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Singapore Airlines Statement On A380 Delays  
User currently offlineSingapore_Air From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2000, 13745 posts, RR: 19
Posted (8 years 2 months 2 weeks 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 13534 times:



04 October 2006

FURTHER DELAYS TO THE A380 PROGRAMME


Airbus has confirmed a further delay to the deliveries of the 19 A380 aircraft ordered by Singapore Airlines.

The first A380 will now be scheduled for delivery in the fourth quarter of 2007, and deliveries of subsequent aircraft will occur in 2008 and beyond.

The delays are disappointing; all the more so because the flight test and certification programme is proceeding well, and the delays are down to production issues.

Singapore Airlines is assessing the impact that the delays, just notified, will have on forward capacity growth, and assessing options to mitigate the situation

However, new capacity will be injected to the Singapore Airlines fleet, with the first of 19 Boeing 777-300ER aircraft being delivered in November 2006. Six of these aircraft will be delivered before the end of 2006, and ten will be in service by mid-2007.

Pursuant to the Agreement between Airbus and Singapore Airlines, compensation will be provided. Terms of the contract remain confidential between the parties.

Singapore Airlines will remain the First to Fly the new super-jumbo, and, as was the case under the former delivery schedule, will receive the first four aircraft.

[Edited 2006-10-04 07:23:34]


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User currently offlineBrendows From Norway, joined Apr 2006, 1020 posts, RR: 4
Reply 1, posted (8 years 2 months 2 weeks 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 13532 times:

Quoting Singapore_Air (Thread starter):
However, new capacity will be injected to the Singapore Airlines fleet, with the first of 19 Boeing 777-300ER aircraft being delivered in November 2006. Six of these aircraft will be delivered before the end of 2006, and ten will be in service by mid-2007.

This is interesting, since it means that SQ will have to put their new interior (seats) meant for the A380 into service almost one year ahead of EIS for the A380. Or will they change the interior on already finished, and almost finished, aircraft into the old interior? Does anyone know more about this?


User currently offlineAPFPilot1985 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (8 years 2 months 2 weeks 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 13484 times:

couldnt you have posted this in any of the myriad of threads on this topic?

User currently offlineUALMMFlyer From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 135 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (8 years 2 months 2 weeks 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 13516 times:

If SQ is getting the first four, one in 2007 and 3 more in 2008, then is it possible that Emirate and Qantas won't have them in service until 2009? They may get deliveries in 2008, but after configuration and getting all the required procedures done to get the planes ready....that's a longer delay than the ten months we are talking about.


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User currently offlineManni From South Korea, joined Nov 2001, 4221 posts, RR: 22
Reply 4, posted (8 years 2 months 2 weeks 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 13406 times:

Quoting Singapore_Air (Thread starter):
Airbus has confirmed a further delay to the deliveries of the 19 A380 aircraft ordered by Singapore Airlines.


Interesting choice of words. SIA has 10 on order, 9 commitments and 6 options. Looks like SIA has no intention to drop the commitment, made in July, to order 9 more A380s.



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User currently offlineLordHowe From Finland, joined Jan 2003, 728 posts, RR: 1
Reply 5, posted (8 years 2 months 2 weeks 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 13255 times:

Quoting Manni (Reply 4):
Looks like SIA has no intention to drop the commitment, made in July, to order 9 more A380s

Why would they?

The delay is, of course, a very bad thing. All the campaigning with "First to Fly" and all of us enthusiasts eagerly waiting for the giant to start regular traffic.

But I really wonder, how many of these airliners who have placed these more than one hundred orders for this aircraft, really only ordered it to be able to fly it in 2006 or 2007 or 2008? I wonder, if they didn't place their order because they really needed and thus wanted to buy this kind of large aircrafts, because they believe that their customers value this kind of aircraft and that this kind of aircraft is the best solution for their growing traffic.

It is sad that Airbus couldn't keep their delivery schedule, but all schedules always are subject to change. I wish all the best to the Airbus team that has worked hard to get this huge airplane to the skies! At least to me it seems that SQ seems to survive this one more delay.

Very best regards,
LordHowe

PS. I am neither A- nor B-person - I really like them both as much!

[Edited 2006-10-04 08:38:05]


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User currently offlineJoni From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (8 years 2 months 2 weeks 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 12891 times:

Quoting Manni (Reply 4):

Interesting choice of words. SIA has 10 on order, 9 commitments and 6 options. Looks like SIA has no intention to drop the commitment, made in July, to order 9 more A380s.

Here's a BBC article that makes a good point, namely that with the compensation Airbus is going to give airlines, the A380s they have on order will be excellent value and thus they'd be crazy to cancel the orders:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/business/5405076.stm


User currently offlineBoeing767-300 From Australia, joined Sep 2001, 664 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (8 years 2 months 2 weeks 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 12753 times:

Quoting Manni (Reply 4):
Interesting choice of words. SIA has 10 on order, 9 commitments and 6 options. Looks like SIA has no intention to drop the commitment, made in July, to order 9 more A380s.

At the price SQ got their launch orders for they would be mad to cancel. I wonder if the options price were the same as the original order less a bit for compo.......

Quoting Joni (Reply 6):
Here's a BBC article that makes a good point, namely that with the compensation Airbus is going to give airlines, the A380s they have on order will be excellent value and thus they'd be crazy to cancel the orders:

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User currently offlineManni From South Korea, joined Nov 2001, 4221 posts, RR: 22
Reply 8, posted (8 years 2 months 2 weeks 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 12634 times:

Quoting Boeing767-300 (Reply 7):
At the price SQ got their launch orders for they would be mad to cancel. I wonder if the options price were the same as the original order less a bit for compo.......

Do tell us, and let all the speculation concerning SIA's A380s stop here.



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User currently offlineOsiris30 From Barbados, joined Sep 2006, 3192 posts, RR: 25
Reply 9, posted (8 years 2 months 2 weeks 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 12508 times:

Quoting Boeing767-300 (Reply 7):
At the price SQ got their launch orders for they would be mad to cancel. I wonder if the options price were the same as the original order less a bit for compo.......

Likely the options were at a slightly higher price initially as they weren't firm at the time, so the discounts were slightly less heavy.



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User currently offlineJfk777 From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 8494 posts, RR: 6
Reply 10, posted (8 years 2 months 2 weeks 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 11784 times:
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ITs sad we wll have to wait another year to see the new First & Raffles Class for the A380. May be SQ will launch their new upgrades with the 773ER coming this fall but I would count in it. Isn't the 773ER grand enough for SQ ? I would certainly think so but their nothing like a flying whale to attract attention. The 773ER is like a Saville Row suit, conservative, dependable and unoticed. The A380 is like a beauty pageant winner, attracts all kinds of attention, flying papparazzi.

User currently offlineN328KF From United States of America, joined May 2004, 6491 posts, RR: 3
Reply 11, posted (8 years 2 months 2 weeks 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 11784 times:

Quoting Brendows (Reply 1):
This is interesting, since it means that SQ will have to put their new interior (seats) meant for the A380 into service almost one year ahead of EIS for the A380. Or will they change the interior on already finished, and almost finished, aircraft into the old interior? Does anyone know more about this?

I think they'd be silly to put old interiors in place. Plus the first 777-300ER for SQ is being finished up as we speak, so it's too late in that case. SQ says they will receive four during CY2006, so three more are already pretty close to being done--or at least the parts are too far along in the pipeline to change things around.

Now, bear in mind that SQ's current 777-300ER delivery schedule was dictated by the first set of A380 delays. I am guessing that SQ would have done things differently if they had known how late the A380 would be—meaning, they would have taken the first 777 delivery slots they could.



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User currently offlineShenzhen From United States of America, joined Jun 2003, 1712 posts, RR: 2
Reply 12, posted (8 years 2 months 2 weeks 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 11785 times:

Quoting Manni (Reply 8):
Do tell us, and let all the speculation concerning SIA's A380s stop here.

Sounds as if they will get them at a cheaper price then what it cost Airbus to deliver. That to me, sounds like a pretty good deal.

Cheers


User currently offlineBlrsea From India, joined May 2005, 1426 posts, RR: 3
Reply 13, posted (8 years 2 months 2 weeks 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 11411 times:

Is SQ receiveing 6 773-ER in two months ( nov-dec 06) and 10 in next 6 months? That is a pretty huge jump in capacity in very short period of 8 months!!

User currently offlineBrendows From Norway, joined Apr 2006, 1020 posts, RR: 4
Reply 14, posted (8 years 2 months 2 weeks 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 10938 times:

Quoting N328KF (Reply 11):
I think they'd be silly to put old interiors in place

Yes, I agree. The interesting thing, and probably very worrying for SQ, is that the new interior that was supposed to be made public on EIS for the A380, will now be made official about one year before the first A380 starts flying for SQ. And as we all know, the airlines have kept the interior design for the A380 as a highly guarded secret, but SQ can't keep it a secret that much longer...

Quoting N328KF (Reply 11):
Plus the first 777-300ER for SQ is being finished up as we speak, so it's too late in that case.

Two 77Ws are on the flight line at Paine Field, I believe both are supposed to be delivered in November.


User currently offlineStitch From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 31387 posts, RR: 85
Reply 15, posted (8 years 2 months 2 weeks 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 10826 times:
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Quoting Singapore_Air (Thread starter):
Singapore Airlines will remain the First to Fly the new super-jumbo, and, as was the case under the former delivery schedule, will receive the first four aircraft.

If SQ gets the first four, and the next set are said to go to SQ, QF, and EK, what of EY?

Flight International's chart noted that MSN002, MSN004, and MSN007 were supposed to go to EY. Are those frames now tasked to SQ, QF, and/or EK? And if so, did EY volunteer those frames?


User currently offlineN328KF From United States of America, joined May 2004, 6491 posts, RR: 3
Reply 16, posted (8 years 2 months 2 weeks 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 10775 times:

Quoting Stitch (Reply 15):
Flight International's chart noted that MSN002, MSN004, and MSN007 were supposed to go to EY. Are those frames now tasked to SQ, QF, and/or EK? And if so, did EY volunteer those frames?

I believe the sequence remains the same. And frankly, if I were a CEO of an A380 customer, I would do everything in my power to not get one of the first few airframes.



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User currently offlineBrendows From Norway, joined Apr 2006, 1020 posts, RR: 4
Reply 17, posted (8 years 2 months 2 weeks 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 10730 times:

Quoting Stitch (Reply 15):
If SQ gets the first four, and the next set are said to go to SQ, QF, and EK, what of EY?

Flight International's chart noted that MSN002, MSN004, and MSN007 were supposed to go to EY. Are those frames now tasked to SQ, QF, and/or EK? And if so, did EY volunteer those frames?

No, they are still going to EY. Even if they have a low MSN number doesn't mean that they will be delivered earlier than the rest. These frames will have to be completely refurbished before they can be handed over to EY, and I would guess that EY will receive its first A380 in late 2009 or 2010.

Remember, each frame is to a certain degree customized for the specific airline, you can't change such a thing over night.


User currently offlineLehpron From United States of America, joined Jul 2001, 7028 posts, RR: 21
Reply 18, posted (8 years 2 months 2 weeks 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 10572 times:

Quoting APFPilot1985 (Reply 2):
couldnt you have posted this in any of the myriad of threads on this topic?

Like I said, first in line of the 'I told you so' crowd.



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User currently offlineTPAPDX From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 87 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (8 years 2 months 2 weeks 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 10438 times:

In my opinion, I don't think we'll see a great number, or any, cancellations of customer orders for the 380 - as each airlines contract contains compensation schedules based on degrees of delay.

I'm sure Airbus is offering every incentive it can, although expensive, to keep the customer orders intact. It all comes down to the bottom line, and what it will it take to keep the customer happy, or at least, not-unhappy. The billions estimated the delay will cost Airbus, presumably, includes compensation & incentive packages.

Singapore, like other customers, are being well looked after - financially - as they want to maintain a positive relationship with all their customers.


User currently offlineBoeingfever777 From United States of America, joined Jul 2009, 409 posts, RR: 53
Reply 20, posted (8 years 2 months 2 weeks 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 10330 times:

Quoting Singapore_Air (Thread starter):
Singapore Airlines will remain the First to Fly the new super-jumbo, and, as was the case under the former delivery schedule, will receive the first four aircraft.

Does this mean that QF, EK, and EY will not get an A380 til 08 0r 09?



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User currently offlineClassicLover From Ireland, joined Mar 2004, 4659 posts, RR: 23
Reply 21, posted (8 years 2 months 2 weeks 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 10285 times:

Quoting Boeingfever777 (Reply 20):
Does this mean that QF, EK, and EY will not get an A380 til 08 0r 09?

SQ in 2007 (one aircraft), then the next one is in 2008. QF get their first in August 2008. EK is around that time too.



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User currently offlineFlysherwood From United States of America, joined Jul 2006, 1115 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (8 years 2 months 2 weeks 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 10211 times:

Quoting Jfk777 (Reply 10):
ITs sad we wll have to wait another year to see the new First & Raffles Class for the A380. May be SQ will launch their new upgrades with the 773ER coming this fall but I would count in it. Isn't the 773ER grand enough for SQ ? I would certainly think so but their nothing like a flying whale to attract attention. The 773ER is like a Saville Row suit, conservative, dependable and unoticed. The A380 is like a beauty pageant winner, attracts all kinds of attention, flying papparazzi.

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User currently offlineAirMailer From United States of America, joined May 2006, 480 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (8 years 2 months 2 weeks 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 9625 times:

Quoting Joni (Reply 6):
Here's a BBC article that makes a good point, namely that with the compensation Airbus is going to give airlines, the A380s they have on order will be excellent value and thus they'd be crazy to cancel the orders:

I know, it's almost like the airlines that have ordered the A380 have an unfair advantage, not because it's such a good aircraft, but because they are going to get it for so cheap.


... but then again maybe by the time that all of those airlines finally get all of their A380s the 787-10 will come out and run rings around the economics of the A380.

Who knows.


User currently offlineN328KF From United States of America, joined May 2004, 6491 posts, RR: 3
Reply 24, posted (8 years 2 months 2 weeks 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 9565 times:

Quoting AirMailer (Reply 23):
I know, it's almost like the airlines that have ordered the A380 have an unfair advantage, not because it's such a good aircraft, but because they are going to get it for so cheap.

This may be a reason why EK should keep all of their A380 orders. With cheaper prices, they may be able to affordably lease out or resell A380s for less than what Airbus might be able to make them available for, or even for the same price to airlines that don't want to wait.



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25 Post contains images Indio66 : "Singapore Airlines notes that all 19 Boeing aircraft will be delivered on time and on budget . . . "
26 Thrust : Singapore's patience with Airbus may turn out to be their downfall. I am guessing there will be another delay after this, followed by another. The 747
27 Osiris30 : Anna Nicole-Smith during her heavier periods? LOL...
28 BoeingFever777 : A380 commercial launch/flight is starting to become a JOKE!!!!
29 Manni : Except concerning the the first two frame, I've yet to see any statement that suggests this.
30 Alaskaqantas : I contact Singapore to confirm some stuff and her is the reply: 5 October 2006 Dear Mr Horne Thank you for your email. Airbus has confirmed a further
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