Nwafflyer From United States of America, joined Jul 2004, 1050 posts, RR: 2 Posted (6 years 7 months 3 weeks 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 6421 times:
Today, a Mesaba flight attendant told me she would not go to Pinnacle, because of the safety issues - I really didn't know Pinnacle had major safety issues - can someone please enlighten me?
Filejw From United States of America, joined Sep 2000, 351 posts, RR: 1 Reply 1, posted (6 years 7 months 3 weeks 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 6247 times:
Your listening to a FA?That is a safety issue in its self.
777WT From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 874 posts, RR: 1 Reply 2, posted (6 years 7 months 3 weeks 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 6184 times:
In fact I would rather go to Pinnacle than to Mesaba. My company hired workers who quit working for Mesaba.
I talked to one of them after training classes at the hotel by the pool and was told bad stories about the way they maintain their planes, mostly about the interior cabin stuff.
And latey they have major maintenance problems with their Dash-8's at JFK since 2 weeks ago that DL got so pissed off and called us to provide service for them until Mesaba gets their act together.
My company sent out 2 spare ERJ-135's to JFK for service to DL in good faith that my company will keep the contract we have with DL currently since DL is sending regional flying contracts up for a re-bid.
Cessna057 From United States of America, joined Sep 2006, 439 posts, RR: 2 Reply 3, posted (6 years 7 months 3 weeks 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 6172 times:
Quoting Filejw (Reply 1): Your listening to a FA?That is a safety issue in its self.
LMAO!! So right. I was on a CO flight once speaking with a flight attendant and she told me "We have placed orders for the 772LR and will be opening flight to SIN and SYD." I knew it wasnt true but just sounded as if I was intruiged.
But yeah, FA's are not a reliable source of information at all.
Hold it . . . Hold it . . . HOLD THE FREAKIN NOSE UP!!
Flypdx From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 636 posts, RR: 0 Reply 4, posted (6 years 7 months 3 weeks 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 6172 times:
Quoting 777WT (Reply 2): And latey they have major maintenance problems with their Dash-8's at JFK since 2 weeks ago that SA)">DL got so pissed off and called us to provide service for them until Mesaba gets their act together.
You are thinking of MESA, not MESABA. Mesaba is a Northwest Airlink carrier, and Mesa does flying for SA)">DL Connection, United Express, UsAirways Express, and others(?)
2H4 From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 8950 posts, RR: 62 Reply 6, posted (6 years 7 months 3 weeks 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 6088 times:
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Quoting Filejw (Reply 1): Your listening to a FA?That is a safety issue in its self.
Show some respect, Filejw.
FAs, while not necessarily privy to internal corporate news, are certainly knowledgable enough to listen to, especially in matters relating to safety. Bear in mind, FAs are trained on and proficient in matters above and beyond serving drinks.
If I'm sitting up front flying the airplane, for example, and an FA says they see or hear something out of the ordinary, you better believe I'll listen to them...
Filejw From United States of America, joined Sep 2000, 351 posts, RR: 1 Reply 8, posted (6 years 7 months 3 weeks 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 6004 times:
2H4, Well I've been doing this for a real long time and they may have some good information on some subjects but safety? Doubtful.
2H4 From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 8950 posts, RR: 62 Reply 9, posted (6 years 7 months 3 weeks 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 5836 times:
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Quoting Filejw (Reply 8): they may have some good information on some subjects but safety? Doubtful.
Is safety not the primary responsibility of FAs? All I'm saying is your original comment had an insulting tone by suggesting that simply listening to an FA "is a safety issue in its self".
I don't doubt you've been flying for a long time, but I find it surprising that someone with a relatively high level of experience could speak of fellow crewmembers in such a disrespectful manner.
Filejw From United States of America, joined Sep 2000, 351 posts, RR: 1 Reply 10, posted (6 years 7 months 3 weeks 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 5696 times:
Like I said FA's have a lot to offer but a judgment on an other airlines safety?What is somebody giving you a freebie on your layovers.
We're Nuts From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 5705 posts, RR: 22 Reply 12, posted (6 years 7 months 3 weeks 5 days ago) and read 5614 times:
Quoting Filejw (Reply 10): Like I said FA's have a lot to offer but a judgment on an other airlines safety?What is somebody giving you a freebie on your layovers.
Since the FAA's charter was change in the wake of the Valujet crash, every 121 carrier in this country follows the same safety standards. The likelihood of dying on one is as miniscule as it is on another.
However, FA's are safety professionals. It's our job to keep the passengers alive. Please don't insult your partners in the sky like that.
DILF From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 13, posted (6 years 7 months 3 weeks 5 days ago) and read 5567 times:
Quoting 2H4 (Reply 9): but I find it surprising that someone with a relatively high level of experience could speak of fellow crewmembers in such a disrespectful manner.
Quoting We're Nuts (Reply 12): However, FA's are safety professionals. It's our job to keep the passengers alive. Please don't insult your partners in the sky like that.
How much of a "safety professional" was the originally mentioned Mesaba F/A who badmouthed -in a pretty serious way- Pinnacle Airlines (a carrier operating for NW just like the one she worked for) to a passenger!?
2H4 From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 8950 posts, RR: 62 Reply 14, posted (6 years 7 months 3 weeks 5 days ago) and read 5543 times:
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Quoting DILF (Reply 13): How much of a "safety professional" was the originally mentioned Mesaba F/A who badmouthed -in a pretty serious way- Pinnacle Airlines
It doesn't matter, dilf. Filejw's contends that listening to FAs in general is somehow a "safety issue". I disagree. Whether this particular FA's assertions were accurate is a seperate issue.
DILF From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 15, posted (6 years 7 months 3 weeks 5 days ago) and read 5543 times:
Quoting 2H4 (Reply 14): doesn't matter, dilf. Filejw's contends that listening to FAs in general is somehow a "safety issue". I disagree. Whether this particular FA's assertions were accurate is a seperate issue.
OK, I'll give you that - but do you acknowledge how unprofessional and inappropriate that F/A's comment was?
2H4 From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 8950 posts, RR: 62 Reply 16, posted (6 years 7 months 3 weeks 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 5501 times:
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Quoting DILF (Reply 15): but do you acknowledge how unprofessional and inappropriate that F/A's comment was?
As a matter of fact, I do consider what she did (making negative comments about a competing carrier) unprofessional and inappropriate, especially when those comments are communicated to a passenger and related to safety-of-flight issues.
But like I said...seperate issue. I maintain that, with regard to air safety, FAs should be considered a legitimate resource on board, and that they should be fully respected both as fellow crewmembers and as aviation professionals. Anything less will result in a more dangerous environment for all aboard the aircraft.
Filejw From United States of America, joined Sep 2000, 351 posts, RR: 1 Reply 17, posted (6 years 7 months 3 weeks 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 5496 times:
2H4,That's an assumption on your part. The discussion here is an FA from one airline is qualified to discuss the operational safety of an other carrier.Period.
2H4 From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 8950 posts, RR: 62 Reply 18, posted (6 years 7 months 3 weeks 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 5440 times:
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Quoting Filejw (Reply 17): The discussion here is an FA from one airline is qualified to discuss the operational safety of an other carrier.
It would also be an assumption to profess that FAs are never knowledgeable in matters relating to carriers other than their own. Would it not?
An FA from one airline may very well be qualified to discuss the operational safety of another carrier, just as you may be qualified to discuss the operational safety of a previous employer. While probably not authorized, you'd each potentially be qualified.
Filejw, your original comment...the only one I take issue with...had absolutely no qualifiers. As such, the only logical conclusion one could draw from it is that simply listening to an FA "is a safety issue in its self". And that brings us back to square one....that this attitude toward fellow crewmembers is detrimental to air safety.
If you never intended to communicate that the simple act of listening to an FA is a safety issue in itself, we can chalk it all up to a communication error.
If you do subscribe to this theory, well, I sincerely hope things go smoothly for you in the future.
Filejw From United States of America, joined Sep 2000, 351 posts, RR: 1 Reply 19, posted (6 years 7 months 3 weeks 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 5331 times:
If you would stick to the intent of the original poster you would not have to worry about communication. BTW at my airline I'm know as one of the Capt's that are first to back up the FA's on any matter.And after 30 yrs I have a real good idea what the FA's can do and not do and what to expect from them.Thats it for now time to pack my bag for the rink.
NWADC9 From United States of America, joined May 2004, 4857 posts, RR: 10 Reply 20, posted (6 years 7 months 3 weeks 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 5253 times:
Quoting 777WT (Reply 2): And latey they have major maintenance problems with their Dash-8's at JFK since 2 weeks ago
Eight years ago, I would've believed you, but you're thinking Freedom.
Flying an aeroplane with only a single propeller to keep you in the air. Can you imagine that? -Capt. Picard
Bobnwa From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 5977 posts, RR: 9 Reply 21, posted (6 years 7 months 3 weeks 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 4984 times:
Quoting 777WT (Reply 2): In fact I would rather go to Pinnacle than to Mesaba. My company hired workers who quit working for Mesaba.
I talked to one of them after training classes at the hotel by the pool and was told bad stories about the way they maintain their planes, mostly about the interior cabin stuff.
And latey they have major maintenance problems with their Dash-8's at JFK since 2 weeks ago that DL got so pissed off and called us to provide service for them until Mesaba gets their act together.
My company sent out 2 spare ERJ-135's to JFK for service to DL in good faith that my company will keep the contract we have with DL currently since DL is sending regional flying contracts up for a re-bid.
I do not think you are qualified to comment on safety issues about any airline if you confuse Mesaba (who doesn't own any Dash-8s) any does not do any flying for DL) with Mesa. At least I think it is Mesa you are confusing them with. Suggest you do more research on the industry before making observations.
NASBWI From Bahamas, joined Feb 2005, 1254 posts, RR: 0 Reply 22, posted (6 years 7 months 3 weeks 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 4815 times:
Quoting Filejw (Reply 17): 2H4,That's an assumption on your part. The discussion here is an FA from one airline is qualified to discuss the operational safety of an other carrier.Period.
I won't argue that, but when you say things like:
Quoting Filejw (Reply 1): Your listening to a FA?That is a safety issue in its self.
your comment goes away from "what the discussion was about" and you make more of a generalization - one which mocks the importance of FAs. i.e. using your reply as logic, one should then assume that when I'm briefing an exit row, they shouldn't listen (because apparently, us FAs don't know safety)? Because that's what your post implies, and that's what 2H4 was getting at. Not that this Mesaba FA was professional, and not that I'd support what she said in the least; it was your response, and what you left out, that drew his (and my) ire.
777WT From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 874 posts, RR: 1 Reply 23, posted (6 years 7 months 3 weeks 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 3839 times:
Quoting Bobnwa (Reply 21): I do not think you are qualified to comment on safety issues about any airline if you confuse Mesaba (who doesn't own any Dash-8s) any does not do any flying for DL) with Mesa. At least I think it is Mesa you are confusing them with. Suggest you do more research on the industry before making observations.
It is Mesa that is. Sorry about the error with Mesaba. Two similar names...
XFSUgimpLB41X From United States of America, joined Aug 2000, 3956 posts, RR: 36 Reply 24, posted (6 years 7 months 3 weeks 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 3467 times:
Many XJ people are biased strongly against Pinnacle... they believe we're taking their flying, we're unsafe...blah blah blah.
VERY uninformed.
Chicks dig winglets.
25 RiddlePilot215: Haha, I know a guy at my school that did ramp work at PIT this summer....I've heard horror stories about that airline...how the nickname is Pinch-A-N
26 ASFlyer: Somehow I doubt any of this. It's attitudes like yours that give pilots a bad name.[Edited 2006-10-02 03:10:40]
27 WNCrew: You can thank your beloved airlines for this. For people who spend more time with the customer than anyone else in a given airline the FA's are gener
28 We're Nuts: Read: As people who spend more time with the customer than anyone else in a given airline the FA's are generally kept in the dark.
29 XFSUgimpLB41X: PIT isn't exactly the A-Team of ramp crews...
30 Aa757first: Safety onboard her carrier's aircraft. Sure. She knows how to work all of the exits, where the fire extinguishers are and how to perform CPR (except
31 Airnewzealand: Believe it or not, but we are privy to other airlines incidents etc etc... Downunder here, we study Emergency procedures for 4 weeks. Within that time
32 RiddlePilot215: As that may be the case, however you just don't make up maint. problems as a ramp guy on other airplanes.
33 IAirAllie: Nor are pilots, rampers, agents or any other airline employee short of the executives and even then their info can be suspect/inaccurate/or outright
34 Cessna057: Yeah I totaly agree, but aside from sitting next to pilots in the cabin you mainly do not speak to them, unless you know one personaly. An FA, howeve
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