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Gol PR-GTD Crashed While Running MAO-BSB! Part 2  
User currently offlineMika From Sweden, joined Jul 2000, 2841 posts, RR: 4
Posted (7 years 6 months 3 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 33688 times:

The first part got too darn long!

235 replies: All unread, showing first 25:
 
User currently offlinePilotaydin From Turkey, joined Sep 2004, 2537 posts, RR: 51
Reply 1, posted (7 years 6 months 3 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 33668 times:

i dont understand, if the plane went down, then what's up with the ELT? shouldn't there be a signal?


The only time there is too much fuel onboard, is when you're on fire!
User currently offlineGRZ-AIR From Austria, joined Apr 2001, 573 posts, RR: 4
Reply 2, posted (7 years 6 months 3 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 33653 times:

This is terrible....

I just read on CNN that they aren't sure anymore if the EMB Legacy had something to do with it or not?? Any updates??



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User currently offlineGRZ-AIR From Austria, joined Apr 2001, 573 posts, RR: 4
Reply 3, posted (7 years 6 months 3 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 33574 times:

If they have an old style 121,5 ELT (hope not) than that still leaves a huge area to search for...
Brasil has huge areas of jungle..they are probably lost underneath the trees!



When I joined A.net it was still free, haha ;).
User currently offlineViasa From Switzerland, joined Jun 2005, 1853 posts, RR: 7
Reply 4, posted (7 years 6 months 3 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 33504 times:

The Legacy was on it's delivery flight to the new owner: Excelaire: www.excelaire.com

Quote:

14500965 0 NEW ERJ 135 BJ Legacy N600XL not yet delivered

Source: CH-Aviation


User currently offlineOyKIE From Norway, joined Jan 2006, 2673 posts, RR: 4
Reply 5, posted (7 years 6 months 3 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 33461 times:

This is horrible new. I still hope everyone somehow miraculously gets out alive, and that the people are okay.

According to Norwegian Newspapers the Brazilian authorities are no longer sure if the Legacy has been in contact with the 737. They need more time to sort things out. Probably, since the Legacy pilots are not sure what they hit.

Hospitals in the region are ready to accommodate peoples if necessary.

Let us pray that they are okay, even though the hope fades away by the hour  pray 



Dream no small dream; it lacks magic. Dream large, then go make that dream real - Donald Douglas
User currently offlineEHHO From Bulgaria, joined Dec 2005, 815 posts, RR: 8
Reply 6, posted (7 years 6 months 3 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 33409 times:

May the victims rest in peace, all thoughts with the unbearable grief of the friends and relatives. Sad day for aviation too: first 737NG write off.  sorry   tombstone 


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User currently offlineJorge1812 From Germany, joined exactly 10 years ago today! , 3148 posts, RR: 8
Reply 7, posted (7 years 6 months 3 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 33317 times:

Quoting Mika (Thread starter):
The first part got too darn long!

Yes it is! Therefor my question. Was the other plane an Embraer Legacy? I thought it was something like a small Cessna.

Georg


User currently offlineViasa From Switzerland, joined Jun 2005, 1853 posts, RR: 7
Reply 8, posted (7 years 6 months 3 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 33316 times:

Quoting EHHO (Reply 6):
first 737NG write off.

No, it was the 2nd lost - the B737-6D6 7T-VJQ of Air Algérie was written off on 18-Mar-2006.


User currently offlineJorge1812 From Germany, joined exactly 10 years ago today! , 3148 posts, RR: 8
Reply 9, posted (7 years 6 months 3 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 33252 times:

Quoting OyKIE (Reply 5):
They need more time to sort things out. Probably, since the Legacy pilots are not sure what they hit.

How possible is it that they hit something different at the time another plane crashes near by. Or have both planes hit a third thing?

Georg


User currently offlineHiflyer From United States of America, joined Nov 2004, 2153 posts, RR: 3
Reply 10, posted (7 years 6 months 3 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 33130 times:

It basically appears that the EMB should have been on a NW heading while the GOL was on a SE.

Possible the EMB was enroute to KFLL which has been a normal EMB arrival point with their facility there...a lot of EMB delivery trips go thru there. The purchaser of the EMB home bases up on Long Island.

One quote per Air Force was that one ac should have been at FL33 and the other at FL36. Has there been anymore on either route or altitudes yet? Additionally is the suspected crash point a frequently used high atlitude intersection in that area?

[Edited 2006-09-30 14:01:16]

User currently offlineCPHGuard From Denmark, joined Jun 2006, 254 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (7 years 6 months 3 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 33066 times:

Quoting GRZ-AIR (Reply 3):
If they have an old style 121,5 ELT (hope not) than that still leaves a huge area to search for...

What could possibly be old style, on a 3 week old Boeing ??


User currently offlineOyKIE From Norway, joined Jan 2006, 2673 posts, RR: 4
Reply 12, posted (7 years 6 months 3 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 33010 times:

Quoting Jorge1812 (Reply 7):
Yes it is! Therefor my question. Was the other plane an Embraer Legacy? I thought it was something like a small Cessna.

Georg

There has been a damaged Embraer Legacy landing with a damaged wing. That we know for sure.

Quoting Viasa (Reply 8):
No, it was the 2nd lost - the B737-6D6 7T-VJQ of Air Algérie was written off on 18-Mar-2006.

I never continued following the Air Algérie bad landing. Anyone know the cause of this accident anyway?

Quoting Jorge1812 (Reply 9):
How possible is it that they hit something different at the time another plane crashes near by. Or have both planes hit a third thing?

Georg

This is a good question. I guess it is very plausible that these airplanes have collided with each other, but no one can state anything without any kind of evidence.



Dream no small dream; it lacks magic. Dream large, then go make that dream real - Donald Douglas
User currently offlineOyKIE From Norway, joined Jan 2006, 2673 posts, RR: 4
Reply 13, posted (7 years 6 months 3 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 32896 times:

Here is a press release from Embraer concerning the accident. They do not mention the 737.

http://www.embraer.com/english/conte...press_releases_detalhe.asp?id=1380

http://www.embraer.com.br/institucio...2_113-Ins-VPP-Information-I-06.pdf



Dream no small dream; it lacks magic. Dream large, then go make that dream real - Donald Douglas
User currently offlineIndex2006 From Brazil, joined Sep 2006, 20 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (7 years 6 months 3 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 32896 times:

--Sixteen anguishing hours have passed without any clue of the missing plane. Only some reports on local farmers that had seen the plane maneuvering an unusual descend path.

[Edited 2006-09-30 14:12:12]

User currently offlineBMED From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2004, 860 posts, RR: 7
Reply 15, posted (7 years 6 months 3 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 32828 times:

Just read this on the cnn site

"Local media was reporting the collision damaged the corporate jet, but no one on board was seriously injured and it was able to land, although its landing site was unclear. Local media reports also said farmers saw a large plane flying low in the area.

Brazilian television reported the collision was over the state of Para, which is remote and largely made up of rainforest.

A spokesman for Brazilian civil aviation said the flight left Manaus, Brazil, at 2:36 p.m. local time (1:36 p.m. ET), headed for Brasilia, where it was set to land at 6:12 p.m. After that, it was headed to Rio de Janiero and Sao Paulo. It disappeared from radar screens while over military-controlled airspace"



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User currently offlineVivaGunners From Italy, joined Oct 2000, 363 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (7 years 6 months 3 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 32778 times:

Horrible news...
May all the people rest in peace.
Hopefully we'll now what went wrong soon.



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User currently offlineCricket From India, joined Aug 2005, 2964 posts, RR: 7
Reply 17, posted (7 years 6 months 3 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 32671 times:

My thoughts are with the familes of those on board!


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User currently offlineLipeGIG From Brazil, joined May 2005, 11365 posts, RR: 59
Reply 18, posted (7 years 6 months 3 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 32555 times:
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Very sad... and now i need to fly from CGH to GIG and will walk in front of Gol check-in counters... i imagine the face of every Gol worker. I'm very sad.

Quoting GRZ-AIR (Reply 2):
I just read on CNN that they aren't sure anymore if the EMB Legacy had something to do with it or not?? Any updates??

During sometime all we will see are speculations, they need to find the plane and recover their black box to know exactly what happen. The Gol pilot does not report nothing wrong which IMO can show that the aircraft has been damaged. But it's pure speculation.

Quoting Viasa (Reply 4):
The Legacy was on it's delivery flight to the new owner: Excelaire: www.excelaire.com

Right.

Quoting Viasa (Reply 8):
No, it was the 2nd lost - the B737-6D6 7T-VJQ of Air Algérie was written off on 18-Mar-2006.

So, it's the first 737-800 write off, and probably is one or the young plane (fly only about 200 hours during 17 days) lost in an accident.

Quoting Index2006 (Reply 14):
--Sixteen anguishing hours have passed without any clue of the missing plane. Only some reports on local farmers that had seen the plane maneuvering an unusual descend path.

Rumors that they find the plane... waiting for further confirmation.

Felipe



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User currently offlineNIKV69 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 19, posted (7 years 6 months 3 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 32497 times:

Quoting Viasa (Reply 4):
The Legacy was on it's delivery flight to the new owner: Excelaire:

Wow I know a pilot for them, he belongs to the country club right near ISP.

Rest in peace all souls. Terrible.


User currently offlineSeeTheWorld From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 1325 posts, RR: 4
Reply 20, posted (7 years 6 months 3 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 32425 times:

CNN is reporting the wreckage has been found.

User currently offlineQFSYD744 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 21, posted (7 years 6 months 3 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 32352 times:

According to Globo, the wreckage has been found!

User currently offlinePHKLM From Northern Mariana Islands, joined Dec 2005, 1198 posts, RR: 2
Reply 22, posted (7 years 6 months 3 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 32353 times:

It has been found indeed, see http://g1.globo.com/Noticias/Brasil/0,,AA1292204-5598,00.html

No news about the passengers yet.


User currently offlineKalakaua From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 1516 posts, RR: 5
Reply 23, posted (7 years 6 months 3 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 32352 times:

I really cannot say RIP yet... I pray that they're alive.  Sad


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User currently offlineKalakaua From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 1516 posts, RR: 5
Reply 24, posted (7 years 6 months 3 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 32203 times:

Quoting PHKLM (Reply 22):

200 km the Southeast of Peixoto Azevedo, in Mato Grosso. The aircraft is in a place of difficult access.



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25 Post contains links A320ajm : Here is another link about them finding the plane: http://news.sky.com/skynews/article/0,,30000-13545161,00.html
26 NIKV69 : So do I but trying to place a 738 into a rain forest suggests otherwise. Let's hope there are some survivors.
27 Dellatorre : Indeed, this is supposed to be same location where a local witnesses saw the aircraft flying low and also an farmer reported hearing asounds of explo
28 Morvious : Atleast for the families its good that they have found the wreckage.
29 Pilotaydin : i just read it said no survivors have been found.....shit.... what the hell could bring down an NG like that?
30 LTBEWR : Although Excelaire is based in (and probably the home of the pilot's of the biz jet) is in the NYC/Long Island area and it's possible connection to th
31 MauriceB : Very sad... Good luck to all the families, May the Victims Rest in peace
32 Mika : I am truly surprised about this aswell, there is something odd about a small RJ like an EMB 135 hitting/getting hit by a large craft as the B738 and
33 Post contains links and images OyKIE : http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/5395042.stm
34 LipeGIG : Brazilian Air Force is sending helicopters to the area. Any confirmation if there are survivors is pending upon Air Force info. ANAC investigation wi
35 Mxp : Horrible news. I just read it now My prayers are with all the people and family involved Alberto
36 Post contains images CF188A : It will be interesting who was in the place they should not have been These accidents are always 100% unfortunate. Fingers crossed there are some surv
37 OyKIE : The Legacy has to have hit a vital part of the 738. But I cannot imagine what that might be. If the eyewitness report is any accurate (the plane did
38 Index2006 : --Do you mean it might have been a hit and run? Gol hit Legacy and ran away?
39 Post contains links Alessandro : Aruba, the cell-phone coverage in Brazil is far from 100% see http://www.gsmworld.com/roaming/gsminfo/cou_br.shtml
40 Post contains links A320ajm : Sky News reporting that the plane crashed vertically into he ground. (follow link) Surely this cannot be another case of rudder reversal. I thought Bo
41 Cricket : We should not speculate and circulate wild rumours about what happened. I'm sure Brazil's air accident investigators are as competent as the world's b
42 Raivavae : If aircarft was flying low over rain forest is correct, then there is hope for survivors.... Remenber Air France 320 at Habsheim , huge crash noise, l
43 Post contains images BMIFlyer : It is apossibility that the collision with the Legacy could have caused the rudder reversal, depending on what part of the 737 was hit by the Biz jet
44 Lfutia : straight off CNN: Crashed Brazilian passenger plane appears to have plunged vertically into the ground, Brazil's airport authority says, according to
45 A320ajm : If the private jet said the 737 was in a descent when it hit him, then could there have been a problem to cause the 737 to descend before hiting the p
46 Airlinelover : Still waiting on an answer to this one.. It's a brand-new plane. Why would it have such old equipment onboard?? Chris
47 Mika : I guess everything is possible, especially as many of us here agree on the fact that the Embraer would have needed to do some crucial damage to the 7
48 SkepticAll : If one were to read the article you link, then follow your logic, are you leading the reader to believe that the "rudder reversal" phenomenon contrib
49 Index2006 : --Infraero's president has said that the Embraer plane might have caused the accident when both a/c should be 300m apart also he didn't know why radar
50 Arluna : First of all, my thoughts and prayers go out to the families of the victims. May God rest their souls. That said, remember that the 737 is not a fly b
51 Post contains links and images PPVRA : Here's a map of the location and showing both flights' routes: http://www.estadao.com.br/ext/especi...nfograficos/acidente2909/index.htm So sad
52 A320ajm : I would say the same if it had happened to an Airbus, BAE etc Any plane!!!
53 SkepticAll : My God..........I did not know so many NTSB members frequented this board! For those who have somehow already drawn the conclusion that the damage cau
54 BOAC911 : Does anyone remember the mid-air collision of a Spantax Coronado and an Iberia DC-9 over France in 1973? The Spantax plane landed safely on a military
55 WorldTraveler : both manufacturers will be involved in the investigation and will provide techinical assistance. The FAA and NTSB will undoubtedly be watching very cl
56 Mika : I for one am not trying to put any blame on Boeing for this, i'm just pondering how a large airliner could come down like this. Be it a Boeing, Airbu
57 SW733 : One question - Why, if it were a delivery flight, would the Legacy be taking off from Rio de Janeiro and not Sao Jose dos Campos? I am in S.J.d.C rig
58 SKA380 : That's a whooole lot of metal and cargo it needs to cut through, as the control cables run about in the center of the fuselage. If indeed the private
59 Index2006 : --For those who died may Jesus receive them. --For those who will investigate: only the TRUTH.
60 DeC : Here we go again. Every time there's a plane crash, no matter how shocked and saddened we all are, speculations and discussions on the causes will al
61 777Daedalus : I just heard on Radio Jovem Pan (major São Paulo radio station) tht they received a press report from the crash site stating there were 5 survivors o
62 Post contains images Pilotaydin : there doesn't have to be something wrong with the plane....80% of crashes are pilot error.... in due time the details will come out... it's just scary
63 Post contains images PPVRA : It did. The Orange path is for the 737.
64 SW733 : Wow, you are completely right...I just got off a 12 hours of plane travel, guess I'm not thinking (or seeing!) clearly. Between this and my double po
65 Jush : Why do you have so damn many strange characters in your post mate? Regds jush
66 777Daedalus : At least FIVE survivors found at GOL crash site - being helicoptered as we speak to Alto Xingu for emergency treatment. THIS IS A MIRACLE!!! There may
67 Famfmarques : If this is indeed correct than it is GREAT news!!! Sources please?
68 Luisca : Lets hope this is true and not get to excited just yet, you know how are Latin American press likes to spread rumors without confirming first. I take
69 PlanesNTrains : There obviously could be many different things that happened. It would seem logical at this point, though, looking at the few things we know, that a m
70 777Daedalus : I heard this on Radio Jovem Pan AM (www.jovempan.com.br) from a correspondent on the ground in Peixoto de Azevedo. Jovem Pan is interrupting their reg
71 Legacy135 : I could imagine, the Legacy going with one of it's winglets trough a vital section of the Boeing and disabling major systems as hydraulics, flight co
72 David L : Logical? With the speeds and masses involved and the lack of much information, I fail to see the point of wild guesses as to which particular single
73 Post contains links Lamedianaranja : Let's hope there are more survivors and that they'll be able to shed some light on what went on before the crash. Famous wreck survivor Michael Matz
74 RICARIZA : Dont get your answer PPVRA, I still have the same question. The blue path (Legacy) seems to start in Sao Jose dos Campos instead of RIO..
75 777Daedalus : Newest brief from Aeronautical Command via Jovem Pan radio states that there is no current confirmation of survivors, that rescue personnel are not ye
76 Post contains images David L : First of all, I didn't see that post as I was still typing mine. Secondly, I wouldn't count that point as one of those I was criticising as I know yo
77 Post contains links Famfmarques : Folha is reporting that someone in Infraero "mentioned" there are survivals: http://www1.folha.uol.com.br/folha/cotidiano/ult95u126520.shtml (I´m edd
78 SW733 : Which is correct. SJdC is the home base of Embraer, and so the Legacy was taking off from there for the USA supposedly, and represented with the blue
79 PPVRA : Infraero has acknowledged info about survivors, but has not confirmed how many. Let's hope its more than 5!
80 Zeke : Survivors are a possibility, however a very low probability. I am now hearing that the two events may not be connected. A suggestion has surfaced tha
81 Jbguller : Just for clarification, he was saying that the orange solid route is the route the 738 was taking, with the dotted orange route the route that it wou
82 LipeGIG : Guys i just arrive at Rio thru GIG. At GIG T1 (used by Gol) there is a lot of people and too much info (i just arrive on time the first possible survi
83 Post contains links and images Gabo787 : http://oglobo.globo.com/pais/mat/2006/09/30/285909076.asp acording to oglobo, recue teams are at the site of the crash and there are no survivors, sad
84 DeC : I am confused...who should we believe now? Just wait i guess for more official announcements.
85 XA744 : Have checked GOL´s webiste. I find their commitment to make all details of the accident available to families of the passengers of flight 1907, and t
86 57AZ : NPR radio just reported that the aircraft has been found but that Brazilian authorities say it may be several days before a ground party can reach the
87 Post contains links LipeGIG : Yes XA744, they created a website, hired a company to take care of everything (specialized in social communication), established key staffs (taking c
88 WildcatYXU : How much time is it from the disappearance? 19 hours? I'm afraid that even if there were any survivors immediately after the crash, they didn't have
89 Baron95 : I'm going to venture a theory as to how this could have happened - I know it is too early to speculate, but... In portuguese, flight level 330 and 36
90 LipeGIG : ETA BSB was 1812 yesterday. Exactly 19h 27min right now, seems about 20 to 21 hours after the estimated time of the event. Brazilian Air Force keeps
91 Index2006 : --Mobile phones are not covered in the site of the crash according to the mayor of the nearest town where is 200km away. Rescue teams have accepted th
92 Post contains images MauriceB : Yeah Yeah after 10 reply's i know my statement doesnt make sense Serieosly, I think the Legacy must have cut some control wires of the 737, making it
93 Speedbird128 : So sad... So very sad... It's phenomenal how close aircraft can get - and God forbid such accidents happen.... May those who perished rest in peace...
94 D L X : Because we don't want to. Why do people want to stop others from speculating? Our speculating won't cause anyone any harm. If you don't want to parti
95 PPVRA : I don't know if it has been reported in these threads yet, but that article also mentions tail damage in addition to the wing damage to the Legacy.
96 Post contains links and images Cpharris5514 : According to MSNBC, yes, the wreckage has been spotted, but they literally have to "open up" the jungle to get to it. Here's a link to the article: ht
97 77411 : Common since. Think about it. Your at altitude and you are struck by something. It doesn't matter the age, size, or make, if you receive damage to ju
98 Coa747 : Rember the midair collision over Germany, in that one the DHL 757 continued to fly for several minutes minus its vertical stabilizer but eventually cr
99 OPNLguy : Through the cabin floor, IIRC... If the collision (assuming there indeed was one) was anything of a head-on nature, the closure speeds would have bee
100 Index2006 : --There are five living members of the accidented Legacy and four of them are americans. It is strange that no U.S media has contacted them yet and go
101 Spacecadet : We have enough information to create a logical chain of events. Whether that chain ends up being correct is a different story, but enough information
102 S.p.a.s. : Index2006, Perhaps due the fact they are on a military only airfield in the middle of nowhere? Cheers
103 OPNLguy : Given that this was a freshly-delivered aircraft and that Boeing has been delivering 737s with the new rudder fixes already installed for at least a
104 Post contains images Cpharris5514 : It depends on any number of factors, not only including how hard a larger aircraft was hit, but where, etc. I remember the Pacific Southwest Airlines
105 WSOY : This is a common misconseption. If two identical objects collide at 100 km/h, both in principle receive the same damage as they would have received w
106 Post contains images David L : Spot on! That's exactly what I meant but I'm useless.
107 77411 : Here we go lets blame the Americans. We all know it was a Bush Admin plot to bring down this plane. The pilot of the Legacy was such a great pilot th
108 Khobar : But in that case the Cessna definitely did not survive and land successfully. In the case of the GOL collision/crash, one potential area of interest
109 LipeGIG : Remember they are in an Air Force Base in the middle of Amazon Forest without cellphone. Only the 2 black boxes will help us to know exactly what hap
110 Index2006 : --It's been almost twenty four hours now since G3 1907 took off from Manaus and family and friends of the victims are agonising over the feelings and
111 Amazonphil : The control cables are just under the cabin floor in a little sectioned out area. They are visable for inspection in various areas through out the le
112 SeeTheWorld : Stop it! This is absolutely unncessary. First, I do not believe that is what he meant, and second, if it were, it doesn't deserve a response. This ty
113 Osiris30 : Wow man, defensive enough? Seriously, if you read that, into the original remark I think you read a bit too far! However, it is odd that CNN hasn't m
114 TheSonntag : What a terrible disaster. This year has seen losses of A320s and 737 NGs, two of the most modern airplane designs existing. It shows that despite all
115 DTWAGENT : Hey hang on here. Why are we fighting over this. Lets all think about the 155 passengers and their families that are dealing with this right now. How
116 77411 : agreed
117 Index2006 : Please, it is an A/F base with available communications. The pilot has already being heard and all five passengers are NOT under arrest. They are not
118 Dellatorre : Please don't be so dramatic!!! I have to agree that is kjnd of curious that CNN or any other international media that I've been watching so far have
119 EMBQA : Not true at all. Nothing is know about the Legacy other then it diverted because of a problem. The Brazilian Gov't is already backing away from inita
120 PPVRA : Ridiculous. We don't even know who was flying at the time. The single Brazilian onboard the Legacy was a pilot also. Whoever was flying at the time h
121 OPNLguy : Not odd at all... 1/ They're at an AFB in the middle of nowhere. 2/ There's little incentive for the crew to speak with the press, since (1) the medi
122 Flyusairways : IIRC, according to the rules of relative velocity, the velocities of both opposing objects are indeed added to one another to determine the overall i
123 Post contains images PADSpot : Correct. The actual point is that a "hillside" does not absorb any energy. Nevertheless a head-on-head direct hit of two equally sized airplanes woul
124 Post contains links Richierich : Just to recap this story, it does not sound like there are any survivors. USAToday is reporting that the chance of finding any survivors in practicall
125 SeeTheWorld : I have been somewhat surprised at the lack of coverage in the U.S. and on CNN. However, I suspect it is because there is very little information comi
126 Express1 : A reporter from Jane aviation, on BBCnews24 said that the ERJ135BJ could of hit the tail section of the Gol B738,which my explain why the plane went
127 Osiris30 : OPNLguy: I'm not surprised by the flight crews being professional. I'm surprised CNN hasn't stooped to the level of smuggling someone in, to harass th
128 TUNisia : I hope the families involved find comfort during the time to come... TUNisia
129 Lijnden : Is terrorism a possibility? For example a bomb might have blown off the tail or some other part that would have hit the Legacy? I cannot imagine the b
130 Famfmarques : The media here (especially Globo) is repeatedly affirming that the edge of the left Legacy´s wing sliced the belly of Gol´s 738. It really annoys me
131 Richierich : The truth is that it is always a possibility until it can be ruled out. My guess is that this was a horribly tragic accident and not terrorism - it d
132 Mandala499 : If it did slice it, I don't thing the Legacy would be sitting relatively intact on an airfield at the moment... IMHO... Any possibility of a 3rd objec
133 Luisca : Terrorism doesn't sound likely, what kind of target is a Brazilian airplane in a domestic run, seems more like a tragic accident. What happened to TCA
134 DeC : Don't want to spark up any theories yet, but yeah, i thought of that as well. I doubt we'll ever know though, with no survivors. So sad and.....odd.
135 Amritpal : thoughts and prayers for the passengers...
136 Post contains links Richierich : Not so fast! If the CVR and data recorders are in good condition, then I think they will be able to tell a lot about what happened. It sounds like th
137 Express1 : Hopefully when the authorities find the black box,all will be revealed. dave
138 F9Animal : This is indeed very sad news. The conflicting reports of survivors is beyond pathetic. When someone says 5 survivors, and it turns out to be incorrect
139 David L : There's also the wreckage and, possibly, witnesses from the other aircraft to consider.
140 LipeGIG : Gol provided a conference with Mr. Barioni (Technical VP) and Mr. Constantino (President / CEO) right now at their HQ in Sao Paulo: - Gol is doing ALL
141 EMA747 : I have only just started reading this so this may have been answered already but...We know the 738 went down and that a Legacy with damage made a lan
142 Richierich : I agree. Although it is of little consolation to the relatives of those that were on this flight, this crash sounds like it will be solvable. Yes, it
143 Index2006 : --First Press conference by GOL CEO Constantino Oliveira has added nothing and he said nothing but refused to answer due to lack of any informations a
144 PPVRA : Update: - NYT reporter and columnist Joe Sharkey was one of the passangers onboard the Legacy. No info why he was aboard. - Two military personel are
145 Piercey : Doesn't NYT use Excelair on occaision? If so, that maybe why.
146 B707Stu : " target=_blank>http://news.sky.com/skynews/article/....html A very cheap shot to a very sad story. Very sad comment about a collision. Talk about no
147 Index2006 : --For Christ sake, how hard is it to answer whether or not they have found any dead or alive passenger?!
148 United787 : My heart goes out to the loved ones of those involved in this accident, I pray that they find some survivors. Can we recap about what is KNOWN, from r
149 United787 : I think you can assume that they haven't found any survivors yet. I am sure that the Brazilian officials and Gol are not going to release any informa
150 PPVRA : All correct. The 738 is also a SFP (Short Field Performance) aircraft, delivered Sept. 12.
151 RICARIZA : Got it now! thanks
152 Amazonphil : Speaking of locations and not that it's of a big concern...BUT, the area where the plane went down is actually in the state Mato Grosso just inside t
153 Jpax : Just like they 100% verified that the ERJ had a mid-air with the 738? And 5 survivors? Now they don't even know if the ERJ had anything to do with th
154 OPNLguy : I'm by no means an actuary or statistician, but I would think that the odds of an explosive device being triggered at exactly the proper split-second
155 Index2006 : --Sorry but I can't help from thinking of one hundred and fifty five humans loosing their lives in a plane crash that was a brand new Boeing 737-800 d
156 United787 : Isn't the Amazon Rain Forest defined as any rain forest that is part of the Amazon River Drainage Basin and not necessarily what state it is in. Is t
157 Amazonphil : I've heard and read that the plane was delivered on Sept. 12th...
158 DeC : I agree with you of course, however while i am not talking wild terrorism theories here, isn't the whole a bit odd? I mean it's to early to expect of
159 Index2006 : --sorry but I wouldn't also rule out investigating Varig and Vasp and Tam personnel. I feel terribly suspicious.
160 Osiris30 : Actually (and not that I'm supporting the terrosist idea here), they aren't quite that large. You'd have roughly a window of 2s (based on sizes and s
161 Post contains links LipeGIG : Unfortunately, the first Police officers says there are no survivors. The info come from Globo G1 website. http://g1.globo.com/Noticias/Brasil/0,,AA1
162 Osiris30 : In military circles it's called 'Fog of war'. Right now alot of people are probably focused more on doing than talking, so information doesn't flow a
163 OPNLguy : That's a first in my 25+ years in the airline biz--someone suggesting that the employees of one airline are responsible for another airline's acciden
164 Amazonphil : Well the area in which it went down doesn't necessarly have a river that drains into the Amazon river basin itself. The Rio Purus is near Porto Velho
165 Sxmarbury33 : Could rapid decompression been a major factor?
166 David L : Exactly what I was thinking. Even if it had just been pure chance that the other aircraft was close enough to be affected, they'd have to have been p
167 Index2006 : --The plane left the U.S on 9-11.
168 Vimanav : My prayers for all those who are affected by this tragedy. May those who lost their lives rest in peace. With regard to the above comment, I would lik
169 Osiris30 : 9-11 is just another date on the calendar folks. We make a big deal about it because of what happened. I *really* doubt a Boeing plane left the facto
170 Post contains images Amazonphil : Ah..ok But it's reasonable to consider then that GOL would have received it on the 12th. As you might ascertain, it's not a flight "next door" From I
171 OPNLguy : It's certainly possible, not as an initiator, but as a consequence of any mid-air.. Initial (and conflicting) reports aside, nobody will know for sur
172 DC10Forever : Just a quick note: Have just read on GloboNews that at leasr one pilot of the Legacy was Brazilian and there were another 5 passengers, being 4 Americ
173 OPNLguy : Exactly. We've seen (from history) that some mid-airs are surviveable and some are not, and it largely comes down to luck, where the hit was and what
174 Post contains images Antiuser : I don't want to sound like a troll, but seriously this type of talk does not belong in this thread. The idea that JJ, RG or VP might have anything to
175 Post contains links RICARIZA : Here is the list of the passengers: http://www.brazzilmag.com/content/view/7308/53/
176 Amazonphil : Who I understand came out unscathed, and walked out of where he landed in his parachute to a town. Quite miraculous to me..
177 StrangeLESI : Brazilian air force has confirmed that there are no survivors... May they ALL rest in pece!
178 WSOY : If two objects colliding at 100 km/h did not each appear colliding with a wall at 100 km/h, we would start collecting the "extra energy". The gain wo
179 OPNLguy : Miraculous indeed, and like I said, a nanosecond earlier or later, it could have been really ugly for him. Trying to infuse logic and the results of
180 Richierich : I liked United787's summary - I thought it was right on considering what has happened and what we know (very little). Reading the media is a lesson i
181 BostonGuy : I think we'll let you sit in a room by yourself. You may feel terribly suspicious... I think there are other things that should be concerning you mor
182 David L : I managed to miss that. I totally agree, Antiuser. It's one of the many possibilities but you have to wonder how likely it is. How many civilian airc
183 QatarA340 : May they all rest in peace. How tragic for all family members--may God bless their souls. It is surprising that the small jet that collided managed to
184 Amazonphil : Very true indeed...
185 Dellatorre : Please get a life!!! This associations are completely uncalled for!!!! A new theory is being proposed by an Aviation specialist that was live on Glob
186 Antiuser : It's certainly more plausible than a sabotage by other airlines, as Index2006 says.
187 OPNLguy : About the only possible exception I can think of as far as involving a depressurization was if, in fact, the 738 had one and started down and had to
188 Post contains images Amazonphil : As was suggested earlier and I concur, if the Legacy jet hit a tail surface...the elevator or rudder of the 737, with it's wing tip and sheared it of
189 OPNLguy : Logic has little to do with it... From one of my previous post... Exactly. We've seen (from history) that some mid-airs are surviveable and some are
190 BY738 : what are the statistics? are there a disproportionate number of air crashes in South America or does it just seem like that ?
191 EMA747 : People in the aviation industry are among the most proffesional of all industries so I cant see this being case. Like a sailor wouldnt sail by a sink
192 Comorin : Brazil magazine (link above) says that the Goverment claims there are survivors...Hope it's true.
193 YLWbased : reporting by CTV news Canada, saids the plane crashed nose down, no sign of survivors.
194 Post contains links Lumberton : Apologies if posted before, but I couldn't find it. Here is a link to an article in Flight International in which Embraer announces that it believes t
195 Amazonphil : If this proves to be a midair collision, it's the only one I've ever heard of down in that region..I grew up in the upper Amazon River Basin 20 years
196 Lufthansa747 : Well... Why would it get some attention??? George's dictatorship doesn't care. I've tried for hours to find some real informarion here in Thailand -
197 Amazonphil : Sorry BY738,,,,misread your question...you just stated air crashes..not midair crashes. Yes, there have been some crashes but not that many. Less tha
198 SeeTheWorld : Give me a f**king break!!
199 767-332ER : I think you are being terribly unfair here and believe it or not, they are still American news agencies, just like all of the other agencies in the w
200 SeeTheWorld : HEY!! That's enough of this sh*t!!! I am no fan of my current government, but your comments above are absolutely out of line. A crash in LEX that kil
201 Post contains links PPVRA : Let the media confuse itself. There has been no official reports of survivors, nor any confirmation. Infraero at one point acknowlodged information a
202 Post contains links RichM : ITV also states that there are "no signs" of survivors. http://www.itv.com/news/index_9369c41fe8812252f0e686cf9b9d3aee.html
203 Post contains images Osiris30 : Since Time Warner bought CNN it has gone down hill and turned into just another propoganda machine, with some elments of Jerry Springer thrown in. A
204 Index2006 : Agree with it. Also should we respect other people's views. I'm a free thinker who is used to analysing from all points of view. Brainstorming and no
205 Post contains images QFSYD744 : Talked to my cousin in California. They are preparing to depart this evening on QF from LAX-SYD. They said the news said nothing, if very little in t
206 PPVRA : It was the front page story at CNN.com for most of the day today, possibly since yesterday.
207 Trekster : Its been on the front page of CNN/BBC and Reuters all day. RIP
208 Pilotaydin : this thread has been hijacked and gone haywire...... there are dead pilots, crew and people here....and look at the shit some of you have posted....un
209 CcrlR : Is this is the first fatal accident(and crash) with a 737NG(flight involved)? Should have the TCAS notified them about this?
210 Amazonphil : First one other than WN's landing mishap with a 73G at MDW earlier this year. But the fatallty was not onboard the plane...was a pass. in a car. Rgs
211 RichM : I disagree, I don't think anyone has said anything that could be regarded as highly inappropriate. This forum consists of aviation enthusiasts and pr
212 Hoya : If a collission did in fact occur, that is the question investigators will be trying to answer. Maybe this was answered in a previous post (I admit,
213 SeeTheWorld : It has gone haywire .. what are some of these people thinking??
214 AirSpare : @Lufthansa747 I can't believe you said that on this thread. I have relatives in Brasil, I'm American and also have a CPF. you have insulted everyone o
215 Post contains links Drewfly : I looked up Cachimbo AFB on Google Maps. You people weren't kidding, this place is in the middle of nowhere. http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&hl=e...20
216 Ikramerica : Come now. While I think the america bashing is dumb, nobody is focusing on the friends and family, honestly. Since we don't know who the friends and
217 Post contains links and images Antiuser : First photo of crash site released:
218 Post contains links Famfmarques : Returning to the subject, Terra just published what seems to be the first pictures of the crash site released by ANAC. http://noticias.terra.com.br/br
219 Post contains links Lumberton : CNN News report (for those that think that this isn't getting any attention in the U.S.): http://www.cnn.com/2006/WORLD/americas/09/30/brazil.crash/in
220 PPVRA : Incredible. Completely engulfed by the trees. They did a good job finding it so quick. It doesn't really look like it crashed nose-first, however. Tha
221 Post contains images United787 : Seeing that picture of the Gol logo on the tail through the trees makes it all the more real and sad.
222 EMBQA : Well... it was banner news last night on CNN.com and FoxNews.com around 930pm when I went to bed last night... it was on the morning news before I le
223 Alessandro : One 21-year old lady missed the Gol flight due to booking hiccup, lucky her.
224 LipeGIG : Second New Generation, please look to reply 8. First 737-800. Mr. Barioni (Gol Vice President) confirmed that PR-GTD departs MAO without any item NO-
225 BostonGuy : I don't think they're paying close attention... it's a Congressman, not a Senator. Absolutely. This is the 2nd day of this receiving constant coverag
226 TACAA320 : According to CNN unfortunatelly there are no survivors. Indeed another black page in aviation history.
227 C010T3 : I have to say... I think you skipped some Geography lessons. Do you actually know the difference between "Amazonas" and "Amazônia"? The forest is lo
228 LipeGIG : The news shows more 2 person with the same situation. One lost the flight because it's name was mentioned wrongly on E-Ticket and due to the time to
229 A300605R : Guess that's what Amazonphil said. Tropical forests are covering a larger area than the state of Amazonas. It's so sad to read all the names of the P
230 OPNLguy : Starting Part-3 now.. Please post there...
231 C010T3 : And not because they are outside of its borders, it means they have another name. It's just one forest.
232 Swissy : First, bless these passengers/crews and my condolences to their families Second, please guys try to stay on topic I do not think this is the right tim
233 Post contains links RichM : OPNLguy has started Part-3 for this topic: Gol PR-GTD Crashed While Running MAO-BSB! Part 3 (by OPNLguy Oct 1 2006 in Civil Aviation) Remember that so
234 Post contains images Allstarflyer : Yeah, I think Bushpilot was the 1st one to bring that up in the last thread. I've also read that the TCAS may not have been functioning properly/if a
235 TIMEAIR : Ok, everone has speculated that the 2 aircraft collided. However eyewitness reports say the 737 "exploded" in flight. First of all, if the Embraer's w
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