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Pulkovo 612 CVR Transcript  
User currently offlineTu204 From Russia, joined Mar 2006, 1228 posts, RR: 17
Posted (7 years 11 months 3 weeks 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 38339 times:

I got my hands on the transcript for the ship RA-85185 of Pulkovo Airlines flight 612 that crashed near Donetsk, Ukraine on 22.08.2006.
I asked if it was ok to type it out, they said it was ok as long as it stays unaltered.
If you want the original (Russian) part of it, look to the bottom.

To be honest, I have never heard as much swearing in my life - almost in every phrase! Not even from my grandfather who, I thought, was the master of profanity swore this much!
I am confident that I translated the transcript pretty well except for the profanity - the Russian vocabularly is much richer than the english so alot of the creative and rather amusing phrases of the captain I had to translate simply to "Fuck"
I APOLOGISE IN ADVANCE FOR THE PROFANITY - I AM ONLY TRANSLATING WHAT THEY SAID! DON'T KILL THE MESSENGER
Oh, yes, you are very welcome (now I will go to sleep)


CPT - Captain
NAV - Navigator
TWR - Tower (center)
CREW - unknown (unidentified)
CO - Copilot
ST - Trainee (copilot in training)


11:33:06 CPT: Lets temporarily go to 400 or whatever, this motherfucker, this is completely fucked up. Yes, ask for 390, otherwise we won't be able to go around, fuck!
11:33:12,5 [Sound of Angle of Attack alarm (AoA)]
11:33:17 NAV: Changed
11:33:20 NAV: Tower, this is Pulkovo 612
11:33:21 TWR: Pulkovo 612, receiving you.
11:33:22 CPT: Climb, yes?
11:33:24 NAV: Pulkovo 612, temporarily requesting flight level 390.
11:33:28 CPT: Tell him that its pretty shaky.
11:33:34 TWR: Pulkovo 612, cleared for 3-9-0.
11:33:34 NAV: Climbing to 3-9-0 thank you very much, Pulkovo 6-12
11:33:37 CPT: We will still get this fucker (unintelligeble)
11:33:39 CREW: (unintelligeble)
11:33:45 CPT: Where are those (unintelligeble), motherfucker?!
11:34:24 CPT: Holy fuck! That shit is fucking crazy! (referring to the thunder storm - author, aka me)
11:34:27 CPT: Holy fuck!
11:34:32 CPT: She, oh fuck! Fucking bitch, and hail too? Fucking slut! (He referred to the storm as a "she" - author)
11:34:40 CPT: Give me (unintelligeble)
11:34:43 CPT: And where to? Maybe to the side? Igor, move a bit more.
11:34:48 CPT: Igor.
11:34:49 NAV: What?
11:34:49,5 CPT: Maybe to the side? Where else can we get away from her, the slut. (Referring to the storm cloud - author)
11:34:52 CREW: (unintelligeble). No.
11:34:54 CPT: Tell me, did we take 390, Andrew? Eh, this montherfucker (he is not referring to Andrew, just cursing to himself. - author)
11:34:56 ST: Pulkovo 612, we are at flight level 390.
11:34:58,5...
11:35:00,3 CPT: Say something? Ah fuck! (this is when the crew lost control of the aircraft)
11:35:00,2...
11:35:05 CREW: We are descending (unintelligeble)
11:35:06 CPT: Where the fuck are we descending, fucking idiots!
11:35:09 CPT: Full power, fuck!
11:35:10 EN: Full power.
11:35:12 CPT: Tell them that we are fucking descending, fuck!
11:35:13 ST: Descending, Pulkovo 612.
11:35:15,9 [Computer Alarm - AoA].
11:35:17 CPT: Carefull.
11:35:20,9 [Computer Alarm - AoA]
11:35:22 CPT: Watch the bank!.
11:35:23 CREW: At full power .
11:35:24 Signal
11:35:28 NAV: Pulkovo 612, descending to 3-6-0.
11:35:30,8 [Computer Alarm - AoA]
11:35:31 CPT: Say fucking severe terbulance.
11:35:33 NAV: Serious turbulance.
11:35:34 TWR: Pulkovo aircraft, descend 3-6-0.
11:35:36 CPT: Fucking descending!
11:35:38,9 Signal
11:35,37 CREW: (unintelligeble).
11:35:41 CPT: Carefull, we're all holding it.
11:35:44 CPT: Holding, fuck!
11:35:45 EN: Generators (unintelligeble).
11:35:48 EN: Flameout. Descending. Vanya, flameout. (Vanya is a kind form of "Ivan" - author.)
11:35:55 CPT: (unintelligeble).
11:35:58 CREW: (unintelligeble)
11:36:02 CPT: Watch the speed, speed!Ñêîðîñòè ñìîòðèòå, ñêîðîñòè.
11:36:04 CREW: Well, went down a bit.
11:36:07 CREW: No, normal.
11:36:22 CPT: How much did you say? (referring to G force - author)
11:36:23 NAV: (unintelligeble) 245. (most likely course - author)
11:36:24 CPT: What course, fucking...!
11:36:25 NAV (unintelligeble)
11:36:28 CPT: (unintelligeble)
11:36:28 CREW: I understand
11:36:29 CREW: Only circling.
11:36:31 Crew: Correct
11:36:32 CPT: Vova, c'mon, command. (Vova, the Co-pilot was Russian Champion for aerobatics. At that moment he was standing behind the trainee - author)
11:36:36 NAV: Left, Vanya
11:36:37 CPT: Thats it, Fuck.
11:36:40 CREW: Descending Descending!
11:36:55 CREW: Tell them that we have mayday.
11:36:57-11:36:59,6 ST: S0S, 612, SOS...
11:37:01 TWR: Pulkovo 612, I do not understand you.
11:37:02 CPT: Fuck, whats our speed?
11:37:03-11:37:05,2 NAV: S0S, S0S, Pulkovo 612, SOS, SOS, SOS, Pulkovo 612
11:37:06 CPT: What's our speed? What's our speed?
11:37:41,9 CREW: (unintelligeble)
11:37:45 CPT: Left, c'mon!
11:37:49,1 CREW: (unintelligeble)
11:37:50,5 CPT: Vova, c'mon help out Andrew?
11:37:55 NAV: Altitude 2000, Vanya, 2000!
11:38:01 CPT: God damnit!
11:38:03 CREW: Forget (unintelligeble)
11:38:04,1 CPT: (unintelligeble) right.
11:38:05,6 EN: (unintelligeble) falling.
11:38:06,9 NAV: Now left, left (unintelligeble).
11:38:07,9 CREW: (unintelligeble).
11:38:09 CREW: I didn't see it
11:38:09,9 CO: Oh my god...
11:38:11,6 CPT: Pull up, Pull up, Pull up, Pull up! Andrew! Eh, pull up! Pull up Andrew! (unintelligeble)
11:38:20,3 CPT: And now TO power
11:38:21,1 CREW: Left leg, get rid of the bank.
11:38:23,1 CO: (unintelligeble)... don't kill
11:38:23,7 CPT: Andrew, don't panic!
11:38:26,5 CREW: Don't kill! Don't kill! (most likely trainee Andrew Khodnevich - author)
11:38:27,5
CPT: Fucking terrain!
11:38:28,3 CREW: (unintelligeble)
11:38:30 SCREAM. [end of tape]




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ÊÂÑ - êîìàíäèð âîçäóøíîãî ñóäíà;
ØÒ - øòóðìàí;
Ä - äèñïåò÷åð;
Ý - ÷ëåíû ýêèïàæà, íà çàïèñè íå âñåãäà ÿñíî, êòî èìåííî;
2Ï - 2-é ïèëîò;
2Ï-ñò - 2-é ïèëîò-ñòàæåð;
ÁÈ - áîðòèíæåíåð.


11:33:06 ÊÂÑ: Äàâàé âðåìåííî 400 èëè êàêîé, òâîþ ìàòü, à ýòî õ...íÿ ïîëíàÿ. Äà ïðîñè 390, à òî íàì íå îáîéòè, åáò... 11:33:12,5 Ñèãíàë ÀÓÑÏ.
11:33:17 ØÒ: Ïåðåêëþ÷èë.
11:33:20 ØÒ: "Êîíòðîëü", Ïóëêîâî 612.
11:33:21 Ä: Ïóëêîâî 612-é, íà ïðèåìå.
11:33:22 ÊÂÑ: Äîáàâëÿé. Äà?
11:33:24 ØÒ: Ïóëêîâî 612, ðàçðåøèòå íàáîð âðåìåííî ýøåëîí 390.
11:33:28 ÊÂÑ: Ñèëüíàÿ áîëòàíêà è ò.ä., ñêàæè.
11:33:34 Ä: Ïóëêîâî 612, íàáèðàéòå 3-9-0.
11:33:34 ØÒ: Íàáèðàåì ýøåëîí 3-9-0. Ñïàñèáî áîëüøîå, Ïóëêîâî 6-12.
11:33:37 ÊÂÑ: Åùå õ...é íàáåðåì åãî (íåðàçáîð÷èâî)...
11:33:39 Ý: (íåðàçáîð÷èâî).
11:33:45 ÊÂÑ: Êóäà òå (íåðàçáîð÷èâî), å... òâîþ ìàòü?!
11:34:24 ÊÂÑ: Íè õ...ÿ åá...øèò, á...äü!
11:34:27 ÊÂÑ: Ìàìà íå ãîðþé, á...äü.
11:34:32 ÊÂÑ: Îíà, á...äü, åùå è ãðàä, å... òâîþ ìàòü, á...äü!
11:34:40 ÊÂÑ: Äàé ìíå (íåðàçáîð÷èâî).
11:34:43 ÊÂÑ: À êóäà èõ ìîæíî â ñòîðîíêó, Èãîðåê, îòîéäè åùå.
11:34:48 ÊÂÑ: Èãîðü.
11:34:49 ØÒ: ×òî?
11:34:49,5 ÊÂÑ: Â ñòîðîíó ìîæíî, êóäà åùå îò íåå îòîéòè, á...äü.
11:34:52 Ý: (íåðàçáîð÷èâî). Íåò.
11:34:54 ÊÂÑ: Ñêàæè, çàíÿëè 390, Àíäðþõà, å... òâîþ ìàòü.
11:34:56 2Ï-ñò: Ïóëêîâî 612, çàíÿëè ýøåëîí 390.
11:34:58,5...
11:35:00,3 ÊÂÑ: Ãîâîðèòå ÷òî-íèáóäü, äà åáò!
11:35:00,2...
11:35:05 Ý: Ñíèæàåìñÿ ... (íåðàçáîð÷èâî).
11:35:06 ÊÂÑ: (Êóäà) ñíèæàåìñÿ, å...íûå äóðàêè, á...äü!
11:35:09 ÊÂÑ: Ñòàâü íîìèíàë, íàõ...é!
11:35:10 ÁÈ: Íîìèíàë.
11:35:12 ÊÂÑ: Ñêàæè èì, ñíèæàåìñÿ, åáò.
11:35:13 2Ï-ñò: Ñíèæàåìñÿ, Ïóëêîâî 612.
11:35:15,9 Ñèãíàë ÀÓÀÑÏ.
11:35:17 ÊÂÑ: Ñïîêîéíî.
11:35:20,9 Ñèãíàë ÀÓÀÑÏ.
11:35:22 ÊÂÑ: Çà êðåíàìè ñìîòðèòå.
11:35:23 Ý: Íîìèíàë.
11:35:24 Çâóêîâîé ñèãíàë.
11:35:28 ØÒ: Ïóëêîâî 612, ñíèæàåìñÿ ýøåëîí 3-6-0.
11:35:30,8 Ñèãíàë ÀÓÀÑÏ.
11:35:31 ÊÂÑ: Ñèëüíàÿ áîëòàíêà, ñêàæè, åáò.
11:35:33 ØÒ: Ñèëüíàÿ áîëòàíêà.
11:35:34 Ä: Ïóëêîâñêèé (íåðàçáîð÷èâî), ñíèæàéòåñü 3-6-0.
11:35:36 ÊÂÑ: Ñíèæàåìñÿ, åáò.
11:35:38,9 Çâóêîâîé ñèãíàë.
11:35,37 Ý: (íåðàçáîð÷èâî).
11:35:41 ÊÂÑ: Ñïîêîéíî âñå äåðæèì.
11:35:44 ÊÂÑ: Äåðæèì, á...äü.
11:35:45 ÁÈ: Ãåíåðàòîðû (âûëåòàþò).
11:35:48 ÁÈ: Ïîìïàæ. Ñíèæàåìñÿ. Âàíÿ, ïîìïàæ.
11:35:55 ÊÂÑ: (íåðàçáîð÷èâî).
11:35:58 Ý: (íåðàçáîð÷èâî).
11:36:02 ÊÂÑ: Ñêîðîñòè ñìîòðèòå, ñêîðîñòè.
11:36:04 Ý: Íó, óïàëà ÷óòîê.
11:36:07 Ý: Íåò, íîðìàëüíî.
11:36:22 ÊÂÑ: Ñêîëüêî, ãîâîðèøü?
11:36:23 ØÒ: (íåðàçáîð÷èâî) 245. (Ñêîðåå âñåãî ýòî - êóðñ. - Àâò.)
11:36:24 ÊÂÑ: Êàêîé êóðñ, å... òâîþ?!
11:36:25 ØÒ: (íåðàçáîð÷èâî).
11:36:28 ÊÂÑ: (íåðàçáîð÷èâî).
11:36:28 Ý: ß ïîíèìàþ.
11:36:29 Ý: Òîëüêî êóðàæèìñÿ.
11:36:31 Ý: Ïðàâèëüíî.
11:36:32 ÊÂÑ: Âîâà, äàâàé êîìàíäóé.
11:36:36 ØÒ: Âëåâî, Âàíÿ.
11:36:37 ÊÂÑ: Âñå, á...äü.
11:36:40 Ý: Ñíèæàåìñÿ. Ñíèæàåìñÿ.
11:36:55 Ý: Äîëîæèòå, ÷òî ó íàñ S0S.
11:36:57-11:36:59,6 2Ï-ñò: S0S, 612-é, SOS...
11:37:01 Ä: Ïóëêîâñêèé 612, ÿ âàñ íå ïîíÿë.
11:37:02 ÊÂÑ: Á...äü, ñêîðîñòü êàêàÿ?
11:37:03-11:37:05,2 ØÒ: S0S, S0S, Ïóëê...12, SOS, SOS, SOS, Ïóëê...
11:37:06 ÊÂÑ: Ñêîðîñòü êàêàÿ? Ñêîðîñòü êàêàÿ?
11:37:41,9 Ý: (íåðàçáîð÷èâî), 11:37:45 ÊÂÑ: Ëåâîé äàâàé!
11:37:49,1 Ý: (íåðàçáîð÷èâî).
11:37:50,5 ÊÂÑ: Âîâà, äàâàé òàì ïîìîãàé Àíäðþõå.
11:37:55 ØÒ: Âûñîòà 2000, Âàíü, 2000!
11:38:01 ÊÂÑ: Å-ìîå!
11:38:03 Ý: Áðîñü...(íåðàçáîð÷èâî),
11:38:04,1 ÊÂÑ: (íåðàçáîð÷èâî) âïðàâî.
11:38:05,6 ÁÈ: (íåðàçáîð÷èâî) ïàäàåì.
11:38:06,9 ØÒ: Ñåé÷àñ âëåâî, âëåâî (íåðàçáîð÷èâî).
11:38:07,9 Ý: (íåðàçáîð÷èâî).
11:38:09 Ý: ß íå âèäåë.
11:38:09,9 2Ï: Áîæå ìîé...
11:38:11,6 ÊÂÑ: Íà ñåáÿ, íà ñåáÿ, íà ñåáÿ, íà ñåáÿ! Àíäðþõà, òÿíè íà ñåáÿ! Íà ñåáÿ, Àíäðþõà... (íåðàçáîð÷èâî).
11:38:20,3 ÊÂÑ: Òåïåðü âçëåòíûé.
11:38:21,1 Ý: Ëåâàÿ íîãà, êðåí óáåðè.
11:38:23,1 2Ï: (íåðàçáîð÷èâî)... (Íå óáèâàéòå.)
11:38:23,7 ÊÂÑ: Àíäðþõà, íå ïàíèêóé!
11:38:26,5 Ý: Íå óáèâàéòå! Íå óáèâàéòå!
11:38:27,5 ÊÂÑ: (Çåìëÿ)...
11:38:28,3 Ý: (íåðàçáîð÷èâî).
11:38:30 ÊÐÈÊ.
Êîíåö çàïèñè...


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User currently offlineEDDB From Germany, joined Aug 2006, 244 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (7 years 11 months 3 weeks 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 38321 times:

Holy .....

From 390 to impact in 3,5min... That's fu...ing scary!

But one has to wonder why you enter a thunderstorm cell at day, equipped with radar...

Anyway, thanks for all your work! Every accident teaches a lesson...


User currently offlineTu204 From Russia, joined Mar 2006, 1228 posts, RR: 17
Reply 2, posted (7 years 11 months 3 weeks 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 38160 times:

Quoting EDDB (Reply 1):
That's fu...ing scary

Oh god, don't you start on that too!  Wink
Taking lessons from that captain are we?



I do not dream about movie stars, they must dream about me for I am real and they are not. - Alexander Popov
User currently offlineEDDB From Germany, joined Aug 2006, 244 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (7 years 11 months 3 weeks 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 38020 times:

Sometimes I watch the CBs and TSs rather fascinated than with the given respect, untill the captain says "Aaaah, don't you think we should divert a little to the left/right?"

 Wink


User currently offlineBOAC911 From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 453 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (7 years 11 months 3 weeks 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 37931 times:
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Do we already have any more concrete information in addition to this transcript? Initial media reports speculated about a fire on board the aircraft?

User currently offlineTu204 From Russia, joined Mar 2006, 1228 posts, RR: 17
Reply 5, posted (7 years 11 months 3 weeks 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 37859 times:

Quoting BOAC911 (Reply 4):
Do we already have any more concrete information in addition to this transcript? Initial media reports speculated about a fire on board the aircraft?

No and No. I can't give any more info but I can say that there was no fire.



I do not dream about movie stars, they must dream about me for I am real and they are not. - Alexander Popov
User currently offlineLevg79 From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 994 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (7 years 11 months 3 weeks 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 37830 times:

By the amount of cursing (and I read the Russian version of transcript) I can only say that the situation onboard must have been very tense.

I figured that they asked to climb to FL390 due to the weather but why did they suddenly start descending? I can't figure that out.

Anyway, very dramatic. Thank you for posting.

Leo.



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User currently offlineCURLYHEADBOY From Italy, joined Feb 2005, 940 posts, RR: 2
Reply 7, posted (7 years 11 months 3 weeks 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 37792 times:

Quoting Levg79 (Reply 6):
I figured that they asked to climb to FL390 due to the weather but why did they suddenly start descending? I can't figure that out.

Looks like they climbed over the maximum operating altitude, stalled, went into a spin and crashed, this is just my impression though.



If God had wanted men to fly he would have given them more money...
User currently offlineCO7e7 From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 2849 posts, RR: 2
Reply 8, posted (7 years 11 months 3 weeks 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 37635 times:

Tu204, thanks for the translation!

This is def. scary

Wasn't there fire on board? At least that's what i read on airdisaster.com.
Why isn't there any reference to the fire?

RIP

[Edited 2006-10-05 00:23:52]

User currently offlineTu204 From Russia, joined Mar 2006, 1228 posts, RR: 17
Reply 9, posted (7 years 11 months 3 weeks 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 37594 times:

Quoting CURLYHEADBOY (Reply 7):
Looks like they climbed over the maximum operating altitude, stalled, went into a spin and crashed, this is just my impression though.

You are right. By "descending" he actually meant "out-of-control-flat-spin".
You can see this by looking at the statement of the commander:
11:35:06 CPT: Where the fuck are we descending, fucking idiots!
This is when the plane just went into a spin.

Quoting Levg79 (Reply 6):
By the amount of cursing (and I read the Russian version of transcript) I can only say that the situation onboard must have been very tense.

I think the captain is just one of those guys that curses every other word.
I know a person like this, they are funny but only for a short time. I a swimming coach who was like that. Cause he was cursing before anything really happened.



I do not dream about movie stars, they must dream about me for I am real and they are not. - Alexander Popov
User currently offlineCURLYHEADBOY From Italy, joined Feb 2005, 940 posts, RR: 2
Reply 10, posted (7 years 11 months 3 weeks 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 37279 times:

Quoting Tu204 (Reply 9):
You are right. By "descending" he actually meant "out-of-control-flat-spin".
You can see this by looking at the statement of the commander:
11:35:06 CPT: Where the fuck are we descending, fucking idiots!
This is when the plane just went into a spin.

Indeed, that's the first thing I thought about when I first red of the accident... they climbed too much for getting clear of the weather... now, I don't know what's the max. operating ceiling for the type, but I'd guess that, if the aircraft was flying close to that altitude, in stormy weather, maybe a little overloaded, the flight envelope should have been quite critical...

Quoting Tu204 (Reply 9):
I think the captain is just one of those guys that curses every other word.

Sure he is, but that's not something I would expect from an airline captain...  Sad

Quoting Tu204 (Reply 9):
they are funny but only for a short time.

Yeah, 3 minutes and a half, then he dug a fu**in' hole in the fu**in' terrain  Yeah sure



If God had wanted men to fly he would have given them more money...
User currently offlineEHHO From Bulgaria, joined Dec 2005, 815 posts, RR: 7
Reply 11, posted (7 years 11 months 3 weeks 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 37182 times:

Quoting Levg79 (Reply 6):
By the amount of cursing



Quoting Tu204 (Reply 9):
they are funny but only for a short time

Interesting issue, all that cursing. If I would've allowed myself even a small portion of what that captain said around my Russian-speaking relatives, I would've been stared at and ignored. Which brings me to a point: is that kind of conversation normal on the waves beyond Russia? I seem to remember a row when someone swore without identifying himself, somehwere in the US, and an inquiry was started into the incident. With this captain here, may he rest in peace, it seems he was the kind of guy who always swore, so he must have done it in normal situations as well. Is that really tolerated in Russia?

[Edited 2006-10-05 13:37:32]


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User currently offlineTu204 From Russia, joined Mar 2006, 1228 posts, RR: 17
Reply 12, posted (7 years 11 months 3 weeks 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 37016 times:

Quoting EHHO (Reply 11):
Interesting issue, all that cursing. If I would've allowed myself even a small portion of what that captain said around my Russian-speaking relatives, I would've been stared at and ignored. Which brings me to a point: is that kind of conversation normal on the waves beyond Russia? I seem to remember a row when someone swore without identifying himself, somehwere in the US, and an inquiry was started into the incident. With this captain here, may he rest in peace, it seems he was the kind of guy who always swore, so he must have done it in normal situations as well. Is that really tolerated in Russia?

Not at all. Employers hate it, so do the elderly and anyone who has any children, so it is considered unaceptable in society, well, except with teens but only among the guys, the girls don't like it either but I think with teens that is the same almost anywhere in the world.
And usually the way it is with teens is that they swear amongst each other but when speaking to parents/teachers/people older than them they never swear.
Note that he never cursed when transmitting - he usually got either the trainee or the navigator to transmit messenges for him. Also note that nobody else swore AT ALL during the whole event. I am no phychologist, but I am guessing that this guy, in a position of power, thought of himself as a pretty "big guy" and permitted himself to talk like this.
If he wouldn't have crashed then this transcript would have been extremely funny. The memo that was attached to this transcript by the guys decifering the CVR was: "If he wouldn't have crashed, we could have made a reality TV show by following this guy around with a camera."
In all the sadness of this, it was pretty interesting how he referred to the thunderstorm. Creative indeed.

Quoting CURLYHEADBOY (Reply 10):
Indeed, that's the first thing I thought about when I first red of the accident... they climbed too much for getting clear of the weather... now, I don't know what's the max. operating ceiling for the type, but I'd guess that, if the aircraft was flying close to that altitude, in stormy weather, maybe a little overloaded, the flight envelope should have been quite critical...

He couldn't have been overloaded because he did not refuel in Anapa, he was flying on the fuel that he brought from St.Petersburg but I guess he could have been somewhere near the MTOW when he took off if he had some cargo. But he was over maximum cruise altitude for the aircraft, which is 11800m. But if, as you said, take into account the thunderstorm itself, it could have destabilised the aircraft and sent it into the spin.

Quoting CURLYHEADBOY (Reply 10):
Sure he is, but that's not something I would expect from an airline captain...

Tell me about it



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User currently offlineKellmark From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 693 posts, RR: 8
Reply 13, posted (7 years 11 months 3 weeks 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 36969 times:

Does anyone know if the airline had a flight dispatcher/flight operations officer to warn the crew of the weather ahead and reroute before they got to it?

User currently offlineEDDB From Germany, joined Aug 2006, 244 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (7 years 11 months 3 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 36681 times:

Quoting Tu204 (Reply 12):
But he was over maximum cruise altitude for the aircraft, which is 11800m. But if, as you said, take into account the thunderstorm itself, it could have destabilised the aircraft and sent it into the spin.

That's it! When flying in such a narrow corner of your envelope between your Vmax and your stalling speed at/above your max alt in the vicinity of a TS cell, boy, it only needs a rapid wind change and your out of limits...


User currently offlineCURLYHEADBOY From Italy, joined Feb 2005, 940 posts, RR: 2
Reply 15, posted (7 years 11 months 3 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 36611 times:

Quoting EDDB (Reply 14):
That's it! When flying in such a narrow corner of your envelope between your Vmax and your stalling speed at/above your max alt in the vicinity of a TS cell, boy, it only needs a rapid wind change and your out of limits...

I agree. I was asking myself if the AOA could have played a role into this, i mean, when does a stall put you into a flat spin? Trying to visualize the moment they lost control I can see the aircraft struggling to maintain a FL above its operating ceiling, nose-up. The moment the first wing stalled and dropped, initiating a rotation. No way they could recover.



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User currently offlineSkookum From Canada, joined Jul 2006, 115 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (7 years 11 months 3 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 36399 times:

Quoting EDDB (Reply 14):
When flying in such a narrow corner of your envelope between your Vmax and your stalling speed at/above your max alt

Coffin corner.

Thanks for the translation, Tu204.



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