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User currently offlineNtspelich From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 764 posts, RR: 0
Posted (7 years 11 months 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 4038 times:

Does anyone have any info on the DL and US hangars at TPA. I've only been down here a few weeks, and all that I've been able to gather on them is that they haven't been used in quite some time. I know that someone told me that the employees at one of them came into work on Thanksgiving and were told that they no longer had jobs. Anyone have anything else, or if there's any plans for another carrier to take them over?


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User currently offlineTu154m From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 682 posts, RR: 5
Reply 1, posted (7 years 11 months 6 days ago) and read 3978 times:

DL closed theirs awhile back. According to Tony Charaf, DL's Sr VP of TechOps, when asked by employees about the future of TPA, his reply was......"Tampa's not even on the radar". It wasn't less than a month later and it was closed. Great guy that headhunter........they moved alot of DFW guys to TPA after closing DFW, then about 3 months later they had to move again. And they wonder why morale is low and nobody trusts management. Charaf is also the guy that gutted DL's heavy maintenance and has changed contractors 3 times in a little over a year...........great guy and solid manager.


CEOs should swim with cement flippers!
User currently offlineTPAnx From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 1021 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (7 years 11 months 6 days ago) and read 3967 times:

Welcome to the neighborhood! I'm not aware of any plans for the use of the two hangers. Got to go inside both on a tour once--they look small from the terminal...they're huge...think it was US Air's that had three good-sized aircraft inside, with room to spare..
TPAnx



I read the news today..oh boy
User currently offlineDl757md From United States of America, joined May 2004, 1562 posts, RR: 16
Reply 3, posted (7 years 11 months 6 days ago) and read 3946 times:

Quoting Tu154m (Reply 1):
And they wonder why morale is low and nobody trusts management. Charaf is also the guy that gutted DL's heavy maintenance and has changed contractors 3 times in a little over a year...........great guy and solid manager.

He was out in SLC recently. He would answer just about every question with I have the numbers/info you're looking for I just won't tell you because it might not work out the way we've planned. Then he keeps telling us to buy into the "plan", the same one he won't tell us about. Without a doubt, by far the most ridiculous, absolute waste of time meeting I've ever been to at Delta. I wouldn't trust the guy to manage the making of my coffee let alone the TOC.

DL757Md



757 Most beautiful airliner in the sky!
User currently offlineTVNWZ From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 2375 posts, RR: 2
Reply 4, posted (7 years 11 months 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 3884 times:

Quoting Tu154m (Reply 1):
According to Tony Charaf, DL's Sr VP of TechOps, when asked by employees about the future of TPA, his reply was......"Tampa's not even on the radar". It wasn't less than a month later and it was closed. Great guy that headhunter........they moved alot of DFW guys to TPA after closing DFW, then about 3 months later they had to move again. And they wonder why morale is low and nobody trusts management. Charaf is also the guy that gutted DL's heavy maintenance and has changed contractors 3 times in a little over a year...........great guy and solid manager.

So, he tells you and then...possibly for business reasons...the game plan changes and he is a bad guy.

Quoting Dl757md (Reply 3):
He was out in SLC recently. He would answer just about every question with I have the numbers/info you're looking for I just won't tell you because it might not work out the way we've planned. Then he keeps telling us to buy into the "plan", the same one he won't tell us about. Without a doubt, by far the most ridiculous, absolute waste of time meeting I've ever been to at Delta. I wouldn't trust the guy to manage the making of my coffee let alone the TOC.

So now he tells you that it might not work out so he won't say, and he is still a bad guy for doing the opposite of what he is being criticized for above.

Damned if he does. Damned if he doesn't.

There was an article in one of the newspapers a time ago that the layed off machinists were trying to form some sort of company themselves to do outsource maintainance. They wanted seed money from the government, but it was balking because their startup finances were weak. Apparently, nothing came of that initiative.


User currently offlineDl757md From United States of America, joined May 2004, 1562 posts, RR: 16
Reply 5, posted (7 years 11 months 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 3855 times:

Quoting TVNWZ (Reply 4):
So, he tells you and then...possibly for business reasons...the game plan changes and he is a bad guy.

The status of a station with a few hundred employees DOES NOT go from "not even on the radar" meaning no cuts are planned to being shut down in less than 30 days. He had to have known when he made that statement that it was going to happen. If for some reason he didn't know, then he should have explained why he didn't and the exact circumstances for why events transpired as they did. He did neither.

Quoting TVNWZ (Reply 4):
So now he tells you that it might not work out so he won't say, and he is still a bad guy for doing the opposite of what he is being criticized for above.

Damned if he does. Damned if he doesn't.

A good honest manager never finds himself in the predicament you mention because he knows how to explain to those underneath him what he is doing without putting himself in a corner. He respects those underneath him and trusts them to be able to handle the truth. We all realize that mistakes happen and can accept that as long as those responsible are held accountable. That's the way it us for us front line employees, it should be no different for managers.

The bottom line is that the guy won't be truthful with us. I understand that there are non-disclosure statements and all that. But when our local managers met with COO Jim Whitehurst he laid it all out to them and they relayed it back to us. Charaf wouldn't throw us even the smallest bone to latch on to because he won't tell us anything without lying. He chooses to keep us in the dark so he doesn't have to answer for his lies. Oh how I wish we had Valeika back and upper management that would support his vision of Delta Tech Ops.

DL757Md



757 Most beautiful airliner in the sky!
User currently offlineCommavia From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 11559 posts, RR: 62
Reply 6, posted (7 years 11 months 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 3854 times:

Question: now that Delta has shuttered DFW and TPA, is it still doing any of its overhaul MX in-house at the main ATL TOC? Or is all overhaul being outsourced? And if Delta is outsourcing heavy MX, what are they doing at the ATL TOC?

User currently offlineA330323X From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 3039 posts, RR: 44
Reply 7, posted (7 years 11 months 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 3839 times:

Quoting Ntspelich (Thread starter):
Does anyone have any info on the DL and US hangars at TPA. I've only been down here a few weeks, and all that I've been able to gather on them is that they haven't been used in quite some time. I know that someone told me that the employees at one of them came into work on Thanksgiving and were told that they no longer had jobs.

Hey now, US Airways closed its TPA heavy maintenance hangar on November 26, 2002, which I'll have you know was two full days before Thanksgiving.  thumbsdown   thumbsdown 

While the company would no doubt have closed it anyway, word is that they intentionally picked the cruel timing because the TPA mechanics had voted strongly against the September 2002 round of concessions.  thumbsdown   thumbsdown 

The company literally sent in security goons in the middle of the night without warning to escort all the employees off the property and to prevent anyone else from entering the premises.  thumbsdown   thumbsdown 

And in their zeal to give the employees no notice, the company violated the W.A.R.N. Act and incurred who-knows-how-much in penalties. (Good luck getting a straight answer from US on just how much it cost them.)

US rejected the lease on the TPA facility (after defaulting on it) during the first bankruptcy, and no longer has any interest in the property.



I'm the expert on here on two things, neither of which I care about much anymore.
User currently offline727LOVER From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 6422 posts, RR: 17
Reply 8, posted (7 years 11 months 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 3812 times:

The DL employees no one? I'm surprised. I thought they still did SOME form of work over there. Come to think of it, I haven't seen those doors open for a while.


Listen Betty, don't start up with your 'White Zone' s*** again.
User currently offlineCharlienorth From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 1121 posts, RR: 5
Reply 9, posted (7 years 11 months 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 3812 times:

Quoting A330323X (Reply 7):

Hey now, US Airways closed its TPA heavy maintenance hangar on November 26, 2002, which I'll have you know was two full days before Thanksgiving.

While the company would no doubt have closed it anyway, word is that they intentionally picked the cruel timing because the TPA mechanics had voted strongly against the September 2002 round of concessions.

The company literally sent in security goons in the middle of the night without warning to escort all the employees off the property and to prevent anyone else from entering the premises.

And in their zeal to give the employees no notice, the company violated the W.A.R.N. Act and incurred who-knows-how-much in penalties. (Good luck getting a straight answer from US on just how much it cost them.)

US rejected the lease on the TPA facility (after defaulting on it) during the first bankruptcy, and no longer has any interest in the property.

But the fares are kept low...how dare those greedy mechanics keep people safe.


User currently offlineCrogalski From United States of America, joined May 2005, 514 posts, RR: 3
Reply 10, posted (7 years 11 months 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 3803 times:

The DL hangar in TPA usually has one or two DL planes inside of it.. meanwhile, the US one is usually used for the HCAA. One of the doors are usually opened


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User currently offlineDl757md From United States of America, joined May 2004, 1562 posts, RR: 16
Reply 11, posted (7 years 11 months 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 3780 times:

Quoting Commavia (Reply 6):
Question: now that Delta has shuttered DFW and TPA, is it still doing any of its overhaul MX in-house at the main ATL TOC? Or is all overhaul being outsourced? And if Delta is outsourcing heavy MX, what are they doing at the ATL TOC?

All overhauls have been outsourced.

767 Air Canada YVR
757 Timco LCQ
MD88/90 Aeromexico GDL, Timco LCQ, and AAR in OKC

I'm not sure of the 738 and 777 fleets.

ATL TOC does mainly non-routine and routine mtc. that takes 5 days or less.

DL757Md



757 Most beautiful airliner in the sky!
User currently offlineCharlienorth From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 1121 posts, RR: 5
Reply 12, posted (7 years 11 months 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 3761 times:

Quoting Dl757md (Reply 11):
All overhauls have been outsourced.

767 Air Canada YVR
757 Timco LCQ
MD88/90 Aeromexico GDL, Timco LCQ, and AAR in OKC

I'm not sure of the 738 and 777 fleets.

ATL TOC does mainly non-routine and routine mtc. that takes 5 days or less.

DL757Md

What line stations are left?


User currently offlineDl757md From United States of America, joined May 2004, 1562 posts, RR: 16
Reply 13, posted (7 years 11 months 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 3712 times:

Quoting Charlienorth (Reply 12):
What line stations are left?

ATL
BDL
BOS
CVG
DCA
DEN
FLL
HNL
JFK
LAS
LAX
LGA
MCO
SEA
SFO
SLC
TPA

Dl757Md



757 Most beautiful airliner in the sky!
User currently offlineFreedom747 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (7 years 11 months 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 3632 times:

C. E. Woolman is rolling over in his grave!

User currently offlineDl_mech From United States of America, joined Feb 2000, 1937 posts, RR: 9
Reply 15, posted (7 years 11 months 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 3592 times:

Quoting Dl757md (Reply 11):
I'm not sure of the 738 and 777 fleets.

We did a PSV-8 in the hangar before I left. I was told that it was equivalent to an HMV-1. 777 heavy PSV's are coming up shortly......



This plane is built to withstand anything... except a bad pilot.
User currently offlineAvConsultant From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 1360 posts, RR: 3
Reply 16, posted (7 years 11 months 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 3483 times:

What's going on with the DL hanger in CVG? About a year ago, I saw an American Eagle ERJ in the hanger.

Now that I think of it, I have never seen a DL jet in the hanger while connecting in CVG then again I never connect late at night.


User currently offlineLawnDart From United States of America, joined May 2005, 970 posts, RR: 3
Reply 17, posted (7 years 11 months 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 3428 times:

Quoting TVNWZ (Reply 4):
So, he tells you and then...possibly for business reasons...the game plan changes and he is a bad guy.



Quoting TVNWZ (Reply 4):
So now he tells you that it might not work out so he won't say, and he is still a bad guy for doing the opposite of what he is being criticized for above.

Damned if he does. Damned if he doesn't.

TVNWZ, have you ever dealt with Tony Charaf? Has your life ever been influenced by Tony Charaf? I'll bet not, yet you feel compelled to criticize two individuals who have for posting their feeliings about the man.


User currently offlineDl1011 From United States of America, joined May 1999, 386 posts, RR: 2
Reply 18, posted (7 years 11 months 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 3367 times:

"What line stations are left?"

PDX and SAN still have AMT's there on temp duty. Not sure if the other "closed" stations still have AMT's or not.

Agree with the others about TT. He has destroyed Tech Ops and the quality of the mtc and I believe is willing to accept lower quality and higher risk to save a buck.

Time to bail out.


User currently offlineCharlienorth From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 1121 posts, RR: 5
Reply 19, posted (7 years 11 months 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 3319 times:

Quoting Dl1011 (Reply 18):
What line stations are left?"

PDX and SAN still have AMT's there on temp duty. Not sure if the other "closed" stations still have AMT's or not.

Agree with the others about TT. He has destroyed Tech Ops and the quality of the mtc and I believe is willing to accept lower quality and higher risk to save a buck.

Time to bail out.

Sorry to hear that,more quality destroyed by pencil pushers...not only would Woolman be sick to see what's happening,so would Bob Six,C.R. Smith,Pat Patterson and allthe others that struggled in the early years.


User currently offlineDl757md From United States of America, joined May 2004, 1562 posts, RR: 16
Reply 20, posted (7 years 11 months 5 days ago) and read 3237 times:

Quoting Dl1011 (Reply 18):
PDX and SAN still have AMT's there on temp duty. Not sure if the other "closed" stations still have AMT's or not.

I'm not 100% sure but when I was on an out of town trip to SAN a few weeks ago they told me that the two mechanics left would be gone "in a few days".
PHX was the same way. We've had two guys that are stationed here (SLC) do TDY there, one for a year and the other over this summer but there is no one there now. We've also had one guy here go on TDY to DFW over the summer.

DL757Md



757 Most beautiful airliner in the sky!
User currently offlineDL1011 From United States of America, joined May 1999, 386 posts, RR: 2
Reply 21, posted (7 years 11 months 5 days ago) and read 3221 times:

"I'm not 100% sure but when I was on an out of town trip to SAN a few weeks ago they told me that the two mechanics left would be gone "in a few days".

The PDX and SAN temp guys are still tdy in PDX and SAN.

SFO also had some tdy, for "some" reason nobody wanted to recall there. They finally hired some people off the street.


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