what little portuguese I can understand, the airplane would have collided with a small american airplane?
LTU932 From Germany, joined Jan 2006, 13864 posts, RR: 54 Reply 9, posted (5 years 4 months 2 weeks 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 42680 times:
Quoting Summa767 (Reply 8): the airplane might have colided with a small airplane?
Yes, I believe you understood correctly. They say it was a small American aircraft (I presume a business jet or something smaller with an American registration). The article on Terra says the aircraft should have arrived at CGH at around 18:00, if I understood correctly with the little Portuguese I know.
Dellatorre From Brazil, joined May 2000, 1057 posts, RR: 2 Reply 10, posted (5 years 4 months 2 weeks 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 42680 times:
Rede Globo. Brasil's biggest broadcasting network just annouced live that GOL confirmed the aircraft disappeared from Radar and is missing!!!
It all suggests that the worst could've happened!!!
If confirmed, this is the major airliner accident in Brazil since the JJ's Fokker 100 crashed after taking off from São Paulo Congonhas (CGH)...It's been 10 years.......
My thoughts and prayers to the families..............
LipeGIG From Brazil, joined May 2005, 10935 posts, RR: 64 Reply 12, posted (5 years 4 months 2 weeks 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 42637 times:
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Quoting Summa767 (Reply 8): This is terrible news. Can you guys confirm, that for what little portuguese I can understand, the airplane might have colided with a small airplane?
From ANAC sources:
The Gol PR-GTD collided with a Legacy aircraft close to Caximbo Hills, south of Para state.
The Legacy made an emergency land safely... no info concerning to Gol aircraft.
Don't ask me about TCAS, i asked the same question and up to this moment no one give me the answer.
We have to wait for the worst!
No info concerning to the passengers
Felipe
New York + Rio de Janeiro = One of the best combinations !
NYC777 From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 4636 posts, RR: 51 Reply 14, posted (5 years 4 months 2 weeks 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 42599 times:
So it was mid-air collision? CNN is saying that 155 were on board. Was the aircraft the one recently delivered by Boeing?
LTBEWR From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 11471 posts, RR: 8 Reply 16, posted (5 years 4 months 2 weeks 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 42547 times:
From the article, if I understand it correctly, that the plane went missing about 1800 h (6 pm) local Brazilian time.
This sounds real bad, and if collided with another a/c, the the risk of the air traffic control there making a boo boo or one of the pilot made a location error.
God blessings upon those affected by this apparent tragedy.
Luisca From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 20, posted (5 years 4 months 2 weeks 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 42308 times:
Quoting AlexPorter (Reply 13): Have there been any fatal 737NG crashes yet?
Although the WN incident in MDW qualifies as a fatal incident, this would be the first hull loss of a 737NG and the first accident that involves the death of people on the plane.
Lets hope for the best although it doesn't look to good.
77411 From United States of America, joined Jul 2006, 152 posts, RR: 0 Reply 22, posted (5 years 4 months 2 weeks 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 42307 times:
Quoting Derico (Reply 15): And how the hell did that make an emergency landing 'safely'????
If this is what in fact occurred, then apparently the 737 got the worst of the mid air and the Legacy didn't.
SW733 From Namibia, joined Feb 2004, 5689 posts, RR: 12 Reply 24, posted (5 years 4 months 2 weeks 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 42238 times:
Quoting SeeTheWorld (Reply 3): CNN is just reporting that the plane is missing.
I'm sitting at IAH waiting for a flight to Brazil right now, and a coworker heard the words "Brazil plane crash" on CNN, freaked out and called me. Than I rushed onto a.net to see what's going on
I hope for the best, and that somehow this is all just a mistake. Hope hope hope.
Dude. Namibia.
25 LipeGIG: Yes, just three weeks ago on September 12. Seems to be a miracle the Legacy landing safely ! The Legacy comes from GIG (not clear) to the US. I'm on
26 LTU932: Please keep us posted on everything, Felipe.
27 Velasco: Just heard it on TV. Horrible thing. Very little seems to be known as of now. May their souls rest in peace.
28 Tonytifao: IN BSB, they are saying the flight has indeed crash
29 Dellatorre: Reports are saying the aircraft should have landed at 18h00. How come we just hear from this almost 03 hours after it disappeared????
30 LTU932: The website of the German news programme "Die Tagesschau" is reporting that a passenger aircraft with 155 souls has disappeared from radar. They are n
31 Tonytifao: Also saying Brazilian Airforce is looking for radar signals. Visual search will only be done in the morning during day light This is so sad
32 A340Spotter: This is very sad news indeed. A beautiful airplane lost, but worse, the people lost if indeed everyone perished. I was just on the phone myself with a
33 DeC: Woah, this is so bad! Keep us posted! Thoughts and prayers to the pax and their families...
34 LTU932: My thoughts exactly. The Terra website says that the aircraft was expected at CGH at that time, which conflicts with Felipe's information on the airc
35 Tonytifao: LTU932, Aircraft was making a stop in BSB, GIG then off to Congonhas!
37 Gabo787: Just saw the TV news here and jump to a-net, terrible news, all my prayers to the families of all onboard. I also was wondering how come two modern ai
38 Bushpilot: http://www.cnn.com/2006/WORLD/americ...09/29/brazil.plane.reut/index.html CNN is saying that it was involved in a mid-air collision with a business je
39 LTU932: It could have suffered a glitch in flight with nobody noticing it or maybe the flight crew didn't turn it on. Or maybe they lost all electrical power
40 Ghost77: This are really sad news, sad day for Brazilian aviation. g77 APM
41 SFOMEX: Let's hope for the best, even if it looks so bad at this time. Hopefully, if the plane crashed, there will be survivors. My thoughts and prayers go to
42 LipeGIG: I received it as a rumor at 19h30 and spent about 40 minutes to confirm it's official. It's very sad to post something unclear. The news now shows fa
44 PPVRA: This is terrible Very sad day. My thoughts to the families.
45 Tonytifao: According to news source, Gol has not released pax list yet. News is saying 20-30 passengers may be of Yamaha company from an annual convention hosted
46 CayMan: What is the terrain like in the area that it went mising?
47 JJMNGR: As per latest news, the other plane was not a very small plane, but an Embraer Legacy.
48 Tonytifao: If it was pretty close to Manaus, probably amazon forest?????
49 PlymSpotter: Well I hope that somehow there has been a miracle and that the people onboard are ok, but I'm afraid to say that I fear the worst, terrible news. I wo
50 RichM: Very sad indeed, lets hope for the best for those who were onboard. It does seem strange that the business jet managed to land though, I wonder what e
51 Osiris30: Agreed.. is there any hope that they put down somewhat safely? I would much rather hear we lost a hull than 155 souls. (I would much rather hear we l
52 AlexPorter: We already have two on this thread alone...
53 Dellatorre: As usual the different medias networks from Brazil are making it a bit unclear!! They've reported the flight being from BVB-BEL-MAO-BSB-GIG. But we al
54 CayMan: There is always hope, until proven otherwise, of setting down somewhere.
55 LipeGIG: News..... 22h30 Brazil Time Gol: Nothing yet from Gol. There 149 passengers + 6 staff (2 flight deck + 4 F/A) , 155 POB (persons on board) on PR-GTD.
56 OPNLguy: Everything is obviously preliminary at this point, but FWIW a gent posting over on pprune said that his source inside ATC there said that the 738 and
57 PDXflyer31: Terrible news indeed. Couldn't believe the CNN headline when I saw it. The sad thing is it was the most preventable cause of all being a mid-air colli
58 DavestanKSAN: just read about this, I'm praying for the best. Thanks for the info, please keep us updated....... Thoughts are with the passengers and their familie
59 Osiris30: Actually it's inexcusable IMHO. There is *no* excuse for something like this to happen in this day and age (although I worry immensly what's going to
60 SW733: Terribly sorry, somehow I completely missed the fact that someone posted that photo before me. Didnt mean to double post, and if I could delete it I
61 Airbrasil: I am listening to Brazilian TV right now.. an amateur radio station is with the Globo news speaking about their knowldge of the crash near them. Also
62 PDXflyer31: "Pereira said in an interview with CBN radio that a local farmer reported seeing a large plane flying low." From Yahoo news update 03:27 UTC.
63 Airbrasil: A local witness said that they saw the plane crashing and an explosion.. This is live from Globo TV from Rio de Janeiro to my Nextel phone in Las Vega
64 Osiris30: Admittedly sketchy information, but 'flying low' has a decidely different ring to it than 'falling out of the sky'. Perhaps they have managed to ditc
65 WorldTraveler: Didn't Brazil just complete adding radar across the Amazon within the past couple years? Have there been any indications that Brazilian ATC across the
66 Jcf5002: Although I respect your opinion, I think you are utterly wrong. S**t happens, and no matter how much "technology" you put in place to protect people,
67 Piercey: How could it land with a chunk wing missing? Either way, wow... How come my gut is saying that the Legacy saw the 738, turned, and the wing hit fusel
68 LTU932: Perhaps it still had enough left for the aircraft to remain airborne.
69 Airbrasil: Here is a link from the Brazilian newspaper: http://oglobo.globo.com/pais/mat/2006/09/29/285904122.asp Very sad news.. we are listening to all news as
70 Dellatorre: ON thing I don't get!!! Where is the Crew from this Corporate Jet ?? If the aircraft landed, they should've been brought up already!!! This accident h
71 Osiris30: I'm well aware that 'S**t happens'. My point wasn't to fault anyone (pilot, ATC, MFG, etc.) My point was that there is no excuse given the technology
72 Gokmengs: Although I still pray for the best, I am scared about the outcome of this. I really don't understand how a biz-jet and a 737 collides in mid-air, and
73 Dellatorre: BAND Broadcasting Network now reports the Legacy aircraft may be involved with ilegal drug traffic or has been flying ilegally. They said the crew ar
74 DZ09: I am sorry but s**t doesn't happen. Things like this should never happen especially in-flight. If the collision happened on the tarmac then it is anot
75 LTU932: To get back to the question of why the G3 737's TCAS might not have detected the aircraft, could this mean the people flying the aircraft had the tra
76 PDXflyer31: Wow, that's juicy. If that ends up being true, the Embraer probably flew with its transponder switched off, so this was just bound to happen eventual
77 QFSYD744: Now on BBC: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/5394146.stm Such horrid news for a great airline. I have had the chance to fly on them twice this year
78 Dellatorre: BAND also is reporting a local witness saw the aircraft crash and explode on an area believed to be an farm.
79 OPNLguy: How could that Israeli F-15 land with only one wing? I guess it's a combination of luck, how much gets taken off in the collision, and the functional
80 QFSYD744: PSA 182 San Diego 1978 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PSA_Flight_182 Pan Am 1736 Tenerife 1977 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pan_Am_1736 Both were absol
81 Famfmarques: This is my first post. I just arrived in São Paulo flying from Salvador. I was not aware until reaching airport lounge. Gol staff is notably shocked.
82 Aloha717200: Oh my, if true, that makes this incident all the more avoidable and tragic.... Praying for all on board
83 WorldTraveler: There's always more to the story than is first revealed. If true this is a big blow for Brazil. Part of the purpose for adding radar across the Amazo
84 Legacy135: I am speechless.......... We see here happen the case, that basically can't happen, but it still happens. I am so sorry for everybody involved, their
85 EMBQA: I'd be interested in knowing which Legacy it is. There are not that many, and only a few based in Brazil.
86 JAL: This is so sad! Hope they find the plane soon!
87 Osiris30: Thought.. (maybe wishful thinking): If the plane crashed, and it's night, wouldn't the flaming wreckage be easy to find from the air. (Don't know the
88 Airbrasil: Yes very strange.. until now the Brasilian Gov have not mentioned anything about the crew from Legacy in which it would make sense to be the first one
89 QFSYD744: Are we going back to the Brasil of termoil in the 1960's? They were noted for their secrets and backhanded deals.
90 Aeroflot777: Very bizaar, mid-air collision with small jet, and jet lands..... Yet 737 crashes. Very unfortunate! RIP to all. Horrible accident. Aeroflot777
91 Spacecadet: If anybody in aviation has the attitude that "s**t happens", they should be out of a job by tomorrow morning. Seriously. All accidents are caused by
92 Tercer: It can and has happened.... Capt. Kim Campbell, an A-10 Thunderbolt II pilot deployed with the 332nd Air Expeditionary Wing, surveys the battle damag
93 LipeGIG: Right. I need to investigate but seems to be part of Excel Air, United States. I doubt the plane is used with drugs, is too expensive and Amazon Fore
94 Osiris30: In fairness to the original posted for the 's**t happens' comment, I *believe* he was trying to avoid this turning into a blame game, rather than bei
95 QFSYD744: Something is telling me that the Brasilian Aviation Authority wants to get as much information together before they release any additional informatio
96 JJMNGR: Last information on the major night news at Globo TV states that till now, no more information than previously posted. Some aircrafts were flying on t
97 Usair320: Sad news. so sad for the familys and for the 738! Let's continue to hope for the best. Gage
98 Osiris30: Assuming the weather is clear in the area I think that may be a good sign (see my previous post). Hoping when I check on this in the AM the plane is
99 MEABeirut: http://www.airdisaster.com/photos/varig254/photo.shtml This accident is not necessarily unsurvivable. If the plane did indeed ditch like this one did,
100 Farmenta: Indeed, this is very sad. I hope that there is a miracle and we get survivers. Lets hope for the best. Fer
101 Piercey: Hey, maybe there is hope! Remember the Eastern L1011 that went into the everglades? Didn't the plane only have a few flash fires and the fuselage sta
102 Cactus739: Wonder if the plane's emergency locator beacon is going off........ that should make it easier to find you'd think...
103 Zeke: Apparently the wreckage has been found, sadly no good news to pass on.
104 Osiris30: Source please? (Not that I don't trust you, but in a bit of an information vacume) TYIA
105 LTU932: Once 30 minutes have passed after posting, it can't be edited anymore. The only way to do this is to have the post deleted.
106 JAM747: I had similar thoughts to these comments. If there has been no trace of fire it could be a good thing ,as maybe the plane ditched into the bushes and
107 AA54Heavy: CNN is reporting that the Mayor of some remote village says the plane crashd into a farm there....see www.cnn.com
108 LipeGIG: Lets pray and wait for the morning. Visibility right now seems to be close to zero. Felipe
109 Teneriffe77: Another incident where a plane survived losing part of it's wing was PAN AM 843 a 707 that on 6/28/65 lost part of the starboard wing from the tip to
111 LTU932: The mayor of a remote town in the central state of Mato Grosso said the plane had crashed on a farm in Peixoto de Azevedo municipality. The report cou
112 Virgin747: More from the airplane landing with a missing wing category.... June 28 1965, a Pan American 707 had a engine explode taking out the engine and 25 fee
113 ULMFlyer: As background info, I was on this flight on Sep 19, albeit on the BSB-GIG leg, after renewing my visa at the US Embassy. Some relevant info from Brazi
114 SeeTheWorld: This is not the same as, "the wreckage has been found." I've been reading on CNN for more than an hour that a farmer thought it crashed on his farm -
115 Osiris30: Thank you.. I'll google news search it... Couldn't find the reuters but found: http://www.abc.net.au/news/newsitems/200609/s1752666.htm If this was t
116 LTU932: Never disputed that. I was merely citing the same source as in reply 116 (which is Reuters) and there's nothing on the aircraft wreckage being found,
117 FlyMD: I'm sure that we are all praying for the well-being of the 155 souls on board as well as praying for the families of those 155 people. Obviously both
118 Farmenta: Here is an animation from the Brazilian news: http://gmc.globo.com/GMC/1,,2465-p-M549154,00.html Fer
119 Alessandro: I recall the crash after the first AN-70 hit the following AN-74 during a test flight, the bigger AN-70 crashed and the AN-74 flew home with wing-dam
120 DTWAGENT: Sad news. May God be with the families of the people on board GOL aircraft. Also with them and may we pray that their will be some serviors. I just he
121 AA54Heavy: Interesting animation...but, they haven't even "found" the GOL jet yet, how do they now what exactly happened???? It depicts the embraer scratching t
122 Osiris30: GOL Press Release (reposted in entirity as it's public domain) Press Release on GOL Flight 1907 Friday September 29, 11:41 pm ET
123 F9Animal: I am praying that they made a ditched landing, and that everyone is okay. This is indeed very sad news, and very painful awaiting to hear the fate of
124 Antiuser: Maybe it didn't crash, but ditch... remember RG254, the 732 that landed in the middle of the Amazon in 1989? Sure, it wasn't a collision, but if the
125 N5716B: Well, since the Legacy landed 'safely', perhaps the pilot already talked to the relevant aviation authorities. The animation does raise the question
126 Alessandro: Here´s the list of all midair crashes involving larger civilian aircrafts after WW2, see http://aviation-safety.net/database/dblist.php?Event=COA
127 Jpax: I've been following this since it happened hoping for good news, but my bed sounds tempting after being awake for more than 24hours... I hope to rise
128 Dreamflight767: Not too sure if you guys are keeping up w/ CNN. But they are reporting that the Brazilian Officials are saying that a collision MAY NOT have occured a
129 Alessandro: Felipe, the note on the Embraer homepage said it was "owned and operated by the customer" see http://www.embraer.com.br/institucio...2_113-Ins-VPP-Inf
130 Osiris30: Forgive me, but then how did the planes take damage severe enough to bring down a 737? Are the suggesting that the damage was the result of forces in
131 Antiuser: Embraer has confirmed that the Legacy was on a delivery flight to an US customer and flown by an American crew. They landed at an air force base, so
132 Dreamflight767: Quoting Dreamflight767 (Reply 137): Not too sure if you guys are keeping up w/ CNN. But they are reporting that the Brazilian Officials are saying tha
133 LipeGIG: You're right, the info concerning to " delivered to the customer " is added by the news (O Globo). In portuguese " estaria levando a aeronave da fabr
134 Antiuser: 24horas News reports that Air Force personnel is talking to the crew of the Legacy at the moment. Hopefully it won't be long until the facts come up.
135 RayChuang: Unfortunately, we won't know anything until they find the remains of the GOL 737-800 and recover the information from the black boxes. They'll have to
136 Osiris30: Shouldn't be too hard seeing as it's on the ground and at an air base.
137 Antiuser: They already have the Legacy (landed at an Air Force base), and I'm still hopeful there may be survivors on the 737. Like I said before, this is abou
138 Zippyjet: My heart and I can safley say the hearts of all of us here at A-Net go out to the passenger and crew's loved ones and friends. One thing that seems st
140 KLM685: I second my dear friend Ghost77, This is truly a sad day for Brazilian aviation and for the world. This is a punch in the nose for Gol and for the fam
142 Kaitak: Unfortunately, just because both aircraft are fitted with TCAS doesn't mean a crash is impossible; remember the Swiss mid-air collision between the DH
143 ULMFlyer: For those interested in the (general) area geography, the Legacy landed at Cachimbo AFB (SBCC), located at 09° 20' 02.17" S 054° 57' 55.52" W
144 Osiris30: TYVM Satellite image here: http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&hl=e...2.877967,5.493164&t=k&om=1&iwloc=A Unfortunately good doesn't do digital elevation
145 OPNLguy: The animation shouldn't raise any questions at all, because it's not reality and is instead someone's programing the animation software to show this,
146 Zippyjet: http://news.yahoo.com/photo/060930/4...f1c69&g=events/wl/093006golairline This is why I thought the ill fated airliner was a 737-700.
147 Antiuser: Here's a satellite image of the airfield. Oops, someone posted it already [Edited 2006-09-30 07:28:50]
148 Osiris30: We won't hold it against you During times like this misinformation is common. That's why I posted the GOL PR.. it's one of the few factual pieces of
149 Antiuser: Gol has released the list of pax on the flight: http://g1.globo.com/Noticias/Brasil/0,,AA1292095-5598,00.html
150 Cactus739: " target=_blank>http://g1.globo.com/Noticias/Brasil/....html That's very very strange to me. They don't know what happened to the plane or where its a
151 Brdcessna: http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060930/...n_re_la_am_ca/brazil_plane_missing ty http://planecrashinfo.com/index.html According to plane crash info all ab
152 ULMFlyer: O Globo Online quotes the Minister of Defense as confirming the midair. He also says that the aircraft "were" (maybe he should have said "were suppose
153 Osiris30: Honestly I think that's a bit premature since no one has found the damn thing yet (not mad at you, but we need to be careful with statements like tha
154 Antiuser: I don't really know - I have no inside sources in Brazilian aviation, I just happen to have lived in the country and can speak fluent Portuguese. Jus
155 Antiuser: They've jumped the gun. Big time. How can they know how many perished when the authorities haven't even found the airframe yet?
156 LH648: Kyrgyz Tu154 landed safely without part of the wing after collision with KC-135 just few days ago. I hope that all guys on 738 are alive as well.
157 Alessandro: LH648, I wonder about the engine location on the Legacy and the TU-154 is on the fuselage not the wing, anyone thinks it it increase the survival if t
158 FLY2LIM: Let me begin by stating that I am sickened by the news of this accident, for the passengers, the families, the country of Brazil, Boeing, and anyone
159 Alessandro: Fly2lim, yes, a.net is a Swedish homepage. I don´t think US news service is that much better than any other democratic country.
160 Osiris30: However, I think we *all* need to be careful.. those who chastized LipeGIG and those chastizing those same people. Everyone is (understandably) a lit
161 PlanesNTrains: Whether or not it was right or wrong, I think the name issue seemed awkward, as we don't even know where the plane is yet. Again, I'm not implying he
162 Dc10forever: Just to finish this boring thing about the crew members names posted by LipeGig, Gol has just released the complete list of passengers and crew member
163 Antiuser: From my experience, as long as you stick to the reputable and verifiable sources (i.e.: Globo, JB, Terra), their standards are just as high as their
164 FLY2LIM: Notice, I said "slightly" higher standards, never said better. And I never stated that. I hope that's clear. I was simply showing how things may be l
165 Antiuser: Information released by the Air Force states that the pilot of the Legacy "saw a shadow over his aircraft, felt a strong bump and noticed part of the
166 Osiris30: Prefectly clear . Was just throwing in my 2 cents
167 Osiris30: From CNN: http://edition.cnn.com/2006/WORLD/am...s/09/30/brazil.crash.ap/index.html
168 Brdcessna: You are right I apologize to everyone My deepest sympathies to everyone involved tho. Sad and tragic.
169 B707Stu: Really sad news. Praying for the best possible outcome. I'm wondering if the impact on the 737 was to the cockpit? That would explain why there's no r
170 Antiuser: According to the reports so far, the wingtip of the Legacy hit the underbelly of the 737.
171 AirTran737: May God rest all of their souls. If I am correct this ends the perfect no hull loss record of the 737NG. I feel so sorry for the families of the victi
172 Osiris30: Time for me to turn in. Before I call it a night I'll share a handy link: Google news - GOL search - Google News is really excellent. http://news.goog
173 VR-HKG: With respect, nobody knows where the 737 was hit yet. They've quite possibly not found any wreckage (there's a questionable quote suggesting they *mi
174 Antiuser: Initially, that was the case, yes - but if you notice, I posted a while ago that the Air Force released information given to them by the pilot of the
175 VR-HKG: ...and he also said he only saw it as a shadow. Hence he has no idea as to its orientation to his aircraft.
176 MauriceB: To be honest, i don't think any of the passengers will come out alive. I mean why didn't they use the communications systems, or what about the mobils
177 CaptinTuT: Sad day not just for Brazil but for any one who lost a family member in any air tragedy. since till now there is no confirmation about any crash yet,
178 Krist0f: First of all I'd like to extend my sympathy to the families and victims of this tragic event. I've flown Gol myself on various occassions and have alw
179 Oldeuropean: Seems that it wasn`t a midair collision. Axel
180 CaptinTuT: I was just reading the same news before you post it, and it's really amazing how everything changes so quickly from a midair collision to just though
181 Cedars747: Oh no ....my favourite touristic destination is hit by an airline crash My sympathy to pax,crew,families and all Brazil.Hope for many many survivors A
182 PADSpot: Quoting Oldeuropean (Reply 179): "During the afternoon there was another incident with a Legacy airplane, made by Embraer," federal aviation authoriti
183 Krist0f: A bit off topic but.. I was just thinking, tomorrow's the Presidential elections in Brazil, I hope none of the candidates will take advantage of this
184 Antiuser: Laws in Brazil state that all political propaganda must cease at midnight on the day before the election. Campaigning on election day is illegal.
185 Jamesjoyce: A mobile-phone needs communication antennas on the ground to relay a signal. In the middle of a densely forrested area such as the Amazone-forest it
186 Pilotaydin: wow....yesterday i was flying to Kazan from Istanbul, and at about 23:00Z we heard an ELT signal on 121.5 for about 15-20 mins then it disappeared, we
187 Gary2880: terrible accident. with this 737 only a few weeks old ill bet boeing is hoping that a legacy was involved best of luck to them, not the most hospitabl
188 Allessandro: My thougths and prayers go out to the relatives of the people who were on the plane... may those why did not survive this terrible event rest in peace
189 MEA-707: No, PR-GTA, GTB and GTC were delivered earlier (28/7, 18/8, 31/8 respectively) and are also SFPs.
190 Morvious: At the time of the crash, there was no rules to follow TCAS in situations like that. I believe after this excident, rules have been changed. Alright,
191 Antiuser: The area where the aircraft crashed is not too far from a military airfield (where the Legacy landed) and is frequently used by the Air Force for exer
192 BMIFlyer: Possibly Avionics? Sad day for all concerned, lets hope we hear the full truth soon Lee
193 Antiuser: Some UNCONFIRMED information from an anonymous Air Force source states that the cause might have been "a slight deviation from course by the smaller
194 EBGflyer: The passenger list is now available on the Gol website: http://www.voegol.com.br/comunicado/index.asp
195 Mika: While i myself am also recognizing the fact that this Gol B737-800SFP is a very new A/C, one of the first ones to be delivered to the airline, and gra
196 Berlinspotter: No, it was not the first Boeing 737-800SFP for Gol. The first one was PR-GTA and PR-GTD must have been the 4th aircraft. It was delivered Sept. 11, 20
197 Jorge1812: Excuse my dumb question but the thread is already too long to read all. What's the difference between a 738 and a 738SFP? Georg
198 MauriceB: Its equiped with special gears for less good , mostly soft, air strips, so that it can land on the smaller airports in Brasil, but if im correct it a
199 Mika: SFP=Short field performance, if i'm not mistaken.
200 Summa767: I understand that it is only 2 planes involved. But it is strange that authorities are now not certain (according to CNN) that the damage on the Lega
201 Lamedianaranja: Does this mean that all next of kin has been notified already? Or is that not necessary? Are there any names that are known to Brazilian a.netters? A
202 Mika: I'm gonna go ahead and start up a part 2 to this thread. Please post there.
203 Index2006: --The plane(Boeing 737-800SFP) was delivered on 9-11 could it be a SABOTAGE? 1-Legacy 600 Embraer 135 was on its inaugural flight to the U.S 2-Brazil
204 Pilotaydin: dear god what do you smoke out there?
205 777STL: I think you guys are putting too much stock into what people are saying. They don't know any better than we do.
206 Viasa: It was this Embraer: Source: CH-Aviation
207 OyKIE: Here is a link to Part 2 for those who prefer it simple Gol PR-GTD Crashed While Running MAO-BSB! Part 2 (by Mika Sep 30 2006 in Civil Aviation)
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