Mariner From New Zealand, joined Nov 2001, 23909 posts, RR: 86 Reply 1, posted (7 years 2 months 1 week 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 5817 times:
And I didn't think there was any good reason to check the DOT website today.
Thnaks for that, MAH, but I am a bit confused. The application says there are two authorities available for SJC-SJD. Does that mean after - and if - Frontier is approved? Otherwise, who has the first authority?
Or is SFO included with SJC for Mexican bilateral purposes?
DeltaDAWG From United States of America, joined May 2006, 716 posts, RR: 1 Reply 5, posted (7 years 2 months 1 week 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 5524 times:
Good news it seems for F9 but will they ever start any new point-to-point routes outside of Mexico? It seems like they are building up steam in some key cities like SFO, MCI & LAX and the next logical move would be to start some point-to-point routes especially when the seasonal business tails down on the mexico routes.
Is F9 going to go it alone forever or will they ever partner up with the likes of FL or AS?
Juventus From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 2835 posts, RR: 2 Reply 6, posted (7 years 2 months 1 week 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 5443 times:
Quoting AirplaneBoy (Reply 4): If approved, SJD will become F9's second largest p2p Mexican destination, after CUN. F9's Mexico service will stand with the following city pairs pending approval of this proposed service:
Which would explain the Hodas comment in the article:
"Certainly there's an opportunity there," though not necessarily from Denver, Hodas said.
But if not from DEN, then from where?
I don't think LAX-MEX is available, and although MCI is begging for MEX service (in every Frontier application that involves MCI and Mexico), I don't think that would work any more than a couple of times a week, at most.
DesertAir From Mexico, joined Jan 2006, 1424 posts, RR: 0 Reply 16, posted (7 years 2 months 1 week 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 4908 times:
I find it interesting that Frontier initiates service on routes in which they have very little feed. Alaska runs their Mexico flights from cities that have a lot of connecting possibility. The key for Frontier will be to market their service well. The Sacramento area should be able to sustain this type of service with some seasonal adjustments perhaps.
AS739X From United States of America, joined Apr 2003, 5929 posts, RR: 22 Reply 20, posted (7 years 2 months 1 week 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 4866 times:
FATFlyer: You could be right. All I know is that we have pulled out of the market to concentrate on SFO-Mexico. SJC-SJD flights never did well and many people from the SJC area still traveled up to SFO. Maybe AS has filed just to hold on to the authority and would be able to do so and long as a second carrier (other then F9) decided to start this route. The, if I understand correctly, we would have to restart the flight to hang on to the route authority. Good luck F9, my position is if AS, a known carrier in the region can't make it work, F9 will have some trouble.
"Some pilots avoid storm cells and some play connect the dots!"
Kohflot From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 21, posted (7 years 2 months 1 week 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 4826 times:
Quoting Mariner (Reply 18): I think we are watching either the implentation of a Mexico strategy by Frontier - or a California strategy.
Or maybe we're watching F9 go on the offensive towards a slightly bigger airline in its neighborhood. Can't take on United.. can't take on Southwest.. can't take on America West/US Airways.. so how bout picking a fight with Alaska? One of two things will happen - either F9 will be successful and establish itself up and down the west coast, or they'll be a nuisance and effectively force AS to buy them. In the grand scheme of things, neither would be a particularly horrible outcome for the F9 folks.
Perhaps this also explains the interesting changing dynamic between the respective holding companies.
Mariner From New Zealand, joined Nov 2001, 23909 posts, RR: 86 Reply 22, posted (7 years 2 months 1 week 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 4814 times:
Quoting Kohflot (Reply 21): Or maybe we're watching F9 go on the offensive towards a slightly bigger airline in its neighborhood.
I guess that may be what I meant by a "California strategy". Although I don't think Frontier was looking for a fight, any more than Southwest was looking for a fight when they entered DEN. Mike Boyd thinks otherwise, of course.
But it might - stress "might" - explain why Horizon did not bid on the RFP for the new Jet Express contract?