KELPkid From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 5932 posts, RR: 4 Posted (6 years 7 months 3 weeks 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 7776 times:
Just wondering if anyone has the inside scoop on why AA dumped their F100 fleet ~3 years ago. I was suprised that they were able to hang on to their F100's as long as they were after Fokker ceased to exist as a manufacturer.
I miss boarding from jetways that are kneeled down as low as they will go and looking out from the oval-shaped window flying from ELP to DFW.
I also find it interesting that AA flew the jet using mainline crews. Creates an interesting speculation point: if AA were to bring E190's into the fleet, would mainline crews be flying it?
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American 767 From United States of America, joined May 1999, 3321 posts, RR: 14 Reply 3, posted (6 years 7 months 3 weeks 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 7678 times:
The last F100 aircraft was retired just two years ago, the final flight arrived in ORD. The reason those were retired was not only because the manufacturer had gone out of business, spare parts can still be available from another company (I don't know what it is but there are spare parts surely), the other reason was American still being at the time not profitable to reduce the number of fleet types as much as it was possible to do so. From 2001 to 2005, American reduced the number of fleet types from, I don't know how many I think 14, to as little as 6. Gone also are the B727's, ex-TWA B717's and the older DC-9's, ex-Reno MD-87 and MD-90's, DC-10 and MD-11 aircraft.
I think that if an aircraft has at least 100 seats, it is considered as a mainline aircraft. Not sure if the E190 would be considered as a mainline aircraft but even if American were to order it and make it part of the Eagle fleet, American would use it partially on former F100 routes and the remaining former F100 routes would be flown with MD-80 equipment, all that of course depends of the economy and the yields. For example, if a route flown with MD-80 aircraft isn't too profitable, it will be taken over by the regional subsidiary American Eagle. I think PIT and ALB are airports that no longer see AA mainline equipment, and there must be other airports in AA's whole system that no longer see AA mainline jets.
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has said, and therefore, they were retired for fleet simplicity. I've worked with this A/C for AA in the past and it honestly was always breaking down. I wish they would find another solution for and retire the A300 as well, as this A/C has also plagued the airline with high MX costs.
Don't worry about things you can't change or control
Scaledesigns From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 211 posts, RR: 0 Reply 12, posted (6 years 7 months 3 weeks 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 7611 times:
I heard the F100s needed to have several upgrades to the landing
gear?Since the new parts had to be manufactured by an outside source
other than Fokker it proved to costly for most operators.Does anybody know
Vfw614 From Germany, joined Dec 2001, 3593 posts, RR: 5 Reply 16, posted (6 years 7 months 3 weeks 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 7492 times:
Thanks to US Airways and American retiring the Fokker 100s, they have enjoyed some sort of renaissance over here in Europe. They nowadays fly with airlines such as dba, Air Berlin, HLX, Helvetic, Spanair, Girjet, Austrian Arrows etc. and some of those have sizeable fleets. Most ex US/AA aircraft bought dirt cheap, refurbished and put into good use.
Commavia From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 10192 posts, RR: 62 Reply 21, posted (6 years 7 months 3 weeks 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 7397 times:
AA's F100 fleet (74-strong at time of retirement) was dispersed all over the world. A substantial number were sold to now-defunct Canadian LCC JetsGo, and another large chunk were sent to South America with Synergy Group (Avianca, Ocean Air, etc.). A few others ended up in Europe with Helvetic Airways, etc.
Quoting KELPkid (Thread starter): Just wondering if anyone has the inside scoop on why AA dumped their F100 fleet ~3 years ago. I was suprised that they were able to hang on to their F100's as long as they were after Fokker ceased to exist as a manufacturer.
The planes had major maintenance issues and were very expensive to maintain so intensively. In addition, because the OEM (Fokker) went belly-up in the late 90s, AA was forced to manufacturing many of the planes parts in order to keep it flying, which was exceedingly costly.
VV701 From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2005, 6624 posts, RR: 17 Reply 23, posted (6 years 7 months 3 weeks 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 7280 times:
The thread title is somewhat at odds with KELPkid's post. I have no idea why AA chose to get rid of their f-100 fleet. However I can help provide some of the answer to the question in the title:
N1400H became C-FKZC of Jetgo and then YR-FKA of Carpatair
N1401G became C-GKZB of Jetgo and was then bought by RSM Richter and was stored at YQB
N1402K, N1403M, N1404D and N1405J were stored at Mojave CA
N1406A is now OE-LVJ of Tyrolean Airways operated in Austrian Arrows colours
N1407D became C-GKZH of Jetgo
N1408B and N1409B became PH-ZFN and PH-ZFO of Fokker Services BV
N1410E became C-GKZL of Jetsgo and then OE-IID of International Jet Management
N1411G went to Jetsgo as C-GKZK and was then stored at Dinard, France
N1412A went to Oceanair as PR-OAD
N1413A and N1414D were leased by Wayra and registered OB-1821-P and OB-1816-P
N1415K was stored at Mojave CA
N1416A became C-GKZD and F-WQVS of Jetsgo and was then went to Modovian Airlines as ER-FZA
N1417D became C-GKZJ of Jetsgo and then went to Fokker Services BV as PH-ZFP
N1418A became C-GKZV of Jetsgo, PH-ZFQ of Fokker Services BV and OE-LVK of Tyrolean
N1419D was damaged beyond repair in a landing accident at DFW in 2001
N1420D became C-GKZA of Jetsgo and then OE-IIB of International Jet Management
N1421K became PH-ZFR of Fokker Services BV and then OE-LVL of Tyrolean Airways
N1422J went to Fokker Services BV
N1423A became C-GKZP of Jetsgo and is now OE-IIC with International Jet Management
N1424M went to Trade Air as 9A-BTD
N1425A became C-GKZM of Jetsgo and was then went to Werner Air Services
N1426A went to PF One Ltd
N1427A and N1428d went to Oceanair as PR-OAG and PR-OAH
N1429G went to Wayra as OB-1831-P
N1430D went to Oceanair as PR-OAF
N1431B went to Trade Air as 9A-BTE
N1432A and N1433B went to Oceanair as PR-OAI and PR-OAJ
N1434A went to PF One Ltd
N1425D and N1426a went to Oceanair as PR-OAK and PR-OAE
N1437B went to by PF One Ltd
N1438H became C-GKZG of Jetsgo and then JU-8428 of Aero Mogolia
N1439A became C-GKZX of Jetsgo and was stored Quebec
N1440A and N1441A went to Oceanair as PR-OALK and PR-OAM
N1442E became C-GKZW of Jetsgo and was stored Quebec
N1443A became PH-ZFF of Fokker Services BV and is now operated by Tyrolean Airways as OE-LVC
N1444N and N1445B were stored at Mojave CA
N1446A went to PF One Ltd
N1447L became PH-ZFL of Fokker Services BV and is now operated by Tyrolean as OE-LVH
N1448A became HK-4419X with Avianca
N1449D went to PF One Ltd
N1450A became HB-JVE of Helvetic
N1451N became HB-JVA of Helvetic and then OM-AAC of Slovak Airlines
N1452B went to PF One Ltd
N1453D went to Avianca
N1454D became HB-JVF of Helvetic
N1455K went to Fokker Aircraft N1455K Trust and was stored in the Netherlands
N1456D became PH-ZFL of Fokker Services BV and is now operated by Tyrolean as OE-LVI
N1457B is now owned by PF One Ltd
N1458H became HB-JVG of Helvetic
N1459A went to Fokker Aircraft N1459A Trust and was stored in the Netherlands
N1460A is stored at Mojave CA
N1461C is owned by PF One Ltd
N1462C became HK-4420X of Avianca
N1463A became PH-ZFI of Fokker Services BV and is now operated by Tyrolean as OE-LVF
N1464A became PH-ZFB of Fokker Services BV and is now operated by Tyrolean as OE-LVA
N1465K became HB-JVB of Helvetic and then EC-JRV of GirJet
N1466A became HB-JVD of Helvetic and then EC-JOM of Gestion Area Finance for lease to Spanair
N1467A became PH-ZFH of Fokker Services BV and then OE-LVE of Tyrolean
N1468A became HB-JVC of Helvetic
N1469D became PH-ZFE of Fokker Services BV and then OE-LVB of Tyrolean
N1470K went to Avianca
N1471G was stored Mojave CA
N1472B went to Avianca
N1473K went to Fokker Services BV as PH-ZFG and then Tyrolean as OF-LVD
N1474D went to Fokker Services BV as PH-ZFJ, then to Tyrolean as OE-LVG and was leased by Slovak Airlines before being returned to Tyrolean
(I believe all the above aircraft registered to Tyrolean Airways are operated in Austrian Arrows livery.)
Scaledesigns From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 211 posts, RR: 0 Reply 24, posted (6 years 7 months 3 weeks 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 7183 times:
Its really simple why AA got rid of the F100s.As already pointed out ,they
were getting very expensive to maintain.They needed major landing gear and
engine mods..Since Fokker gave up after Benz took them over parts are
no longer available from the manufacturer.Plus AA wanted to simplify the fleet .I dont think many F100s will still be flying in 10 years.
25 Willyj: HPN (westchester county) used to see 4/5 F100s a day. I believe the last F100 flight was from HPN to ORD. After they were retired a few 738s with a m
26 Commavia: If I remember correctly, AA badly wanted to put MD80s into HPN from ORD, but the local NIMBYs there balked because it would be too loud. Idiots.